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Ricoh
12th November 2018, 08:48 AM
i thought it quite disrespectful of Mr Corbyn to wear a casual looking anorak, complete with hood at the cenotaph yesterday. Whilst almost every other public figure not in uniform wore somber black overcoats, it looked as though Mr Corbyn had kitted himself at Millets.

It appears he's getting some stick on the news, and in some of the papers.

drmarkf
12th November 2018, 09:42 AM
Yeah, well.

Our gloriously independent press would castigate him if he'd turned up in full military kit with medals (if he'd been qualified to wear them). Similarly, Teresa May is always portrayed as gawky and awkward and Boris as hanging from a zipwire by the 'other side'.

We can live in echo chambers and can let ourselves be influenced by all this relentless propaganda bullsh1t, or we can try to maintain some personal intelligence and integrity. Everyone's choice, eh.

Gate Keeper
12th November 2018, 09:55 AM
i thought it quite disrespectful of Mr Corbyn to wear a casual looking anorak, complete with hood at the cenotaph yesterday. Whilst almost every other public figure not in uniform wore somber black overcoats, it looked as though Mr Corbyn had kitted himself at Millets.

It appears he's getting some stick on the news, and in some of the papers.

On the other hand, maybe he is a bit hard up. My Brother-In-Law flew in from Nairobi to remember them and he joined in the parade as he was a former Guards Officer. KLM lost his luggage, but he was able to borrow a black coat, bowler hat and an umbrella. Very smart he looked.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/GateKeeper_/there%20there/497F2CC3-DFFB-45D9-88FF-ECBD6AFE5FDE.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/GateKeeper_/media/there%20there/497F2CC3-DFFB-45D9-88FF-ECBD6AFE5FDE.jpg.html)

DerekW
12th November 2018, 09:57 AM
However there are certain occasions that are not party political or opportunities to express individualism where one goes with the flow so as to not stand out or be an individual.

The Rememberance Day service at the Cenotaph is perhaps the one occasion where to be inconspicuous and part of the herd is definitely the order of the day. He could have hired the appropriate rig for the weekend.

One would have thought that Michael Foot's donkey jacket in 1981 would have been written into the Labour Party rule book as a definite no no.

If a leader cannot understand when being a rebel is not making a point but exhibiting ignorance then the person is not a potential national leader.

Jim Ford
12th November 2018, 10:03 AM
Pretty brave of him considering the 'stick' Michael Foot got when he attended wearing an anorak.

I guess he was disrespectful of the sensibilities of the others attending the event, including leaders who are doing little to end the ongoing conflicts in the World, including Syria and Yemen, and for whom the event is a sop to their consciences. Nov 12th - job done, now lets get on and clinch the latest arms deal with the Saudis.

I consider the event as little more than theatre. The families and soldiers that lost relatives a friends will continue to remember the 'fallen' (what a delicate and tasteful way of putting it for those that were ripped to pieces by shells, drowned in mud and riddled with machine gun bullets!), and that's what really counts.

Amongst those carrying photos I would have like to have seen prints of Otto Dix's illustrations of WW1 and the aftermath. They are by far the 'best' depictions of the horrors of the war I've met and every politician ought to have a photoframe on their desk scrolling through his illustrations to remind them.

Jim

Pistnbroke
12th November 2018, 03:14 PM
I saw him in the news on Monday on a lift on the south coast ..same anorack.
What a pratt.

Zuiko
12th November 2018, 03:32 PM
At least he managed to get there, which is something I believe a certain Mr Trump had difficulties with.

TimP
12th November 2018, 04:07 PM
It wouldn’t have been quite so bad if the hood had been sitting properly. A decent sized poppy wouldn’t have gone amiss either. Shoes needed a clean and his trousers were far too long. Disrespectful Marxist tramp basically.
The Trump thing too was unbelievable, Commander Bone Spurs obviously didn’t get that he was there to commemorate soldiers who died in far worse conditions than a bit of rain. The man is an utter disgrace.

Jim Ford
12th November 2018, 04:27 PM
I saw him in the news on Monday on a lift on the south coast ..same anorack.
What a pratt.

Why, because he was wearing an anorak on the South Coast?

Jim

Jim Ford
12th November 2018, 04:31 PM
The Trump thing too was unbelievable, Commander Bone Spurs obviously didnít get that he was there to commemorate soldiers who died in far worse conditions than a bit of rain. The man is an utter disgrace.

I'm surprised that he wasn't wearing the Purple Heart medal that a veteran had given him. How many times did he dodge the draft - somewhere around five times IIRC.

Jim

drmarkf
12th November 2018, 04:50 PM
>> Commander Bone Spurs <<

Love it *chr

TimP
12th November 2018, 04:53 PM
I'm surprised that he wasn't wearing the Purple Heart medal that a veteran had given him. How many times did he dodge the draft - somewhere around five times IIRC.

Jim

Yes, I think it was 5 times.

I expect Corbyns got one of those long sausage things at the bottom of the door to dodge the draft.

Tram
12th November 2018, 05:20 PM
I don't go to funerals all in Black, don't even own a suit or tie and never have.
Does that mean I care less, of course not, shouldn't be judged by your clothes.

My father fought throughout WW2, wouldn't buy a poppy though.
He objected to the low wages the disabled ex-servicemen making them received.
Reckon he earned the right to choose so think carefully before you condemn others

TimP
12th November 2018, 05:26 PM
Reckon he earned the right to choose so think carefully before you condemn others

Sorry, have to disagree, someone of Corbyns standing should show some respect, itís not all about him. If the rest of Ďem can manage it then itís the least he should do (in his position)

Wally
12th November 2018, 06:14 PM
He's been watching way too much Star Trek. His apparel is known as The Corbynmite Maneuver. ;)

If, however, I was of a suspicious mind, It could be construed as another attemp to get yet another 15' of fame by being splashed about all over the media... for all thr wrong reasons, yet again. *yes

Tram
12th November 2018, 06:39 PM
Sorry, have to disagree, someone of Corbyns standing should show some respect, itís not all about him. If the rest of Ďem can manage it then itís the least he should do (in his position)

I was talking about my dad's decision not to wear a poppy

TimP
12th November 2018, 07:57 PM
I was talking about my dad's decision not to wear a poppy

No problem with that whatsoever, surely the ability to do that is part of what was fought for.

Jim Ford
13th November 2018, 09:28 AM
It could have been worse!

http://newsthump.com/2018/11/12/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-attending-remembrance-day-service-in-his-pyjamas/

I liked the doctored image (it was doctored, wasn't it?).

Jim

drmarkf
13th November 2018, 09:56 AM
It could have been worse!

http://newsthump.com/2018/11/12/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-attending-remembrance-day-service-in-his-pyjamas/

I liked the doctored image (it was doctored, wasn't it?).

Jim

Well, the Guardian and Independent said it was doctored, the Mail & Telegraph swore it was reality, the Socialist Worker said they werenít pajamas but actually inmate fatigues from an Israeli internment camp for Palestinians, while the Blackpool Daily News suffered a small explosion and fire in the editorial department from the angry, apoplectic hammering on the keyboards...

Gate Keeper
13th November 2018, 11:00 AM
Well, the Guardian and Independent said it was doctored, the Mail & Telegraph swore it was reality, the Socialist Worker said they weren’t pajamas but actually inmate fatigues from an Israeli internment camp for Palestinians, while the Blackpool Daily News suffered a small explosion and fire in the editorial department from the angry, apoplectic hammering on the keyboards...

The thing is that some people will believe what they read in the newspapers. I looked at the photo and thought his image in prison overalls entertaining. Yes - a fake. But its useful fodder to feed to Mr Corbyn’s enemies who might be reading the Mail and The Telegraph.

TimP
13th November 2018, 11:04 AM
I don’t seriously believe that anyone, anyone at all, would see that picture and not realise it’s a comedy fake?? Are there really people that stupid out there? Are they breeding?

Actually I think I know the answer. Sigh!

Jim Ford
13th November 2018, 11:06 AM
Mail and Telegraph readers don't need feeding. Their febrile imaginations provide them with more than enough material to damn Corbyn.

Jim

Naughty Nigel
13th November 2018, 11:06 AM
The thing is that some people will believe what they read in the newspapers. I looked at the photo and thought his image in prison overalls entertaining. Yes - a fake. But its useful fodder to feed to Mr Corbynís enemies who might be reading the Mail and The Telegraph.

I thought the prison outfit would be better suited to our previous MP (and PM) when he has been to the Hague.

Lest we forget, he was also a Labour leader.

Gate Keeper
13th November 2018, 12:08 PM
I thought the prison outfit would be better suited to our previous MP (and PM) when he has been to the Hague.

Lest we forget, he was also a Labour leader.

Corbyn wearing an anorak was a distraction from the other issues such as what else was going on at the Cenotaph. Do you think Blair will get to The Hague and be tried for war crimes?

Naughty Nigel
13th November 2018, 12:11 PM
Mail and Telegraph readers don't need feeding. Their febrile imaginations provide them with more than enough material to damn Corbyn.

Jim

Equally the Mirror and Grauniad on the other side.

Naughty Nigel
13th November 2018, 12:12 PM
I donít seriously believe that anyone, anyone at all, would see that picture and not realise itís a comedy fake?? Are there really people that stupid out there? Are they breeding?

Actually I think I know the answer. Sigh!

Sadly yes. :(

Naughty Nigel
13th November 2018, 12:14 PM
Yeah, well.

Our gloriously independent press would castigate him if he'd turned up in full military kit with medals ......

That would be hilarious, and ironic at the same time.

Naughty Nigel
13th November 2018, 12:19 PM
However there are certain occasions that are not party political or opportunities to express individualism where one goes with the flow so as to not stand out or be an individual.

The Rememberance Day service at the Cenotaph is perhaps the one occasion where to be inconspicuous and part of the herd is definitely the order of the day. He could have hired the appropriate rig for the weekend.

One would have thought that Michael Foot's donkey jacket in 1981 would have been written into the Labour Party rule book as a definite no no.

If a leader cannot understand when being a rebel is not making a point but exhibiting ignorance then the person is not a potential national leader.

Exactly. Would we be happy if an undertaker wore an anorak or jeans an a Tee shirt?

Corbyn's attire on this and previous occasions suggests that he really doesn't care and that he had put no thought whatsoever into the occasion.

If he really cared he could have bought a black coat from M&S, kept the receipt and taken it back on Monday morning.

Darkroom
13th November 2018, 12:32 PM
That would be hilarious, and ironic at the same time.

He would have plenty of medals to choose from *yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders,_decorations,_and_medals_of_Russia


Darkroom

TimP
13th November 2018, 01:00 PM
Do you think Blair will get to The Hague and be tried for war crimes?

Of course he wonít! No more than GWB will. Warmongering aside, GWB looks quite capable compared to the current incumbent of the WH.

Gate Keeper
13th November 2018, 04:10 PM
Exactly. Would we be happy if an undertaker wore an anorak or jeans an a Tee shirt?

Corbyn's attire on this and previous occasions suggests that he really doesn't care and that he had put no thought whatsoever into the occasion.

If he really cared he could have bought a black coat from M&S, kept the receipt and taken it back on Monday morning.

I am quite sure it was deliberate on his part. He knew it would upset the half glass empty brigade and he was making a statement to the establishment, to the snobs, he will never change. That is how it is. I am not excusing him for doing it, as it is something I would never do. I keep 2 long coats for these occasions and see it as a mark of respect. But we are all different in our views. It could be argued that those who died or fought in the wars, were also fighting for freedom, free speech, freedom of choice, freedom from tyranny....would they have cared if someone wears a cashmere coat or an anorak? I think not, but what do I know?

Ricoh
13th November 2018, 04:29 PM
Do you remember when comrade Jeremy became leader of the Labour Party (another reminder to his fellow MPs and to the 'Party Delegates' to be careful for what you wish) he sat on the opposition benches wearing a sports jacket (and trousers, of course, finished off with open toe sandals, one would imagine) no tie but a 'ban the bomb' and a Robertson's enamel badge, popular in the 60's and 70's).

Up the revolution, brother (yeah, right up).

Jax
13th November 2018, 04:58 PM
I am quite sure it was deliberate on his part. He knew it would upset the half glass empty brigade and he was making a statement to the establishment, to the snobs, he will never change. That is how it is. I am not excusing him for doing it, as it is something I would never do. I keep 2 long coats for these occasions and see it as a mark of respect. But we are all different in our views. It could be argued that those who died or fought in the wars, were also fighting for freedom, free speech, freedom of choice, freedom from tyranny....would they have cared if someone wears a cashmere coat or an anorak? I think not, but what do I know?

Shouldn't that be "Glass Half Empty" ?

So, the establishment are "snobs" because they choose to be well dressed on such occasions, yet you keep 2 long coats for the same sort of occasion. You also comment on how smart your brother appeared to be in his borrowed dark long coat and even traveled from Nairobi to attend. Surely that implies contradiction or also an element of snobbery on your part.

I totally agree with Tram's previous comment. Whilst I am anything but a Corbyn fan, my own opinion is that providing a person is reasonably clean and smart, acts respectfully, what he or she wears is a matter of personal taste and should not be the concern of the media or anyone else for that matter. The main consideration should be they showed respect for the occasion by taking the trouble to attend. Thousands of the general public also showed respect by walking in the procession and they were wearing a wide variation in clothing. Whatever Corbyn wore or did on the day would have attracted comment from the media, he was in a no-win situation.

Hang on, lets hope he remains in a no-win situation for a long time to come but not because of how he chooses to dress. *yes

Jax

Gate Keeper
13th November 2018, 09:12 PM
Do you remember when comrade Jeremy became leader of the Labour Party (another reminder to his fellow MPs and to the 'Party Delegates' to be careful for what you wish) he sat on the opposition benches wearing a sports jacket (and trousers, of course, finished off with open toe sandals, one would imagine) no tie but a 'ban the bomb' and a Robertson's enamel badge, popular in the 60's and 70's).

Up the revolution, brother (yeah, right up).

For sure and he would be proud. Interestingly, one of his pursuits is ďDrain SpottingĒ and he has photographed many drains and manhole covers across the UK. Married 3 times - he also had a relationship with Diane Abott .... what a guy :D :D

TimP
13th November 2018, 09:18 PM
...he also had a relationship with Diane Abott .... what a guy :D :D

Dear god! Thatís an image that will take a while to fade...aaarrrggghhh.

MJ224
13th November 2018, 09:25 PM
Certainly no fan of Jeremy, and have not seen the photo. Personally, I would judge him by his attendance rather than his apparel. His appearance would not adhere me to him, but would not hound him to the ground about it. Everyone to their own...ÖÖ..Within reason of course...ÖÖ...*chr

wornish
13th November 2018, 10:06 PM
He could have at least cleaned his shoes. He purposely was trying to make a political point, like Michael Foot did. ( that worked well for him - Not).

Respect. is what was required not political point scoring, especially on of all dates the 100th anniversary. He ignored the fact that people gave their lives for the freedoms, that he and all of us lucky enough to be alive, enjoy today.

DerekW
13th November 2018, 11:09 PM
The famed anorak he wore at the parade is the same one he was seen in riding his cycle from home and turning left at a Tee junction the wrongway into a one way street.

Rebecca
13th November 2018, 11:18 PM
The famed anorak he wore at the parade is the same one he was seen in riding his cycle from home and turning left at a Tee junction the wrongway into a one way street.


Hang on a minute Derek ! He was riding a bike and as most people know, road signs, white lines, traffic lights etc. etc. don't apply to cyclists. :)

Rebecca

Ricoh
13th November 2018, 11:33 PM
I've watched Corbyn attempting to sing God Save the Queen in a half half hearted manner, almost as if he doesn't know the words, or worse still. So seeing him dressed so slovenly at the cenotaph doesn't surprise me at all.

DerekW
14th November 2018, 09:08 AM
Rebecca - I will call you as an expert witness for my defence next time I am hauled into court for walking on the wrong side of the pavement <g>

Keith-369
14th November 2018, 11:24 AM
Hang on a minute Derek ! He was riding a bike and as most people know, road signs, white lines, traffic lights etc. etc. don't apply to cyclists. :)

Rebecca

And when an accident occurs, it's always the motorist that's wrong because he went through a traffic light on green, or kept to his lane, or even just proceeded normally in a straight line. Oh and after the accident, the local council spend lots of money trying to make our roads safer for said cyclists.

Yes, I know cyclists are not all total idiots .... but many are. *chr

Rocknroll59
14th November 2018, 06:38 PM
Well at least he turned up, but as my wife studies body language he def didn't want to be there..!!

Peter :D:D

Zuiko
14th November 2018, 07:36 PM
Yes, I know cyclists are not all total idiots .... but many are. *chr

And it's no coincidence that many cyclists are also motorists..... :D

Zuiko
14th November 2018, 07:41 PM
political point scoring



A concept that I'm sure is unfamiliar to the members of this forum and the participants in this thread. :D

wornish
14th November 2018, 10:00 PM
Well at least he turned up, but as my wife studies body language he def didn't want to be there..!!

Peter :D:D

Exactly right.

Corbyn doesn't give a diddly squat.

alfbranch
14th November 2018, 11:41 PM
I stood at our town war memorial in anorak as did about 70 members of my Scout Group.


I suppose I am to be condemned too?

Gate Keeper
15th November 2018, 12:32 AM
I stood at our town war memorial in anorak as did about 70 members of my Scout Group.


I suppose I am to be condemned too?

A strong and valid point which I respect.

wornish
15th November 2018, 07:31 AM
I stood at our town war memorial in anorak as did about 70 members of my Scout Group.


I suppose I am to be condemned too?

Of course not. You are not trying to be our next prime Minister and leader of our country as far as I am aware.

Do we expect our soldiers to wear a uniform when on parade ?

TimP
15th November 2018, 08:12 AM
I stood at our town war memorial in anorak as did about 70 members of my Scout Group.


I suppose I am to be condemned too?

Not at all. However you werenít on national TV, representing your political party and by extension the kind of working man that died by the million in WW1.

Did you and your Scouts all wear uniform?

Zuiko
15th November 2018, 08:37 AM
I stood at our town war memorial in anorak as did about 70 members of my Scout Group.


I suppose I am to be condemned too?

No, because your name isn't Jeremy Corbyn and people don't try to discredit you in every possible way.

TimP
15th November 2018, 08:42 AM
No, because your name isn't Jeremy Corbyn and people don't try to discredit you in every possible way.

Donít you think JC does a pretty good job of discrediting himself all by himself?

The Cenotaph is a classic example of exactly that. You can hardly blame people for how he turned up.

alfbranch
15th November 2018, 09:29 AM
Of course not. You are not trying to be our next prime Minister and leader of our country as far as I am aware.

Do we expect our soldiers to wear a uniform when on parade ?Not at all. However you werenít on national TV, representing your political party and by extension the kind of working man that died by the million in WW1.

Did you and your Scouts all wear uniform?No, because your name isn't Jeremy Corbyn and people don't try to discredit you in every possible way.
Well we usually parade in uniform but as this Northwest England it pouring with rain and we would have been soaked through in minutes.

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Naughty Nigel
15th November 2018, 10:25 AM
I asked the question "Would we be happy if an undertaker wore an anorak or jeans an a Tee shirt?" Nobody has yet offered a cogent reply.

My point was and is that whatever Corbyn's views he is expected to attend the Cenotaph in his professional capacity. He is not an unpaid volunteer Scout leader.

Attending the annual Remembrance parade goes with his job, and whether he likes it or not he should fulfil that duty with the utmost professionalism. What part of that duty did he not understand when he put himself up for the job?

If he doesn't like the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

TimP
15th November 2018, 11:11 AM
I asked the question "Would we be happy if an undertaker wore an anorak or jeans an a Tee shirt?" Nobody has yet offered a cogent reply.

My point was and is that whatever Corbyn's views he is expected to attend the Cenotaph in his professional capacity. He is not an unpaid volunteer Scout leader.

Attending the annual Remembrance parade goes with his job, and whether he likes it or not he should fulfil that duty with the utmost professionalism. What part of that duty did he not understand when he put himself up for the job?

If he doesn't like the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

Undertaker? Surely it would depend on the wishes of the departed and / or their family, similarly the mourners. Nowadays funerals (burnings or burials) are sometimes held in bright clothes which is absolutely fine. I would personally probably expect the undertakers etc to be in Ďproperí dark attire if only for some sort of cohesive look. Can you imagine if they all went casual, it would be terrible! Mourners would be fine in some peoples views, Iím undecided.

Agree on Corbyn, itís his job and duty, like it or lump it comrade.