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drmarkf
19th April 2017, 10:12 AM
Looks potentially interesting, especially at around 250g lighter than the Oly 7-14 f2.8:

http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-g-lenses/h-e08018e.html

It takes screw-in filters, too.

pdk42
19th April 2017, 11:09 AM
If this is purple flare free on Olympus bodies, then I'm very interested.

drmarkf
19th April 2017, 11:21 AM
Yeah, but I'll wait for a few reviews from reliable sources first.

CJJE
19th April 2017, 08:03 PM
It's more compact than the Oly too, but initial prices (WEX are offering it at 1049) seem a bit high to me. Hopefully they'll drop when it becomes available.

Chris

CJJE
27th April 2017, 04:19 PM
First test up at ephotzine (https://www.ephotozine.com/article/panasonic-leica-dg-vario-elmarit-8-18mm-f-2-8-4-asph--review-30889)

Their verdict is:
"The Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 8-18mm f/2.8-4 Asph.*is a pleasure to use, but the greatest pleasure is arguably in the outstanding sharpness, giving a real punch to images. The pleasure extends to enjoying fine engineering as well, because there is the high quality of the construction and finish to enjoy for its own sake.

In summary, a lens that lives up to its Leica tag and should serve very well for many years of use."

I've got it added to the CameraPriceBuster website as well (http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/) so we can watch for the price to hopefully drop as supplies ramp up - as opposed to rise as the pound continues its descent to parity with the Euro and the dollar!

Chris

CJJE
24th May 2017, 09:32 PM
Mirrorless Comparisons (http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/) have now tested the 8-18 against both the Olympus 7-14 and the Lumix 7-14.

Interestingly they see little benefit over the Lumix lens (which I already own) unless the extra zoom range or aperture is really essential to you. So it's looking like this would be an extravagant purchase for anyone who already owns a wide-angle zoom.

Chris

pdk42
24th May 2017, 10:07 PM
Mirrorless Comparisons (http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/) have now tested the 8-18 against both the Olympus 7-14 and the Lumix 7-14.

Interestingly they see little benefit over the Lumix lens (which I already own) unless the extra zoom range or aperture is really essential to you. So it's looking like this would be an extravagant purchase for anyone who already owns a wide-angle zoom.

Chris
Nice enough review, but I'm amazed given Mathieu's u43 experience that he didn't ask the obvious question - "does the new lens produce purple blob flare on Olympus bodies like the Lumix 7-14"?

If it does then there is already a sound reason to buy it. Then there's other attributes such as weather sealing and ability to take filters that might make it less than an extravagant purchase.

Zuiko
25th May 2017, 05:03 AM
Nice enough review, but I'm amazed given Mathieu's u43 experience that he didn't ask the obvious question - "does the new lens produce purple blob flare on Olympus bodies like the Lumix 7-14"?

If it does then there is already a sound reason to buy it. Then there's other attributes such as weather sealing and ability to take filters that might make it less than an extravagant purchase.

Paul, did you mean "if it doesn't?"

pdk42
25th May 2017, 07:42 AM
Paul, did you mean "if it doesn't?"

Err, yes John - sorry, got confused by my own convoluted logic!

Sootchucker
5th June 2017, 07:14 AM
I'm also interested in this. I do like my Olympus 7-14 F2.8 pro, but it's a pain to use filters on as I have to use my Lee 100mm system (and a special adapter), whereas all my other lenses can comfortably use my much smaller Seven5 system.

Also, my copy (don't know if it's all copies), seem to suffer from quite severe field curvature, meaning you have to be really careful where you focus in the image to retain front / back sharpness (even at 7mm and F8 !). Finally there's the bulbous front element which I always worry about scratching or putting a fingerprint on, as it's so exposed.

The size and weight advantages of the new Panny 8-18mm don't really concern me as I don't think the Olympus lens for what it offer's is really that big or heavy, but then neither does the loss of 1mm on the wide end or the constant F2.8 aperture.

The only thing that's currently stopping me from putting a pre-order in for the Panny lens is a) Price - at over 1k at launch it's already over 100 more than a brand new wider and faster Olympus lens, and b) (the biggie), as some have mentioned, I need to see if the purple blobbing issue that affected my original Panasonic 7-14 F4 lens is still there or not. It's the only reason I move the original Panny lens on and purchased the Olympus version in the first place (otherwise I'd still have it) !

pdk42
5th June 2017, 07:26 AM
The only thing that's currently stopping me from putting a pre-order in for the Panny lens is a) Price - at over 1k at launch it's already over 100 more than a brand new wider and faster Olympus lens, and b) (the biggie), as some have mentioned, I need to see if the purple blobbing issue that affected my original Panasonic 7-14 F4 lens is still there or not. It's the only reason I move the original Panny lens on and purchased the Olympus version in the first place (otherwise I'd still have it) !

I feel much the same. 1k for an 8-18mm variable aperture f4 lens really is OTT. The Canon FF 17-40 f4 L (also weather sealed) is less than half the price. I understand that there are R&D costs to recover but a 100% premium really is pushing the boat out. Even the stellar 42.5mm f1.2 Nocticron can be found for under 900.

I currently have the Panasonic 7-14 and it's a nice lens, apart from the purple flare/blob issue. I've fitted the rear filter mod which is very effective, but the gels are fragile and need occasional replacement - which given they are very hard to find - is a long term problem that will probably force me to switch at some point. Maybe by then the 8-18 will have dropped to more sensible levels - 750 sounds a more reasonable price in my view.

Sootchucker
5th June 2017, 07:42 AM
Totally agree with everything you said Paul.

angelpaaul
5th June 2017, 08:18 AM
Sorry, but could you explain/show the 'purple blob flare', please.

Sootchucker
5th June 2017, 08:27 AM
Here's one that I think pretty well shows it (just under the arches in the middle)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4234/34299411913_8b3ff5c4a7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UfVsbV)

drmarkf
5th June 2017, 08:36 AM
It's related to an interaction between the optical design of the Panny 7-14 and most (?all) Olympus sensors - others I'm sure can provide the physical background. It results in purple blobs of flare around high intensity areas of light. You can see them in the VF if you know what to look for, and in many cases you can tweak the alignment of the camera to avoid or minimise them.

They are irritating though, and prompted me to switch to the irritatingly larger, heavier and more expensive 7-14 f2.8 Olympus Pro, which is just slightly better optically apart from the blobs (in my experience).

I'd really like a small, light ultra wide Pro lens for m4/3, and f4 would be fine for landscapes (although an optically-excellent f2.8 or 2 prime would also open up a lot of astrophotography to the system).

CJJE
25th October 2017, 11:20 AM
Mathers of Lancashire are now selling the lens for 995, and Panasonic are giving you a 100 cashback too, so I'm biting the bullet now! I should be able to get around 450 for my mint Panasonic 7-14mm from Ffordes, so the net cost seems pretty reasonable for the longer reach and wider aperture on the new lens. (And I've never noticed any purple blobs when using the old lens on my E-M1 so I probably don't get into situations where they appear?)

Chris

Sootchucker
25th October 2017, 12:05 PM
Had mine since late June - cracking lens and goes well with the EM1 MK II

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4083/35652108251_e1fa31bce4_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4211/35614369332_846d3c3d34_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Wg7Xdy)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4315/35802714780_acf618b63f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WxLgKS)

RobEW
25th October 2017, 12:26 PM
Incidentally no-one's mentioned the excellent (SHG) Four Thirds 7-14 f/4.0

alfbranch
1st January 2018, 09:26 PM
Well I now have of these lenses as the 7-14 f2.8 does not fit with my techniques as filters are impostant to me. I use the 9-18mm regularly. Now I have this I am not sure of the 9-18mm's fate yet.

Some of my first shots with this

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4645/25543450858_2c373fde5a_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EVbS29)Wasdale afternoon light 1 (https://flic.kr/p/EVbS29) by Alf Branch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32457074@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/24547457117_f181eaaf01_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Dpb8Mg)Wasdale afternoon light 2 (https://flic.kr/p/Dpb8Mg) by Alf Branch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32457074@N07/), on Flickr

pdk42
1st January 2018, 09:41 PM
I'd be really interested in your overall thoughts Alf. I'm quite tempted by this lens, but now that I've made my peace with the rear filter holder and gel UV filter I'm getting mostly satisfying results with the Panasonic 7-14. However, it is probably my most used lens and there are still some issues in my mind:

- It flares badly when shooting directly into the sun.

- It's terrible at sun-stars

- Fitting ND or polarising filters is still a pain.

- It's not weather sealed - there have been a few times when I've had to retreat due to rain.

Regarding flaring and sun-stars, do you have any observations from your usage so far?

alfbranch
1st January 2018, 10:02 PM
I will give you somemore thoughts when I have my filter set up fitted.

Its nice to use not too big. Here is a shot at 8mm and f8 minor PP in LR to control the highlights and no added sharpening

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4646/39406767832_eb7d6cd4a3_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/233eZaA)Lens test (https://flic.kr/p/233eZaA) by Alf Branch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32457074@N07/), on Flickr

IainMacD
1st January 2018, 11:16 PM
I too have acquired this lens (thank you Santa) and am very happy indeed. It feels very well built, roughly the same size as the 12-40 but lighter, screw on filters (e.g. polariser or 10 stop) individually work well but start to vignette if stacked.
Here are a few from my Flickr account, the first is into a partial sun

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4682/39327206622_53e5497d19_b.jpg

The second is with polariser attached

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4591/38647990074_1d442cf6cb_b.jpg

And finally one at a longer focal length

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4641/38702593814_2ff5e17464_b.jpg

I took a couple of shots with full sun in the frame and will dig one out tomorrow when on the PC.
I risked selling my mft 9-18 in advance to help fund this purchase and have no regrets.

Greytop
2nd January 2018, 11:04 AM
Gordon Laing has a very useful hands on comparison between the micro 3/4rds contenders here (https://www.cameralabs.com/leica-dg-8-18mm-f2-8-4-review/), the focus of the review is the 8-18mm.

pdk42
2nd January 2018, 11:59 AM
Thanks for posting that Hew. In Gordon's sample image there seems very little in optical performance between them IMHO. If I had to rate them I'd say it's probably Oly 7-14 > Lumix 7-14 > PL 8-18 - but they are all pretty close. I think I might stick with my 7-14 for now - the rear filter does very effectively fix the purple ghosting which is the Lumix lens's main fault.

pdk42
2nd January 2018, 12:13 PM
I too have acquired this lens (thank you Santa) and am very happy indeed. It feels very well built, roughly the same size as the 12-40 but lighter, screw on filters (e.g. polariser or 10 stop) individually work well but start to vignette if stacked.
Here are a few from my Flickr account, the first is into a partial sun

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4682/39327206622_53e5497d19_b.jpg

The second is with polariser attached

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4591/38647990074_1d442cf6cb_b.jpg

And finally one at a longer focal length

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4641/38702593814_2ff5e17464_b.jpg

I took a couple of shots with full sun in the frame and will dig one out tomorrow when on the PC.
I risked selling my mft 9-18 in advance to help fund this purchase and have no regrets.

Lovely images Iain.

IainMacD
2nd January 2018, 01:07 PM
As promised here is a shot to test for flare issues:
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1645/20171226-Glen_Affric-EM527816.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/96758)
Nothing else to test it against at the time, but you can make your own minds up whether it is an issue or not?

drmarkf
2nd January 2018, 02:49 PM
Pretty much anything that wide would flare like that under those conditions, and many would do worse I suspect.

Tempting: I do love the optical performance of the 7-14 f2.8, but I hate carrying it around and as a result I don't use it as much as I should.

Greytop
2nd January 2018, 02:52 PM
Pretty much anything that wide would flare like that under those conditions, and many would do worse I suspect.

Tempting: I do love the optical performance of the 7-14 f2.8, but I hate carrying it around and as a result I don't use it as much as I should.

Funnily enough I think it's quite compact (small) having had the SHG 7-14 f/4 from 4/3rds days :)

drmarkf
2nd January 2018, 04:29 PM
Funnily enough I think it's quite compact (small) having had the SHG 7-14 f/4 from 4/3rds days :)

Yes, me too! Unfortunately this photographer's carrying capability has reduced since those days.

I am wondering about the 8-18/7-14/Laowa 7.5 equation.

If Oly made a reasonably compact pro-grade rectilinear ultrawide prime that was weather resistant the choice would be easier!

IainMacD
2nd January 2018, 07:46 PM
A thorough review by Wrotniak (http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/m43/leica-008-018.html)

pdk42
20th January 2018, 05:49 AM
Well, I weakened and bought one. Very impressed so far. Here's a quickie I took when testing it:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4613/28008521689_892d7b1964_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JF1ZGn)
Log Cabin Illuminated (https://flic.kr/p/JF1ZGn) by Paul Kaye (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_kaye/), on Flickr

Greytop
20th January 2018, 09:10 AM
Nice light with a touch of snow. Enjoy the lens Paul.