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Jax
1st December 2018, 01:01 PM
What would forum members consider a suitable sentence if those responsible were found guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-issue-warning-after-thugs-tape-razor-blades-to-childrens-slide/ar-BBQksVz?li=BBoPRmx

Jax

shenstone
1st December 2018, 03:06 PM
I would leave it to the courts to determine what a suitable sentence was.

Clearly there is something horrible here and on the face of it you expect something severe, but there may be a whole picture we don't know about. You never know until you know the whole story

I very much hope that they are caught and the story is properly examined

Regards
Andy

TimP
1st December 2018, 03:54 PM
Isn’t half the problem that the courts are too soft on these sort of scum? Slap on the wrist and a ‘don’t do it again sonny’ seems about it nowadays. What message does that send to anyone? It’s tantamount to saying it’s OK to do it, in the eyes of the scum.
The defending barrister will no doubt plead all the usual codswallop about no father figure, mother on drugs etc, whatever sob story he thinks will soften the judge.
Drive at 35 mph and it’s a whole different story.

OM USer
1st December 2018, 04:43 PM
There is clearly no deterrent that is proving effective.

wornish
1st December 2018, 04:49 PM
As Cressida Dick said this week the Police have to put the fear back into being a criminal.
Actions should have consequences. If they are under 16 then the parents should be charged.

TimP
1st December 2018, 04:55 PM
As Cressida Dick said this week the Police have to put the fear back into being a criminal.
Actions should have consequences. If they are under 16 then the parents should be charged.

Wonder if that could be extended to ‘if they are living at home’ no matter what age (within reason obviously!)

Jim Ford
1st December 2018, 06:22 PM
Fortunately 'sellotape' takes fingerprints quite nicely.

Jim

Jax
1st December 2018, 06:47 PM
I would leave it to the courts to determine what a suitable sentence was.

Leaving it to the courts is precisely why the person stood behind you at the Tesco's checkout could have 60 previous convictions including theft, robbery, mugging GBH etc. and still be walking our streets. It is also the reason why thugs have no respect or fear of our laws or any part of our legal system.

Clearly there is something horrible here and on the face of it you expect something severe, but there may be a whole picture we don't know about

What possible picture, scenario or excuse could there possibly be for sticking razor blades on children's playground equipment ?

Jax

Internaut
1st December 2018, 07:15 PM
Isn’t half the problem that the courts are too soft on these sort of scum? Slap on the wrist and a ‘don’t do it again sonny’ seems about it nowadays. What message does that send to anyone? It’s tantamount to saying it’s OK to do it, in the eyes of the scum.
The defending barrister will no doubt plead all the usual codswallop about no father figure, mother on drugs etc, whatever sob story he thinks will soften the judge.
Drive at 35 mph and it’s a whole different story.

The problem is that these people aren’t getting caught because there aren’t enough police because crime doesn’t affect those currently in power or those they actually represent. We had a period of being “tough on crime; tough on the causes of crime” and the police were properly funded, supported and had the numbers. Guess what? Crime went down.

Wally
1st December 2018, 09:59 PM
One that worries me is that peoople will start taking the law into their own hands and by doing so, will more than likely be the ones who get punished. A win win for the toe-rags who will probable gain monetary damages. If crime doesn't pay, then why the 'eck is it becoming more and more prevalent and in your face?

Zuiko
1st December 2018, 10:19 PM
The problem is that these people aren’t getting caught because there aren’t enough police because crime doesn’t affect those currently in power or those they actually represent. We had a period of being “tough on crime; tough on the causes of crime” and the police were properly funded, supported and had the numbers. Guess what? Crime went down.

Install CCTV in all playgrounds. It works well in bus lanes in Cheltenham, catching me twice in one weekend with fines totalling £60.00. What a welcome for a stranger in town!

Regarding the culprits in this story, why not make them use the slide, if the police can be bothered to investigate a non-motoring offence.

Jim Ford
1st December 2018, 10:41 PM
The problem is that these people aren’t getting caught because there aren’t enough police because crime doesn’t affect those currently in power or those they actually represent.

I agree 100%. The tendency of many of the rich and powerful is to live in gated communities or hire private security. The rest of us have to make do with inadequate policing.

Jim

Naughty Nigel
1st December 2018, 10:48 PM
It sounds more like a mental health issue or possibly some form of hate crime.

Whatever the explanation the perpetrator(s) shouldn't be free to walk the streets for a very long time.

I agree with Cressida Dick. The fear needs to be put back into policing, and also into visits to the Head teacher's office. Speaking as one who received a few strokes of the Head Master's cane (I wasn't always a good boy) I can tell you than it was a much more effective deterrent that a few after school detentions. *yes

TimP
2nd December 2018, 07:47 AM
Install CCTV in all playgrounds.

That will no doubt contravene some child protection laws! We must think of the children (sigh)

Jax
2nd December 2018, 10:39 AM
Speaking as one who received a few strokes of the Head Master's cane (I wasn't always a good boy) I can tell you than it was a much more effective deterrent that a few after school detentions. *yes

Given todays compensation mentality, you could probably make a successful claim against the Education Dept for many years of mental anguish and depression, suffered as a result of being caned. :D

Jax

Wee man
2nd December 2018, 10:59 AM
Cheltenham strikes again! Visited in September then on returning home got a letter asking for thirty pounds for a bus lane infringement. It has made me think of not visiting with a car again. As a visitor I was having enough trouble working out how to get through traffic and did not see the signs which I am sure are there.
Sensible enforced penalties for other offences might also be what is needed. Cries of over full prisons seems to result in lesser sentences and early release.
Victims seem to be forgotten when it comes to rights and treatment of the perpetrators of crime?


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Jim Ford
2nd December 2018, 11:37 AM
Given todays compensation mentality, you could probably make a successful claim against the Education Dept for many years of mental anguish and depression, suffered as a result of being caned. :D

There's a balance. Children's ears were damaged in the days of boxing ears.
I remember at primary school being hit on the hand with a double sided hacksaw blade. AIRC the teeth were still on it. Fortunately I wasn't injured.

Jim

DerekW
2nd December 2018, 11:57 AM
Board rubbers were a good weapon for child control. The chalk dust loaded felt would leave a mark of dust on the youth. It was something the teachers coud point to when observing the inmates in the playground when they were counting up their scores for the day.

On one occasion the teachers finger nail removed a part of the kids hair and roots leaving a bald spot. This occured during an intensive learning session ie knocking the information into the students skull.

Naughty Nigel
2nd December 2018, 12:18 PM
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Zuiko
2nd December 2018, 12:22 PM
Cheltenham strikes again! Visited in September then on returning home got a letter asking for thirty pounds for a bus lane infringement. It has made me think of not visiting with a car again. As a visitor I was having enough trouble working out how to get through traffic and did not see the signs which I am sure are there.
Sensible enforced penalties for other offences might also be what is needed. Cries of over full prisons seems to result in lesser sentences and early release.
Victims seem to be forgotten when it comes to rights and treatment of the perpetrators of crime?


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Ed, sounds like your experience of Cheltenham was exactly like my own. Poisonous little town! :mad:

Naughty Nigel
2nd December 2018, 12:28 PM
Ed, sounds like your experience of Cheltenham was exactly like my own. Poisonous little town! :mad:

You should come to Newcastle. The bus lane in the road past Central Station is one of the biggest earners in the country. IIRC Newcastle City Council issued something like 64,000 tickets in the first month of operation.

Just to make you feel better (and to confuse things further) white vans are allowed to use bus lanes in Newcastle, so if you make the mistake of following one (if you can keep up) you will receive a ticket!

The city council hates car drivers with a vengeance, and really doesn't want them driving into the city and spending their money in the shops. Plus it helps to keep them onside with the transport unions. :rolleyes:

Wally
2nd December 2018, 12:58 PM
:mad: I see the 'numpties' have been at it again. This time, slaughtering a whole family of swans in Kent by being peppered with pellets? --> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46418054

I believe these birds are protected under the Queen? If so, it will be interesting to see what the outcome for the perps will be should they ever get caught? If the puishment is to fit the crime, I'd volunteer to join the firing squad. *yes

TimP
2nd December 2018, 01:10 PM
:mad: I see the 'numpties' have been at it again. This time, slaughtering a whole family of swans in Kent by being peppered with pellets? I believe these birds are protected under the Queen? If so, it will be interesting to see what the outcome for the perps will be should they ever get caught? If the puishment is to fit the crime, I'd volunteer to join the firing squad. *yes

Count me in too. Mouth breathing oxygen thieves.

Jim Ford
2nd December 2018, 02:40 PM
I suspect that the police will view this as low level, low priority crime and won't commit many resources to solve it.

Jim

Naughty Nigel
2nd December 2018, 03:04 PM
:mad: I see the 'numpties' have been at it again. This time, slaughtering a whole family of swans in Kent by being peppered with pellets? --> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46418054

I believe these birds are protected under the Queen? If so, it will be interesting to see what the outcome for the perps will be should they ever get caught? If the puishment is to fit the crime, I'd volunteer to join the firing squad. *yes

As the swans belong to the Crown could this not be Treason?

I would happily pull the lever.

TimP
2nd December 2018, 04:50 PM
I think them belonging to the Queen is a bit of a myth and possibly only applies to a specific few swans in a particular place, BICBW.

Harold Gough
3rd December 2018, 07:43 AM
Fortunately 'sellotape' takes fingerprints quite nicely.

Jim

And you can't get it off the reel with gloved hands.

Harold

Naughty Nigel
3rd December 2018, 08:54 AM
We have had a spate of break ins locally to steal car keys for 'high end' cars. It seems the thieves are known to the police and have travelled some distance.

Our daughter is at university in Shropshire. A number of students there own Land Rovers and there is a regular problem with organised criminals travelling out from Birmingham to steal the vehicles, or more often, parts from them.

It seems the ending of production of the Land Rover Defender a few years ago has created something of a rarity value so used parts in particular are now in high demand.

Jax
3rd December 2018, 12:18 PM
The reason most often voiced for our courts not handing out realistic custodial sentences that fit the crime is, there is no room in our prisons.

I'm sure it would be possible to form an agreement with Asian, Eastern or any other country needing additional revenue to incarcerate these scum on our behalf.

Serving time in a Bangkok jail might serve as a more effective deterrent than spending time in our prisons that seem to resemble a 2 star hotel. The overall costings would probably be a lot cheaper compared to incarceration in the UK.

Maybe after Brexit :D

Jax

Internaut
3rd December 2018, 01:06 PM
The reason most often voiced for our courts not handing out realistic custodial sentences that fit the crime is, there is no room in our prisons.

I'm sure it would be possible to form an agreement with Asian, Eastern or any other country needing additional revenue to incarcerate these scum on our behalf.

Serving time in a Bangkok jail might serve as a more effective deterrent than spending time in our prisons that seem to resemble a 2 star hotel. The overall costings would probably be a lot cheaper compared to incarceration in the UK.

Maybe after Brexit :D

Jax

The reason there is no room in prisons is because a lot of innapropriate incarceration goes on. You’re more likely to get a custodial sentence for hacking than for a violent crime. I find it a little scary that (notwithstanding the executions), the state of Texas has a more progressive approach to incarceration than the U.K. (and they’re reducing crime and saving money).