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Telhinhas
8th January 2017, 01:42 PM
Good afternoon to all,

I have joined this community recently and have since come to find this forum more and more useful. However, having looked at this section of the forum, I have a quick remark to make, if I may.

I am looking for a specific used lens (could not find one here), but I did end up opening many threads out of interest.

I realise that when people are looking to sell, they wish to lose the least possible money and recover as much as they can from their initial investment. However, I cannot help but say that when one is looking to sell their used gear, they should at least look online in places like Amazon, eBay or even some used camera shops before posting their gear for sale with unrealistic asking prices.

All due respect, I don´t care if you paid £1000 for a lens 6 months ago and now want £900 for it, if the same item is now selling NEW for £500. This is just an example. :confused:

Just my 2 cents. Sometimes I get the impression that people do not research before posting their gear for sale. I know it sucks losing money when selling stuff you are no longer interested in, but that is just the nature of selling your used gear. People will not buy your used stuff for more money than what they can pay for a new item from a trusted source and with warranty.

Have a lovely Sunday everyone. :)

PS: If the fact that this is not a sell / looking for thread is not allowed, I apologise in advance and ask any moderators out there to delete it.

Graham_of_Rainham
8th January 2017, 01:59 PM
You raise a valid point. We all like to get the best from a deal and I will always seek to achieve a "Win - Win".

As with ebay, anything overpriced seldom sells, but fortunately the majority of the members, especially the long standing ones, are much more realistic. Plus most of us look after our kit really well, so you mostly know that the kit is in the condition that is stated.

I have, and will delete threads that are offering items that are overpriced and attract negative reaction, fortunately these are very few.

Hopefully someone has what you want and a deal can be made.

*chr

Levster
8th January 2017, 02:19 PM
As a serial lens buyer, tryer and then seller I have a lot of experience of what price is good and what price is bad. I tend to buy my used lenses from WEX or MPB, as they are very competitive compared to eBay pricing. When selling on ebay I will take into consideration the new price, grey market price and used pricing. If I'm selling the only one then I'll price close to the cheapest new copy, whereas if there are lots of an item then I'll need to price below the cheapest used copy (condition dependent) to get a quick sale. I do find it somewhat rude when I receive a message on ebay for instance saying "do you know that I can buy this lens for £250 on LCE new and you're selling it for £225". At the end of the day the prospective buyer has no right to a bargain. If you don't like the price just wait for the next copy to appear. Market forces will always win. Eventually a highly priced used lens will come down in price, or the seller will give up and keep it. A better way is to just open with a negotiation, not highlight that the seller is at fault for expecting too much.

Telhinhas
8th January 2017, 03:24 PM
As a serial lens buyer, tryer and then seller I have a lot of experience of what price is good and what price is bad. I tend to buy my used lenses from WEX or MPB, as they are very competitive compared to eBay pricing. When selling on ebay I will take into consideration the new price, grey market price and used pricing. If I'm selling the only one then I'll price close to the cheapest new copy, whereas if there are lots of an item then I'll need to price below the cheapest used copy (condition dependent) to get a quick sale. I do find it somewhat rude when I receive a message on ebay for instance saying "do you know that I can buy this lens for £250 on LCE new and you're selling it for £225". At the end of the day the prospective buyer has no right to a bargain. If you don't like the price just wait for the next copy to appear. Market forces will always win. Eventually a highly priced used lens will come down in price, or the seller will give up and keep it. A better way is to just open with a negotiation, not highlight that the seller is at fault for expecting too much.

I agree that messages disputing the asking price are not always nice to read if you are the seller. If the interested party is interested, then he´ll buy. If he wants to engage a negotiation or make a reasonable offer, then he should message privately. That is what I do, and I also consider myself an experiences online buyer.

What I did here though, was try to raise awareness to a different thing. There are ads on here for used items that are being sold for less money new elsewhere. And that I think may be because people remember what they paid for their new gear, but fail to research what it is going for nowadays.

All the best.

Jim Ford
8th January 2017, 05:07 PM
Reminds me of a friend that wanted to buy a particular power tool:

A company was offering the tool at a bargain price,but when my friend went to buy it they told him the were out of stock.

He went to another place where the tool was dearer and said that they were cheaper at the first place. They said to him "Why didn't you buy one there, then?". He said "Because they are out of stock" to which they replied "Ours are that price when we are out of stock!".

Jim

Naughty Nigel
8th January 2017, 05:34 PM
I agree that messages disputing the asking price are not always nice to read if you are the seller. If the interested party is interested, then he´ll buy. If he wants to engage a negotiation or make a reasonable offer, then he should message privately. That is what I do, and I also consider myself an experiences online buyer.

What I did here though, was try to raise awareness to a different thing. There are ads on here for used items that are being sold for less money new elsewhere. And that I think may be because people remember what they paid for their new gear, but fail to research what it is going for nowadays.

All the best.

If you think somebody is asking way too much then surely you just walk away and look elsewhere? I know I do.

I tried to sell my E5, with grip on here a couple of years ago. I appreciate the value of Four Thirds equipment has dropped like a stone in recent times, but I did my research, and offered it for sale at what seemed like a realistic price; (about £625 if I recall).

I was encouraged by the fact that there had been quite a lot of interest in the E5 model a few weeks previously, and a camera body had changed hands here for £800 +.

Anyhow, the upshot of all this was that I received a load of abuse by PM from a supposed 'member' who suggested that I was 'ripping people off by asking such a ridiculous price', and that 'an E5 body wasn't worth more than £125' (which was all he/she was offering).

Maybe he or she was a trader, but why the abuse? Surely if the E5 was so readily available elsewhere at the price indicated then he/she could easily have bought one, or twenty at that price if they wanted to.

Frankly I would rather use it as a doorstop than sell it for £125, so it is still in its box, complete with the grip., but is used occasionally with the 50 ~ 200 zoom

DerekW
8th January 2017, 06:37 PM
I have just sold two cameras via this forum, both buyers challenged the price (offline) and we came to an accord.

If you see something you would like but do not agree with the price send a pm with a counter offer, you might persuade the seller that they are over valuing the object and you may come to an agreement.

Beagletorque
8th January 2017, 06:58 PM
I seems many a decent forum has been spoiled by pricing spats in the for sale section.
It reminds me of the "Someone is wrong on the internet" cartoon posted up here just recently!

http://www.reformation21.org/Someone_Is_Wrong_On_The_Internet1.gif

Simon Bee
8th January 2017, 07:42 PM
Well here's 'my 2 cents' , no actually 'pennies' as I'm British;)

I am well versed in the S/H value of many photographic items, often scouring dealer sites and letting members of this forum know if I have seen a bargain. Yes sometimes items are advertised on the forum at prices that may appear to be a little high but at the end of the day it's the sellers choice. There are often occasions when I have thought the price was too low as was the case with an em1 I bought recently, see thread ( post 5 ).......

......... http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43637

Why would I up my payment to match the dealers price when I would have had a warranty with the dealer? ...... Because I felt John was effectively underpricing the camera ( perhaps for it to sell quickly ) and I wanted him to receive a fair price. At the end of the day what matters is a fair price for both the seller and the buyer, if the item is way OTT then it will likely not attract any interest at all and the seller will need to rethink their pricing, I for one would not publicly point out that they are asking too much, better to leave alone and if after a week or so they seem to be struggling to raise any interest maybe then send them a 'PM' with links to dealer prices so that they can adjust pricing accordingly.

Simon

DekHog
8th January 2017, 08:06 PM
As much as I don't like TP at times, they have their house in order when it comes to the classifieds.

Seller must state a price and ALL dealing to be done in the thread (no sneaky PMs allowed, and they do know when its going on). The price paid is then in the thread as a reference for others.

Unfortunately, even though I use them, the classifieds in here are just a total free for all with no real rules.

Telhinhas
8th January 2017, 08:13 PM
I get the impression that some people have misinterpreted what I wrote.

Just to clarify: I am not having a "rant" at people for their pricing, but see no harm in telling (in general, without mentioning specific cases) that there are second hand items for sale here for more than you can find new elsewhere.

When I am not interested in something or don´t agree with the price, I just look elsewhere.

Zuiko
9th January 2017, 12:07 AM
If you think somebody is asking way too much then surely you just walk away and look elsewhere? I know I do.

I tried to sell my E5, with grip on here a couple of years ago. I appreciate the value of Four Thirds equipment has dropped like a stone in recent times, but I did my research, and offered it for sale at what seemed like a realistic price; (about £625 if I recall).

I was encouraged by the fact that there had been quite a lot of interest in the E5 model a few weeks previously, and a camera body had changed hands here for £800 +.

Anyhow, the upshot of all this was that I received a load of abuse by PM from a supposed 'member' who suggested that I was 'ripping people off by asking such a ridiculous price', and that 'an E5 body wasn't worth more than £125' (which was all he/she was offering).

Maybe he or she was a trader, but why the abuse? Surely if the E5 was so readily available elsewhere at the price indicated then he/she could easily have bought one, or twenty at that price if they wanted to.

Frankly I would rather use it as a doorstop than sell it for £125, so it is still in its box, complete with the grip., but is used occasionally with the 50 ~ 200 zoom

Sorry to hear you had that bad experience, Nigel. You can report an abusive PM. :)

Simon Bee
9th January 2017, 09:30 AM
I get the impression that some people have misinterpreted what I wrote.

Just to clarify: I am not having a "rant" at people for their pricing, but see no harm in telling (in general, without mentioning specific cases) that there are second hand items for sale here for more than you can find new elsewhere.

When I am not interested in something or don´t agree with the price, I just look elsewhere.

Good morning Telhinas,

Personally speaking I have not misinterpreted what you were saying, nor do I think you were having a 'rant' I agree that in recents weeks some items have appeared at prices that seem a bit on the high side, but historically most sales on this site have been very good deals for the buyer.

Not every member follows the S/H market closely and therefore will be unaware of the latest market value plus we should remember that many retailers have some rather enticing sales running ( which I have taken advantage of ) at the moment which are about to end if they have not already done so. Also the devaluation of the pound will start to 'kick-in' from this month forward as new stock arrives from Japan/China etc. I am a retailer myself ( hardware ) and during the last week of the year I received multiple new price lists with an average increase of 10% across the board and advising that more increase will likely follow in due course.

The upshot ( for the seller ) of this is that the 'apparent' expensive S/H listing will no longer seem so OTT.

I see you are a new member and as of yet I do not believe I have 'welcomed' you to the forum, so "a warm welcome from me" :) We are a friendly bunch of like-minded folk who actually endeavour to encourage and help one another unlike some other forums I could mention, and I believe this makes us rather unique.

I cannot speak for others, but personally there is nothing 'wrong' with what you were saying, however 'I' would not have jumped into the pond 'feet first' as it is bound to create ripples;)
As you say ....if you don't agree with the price just look elsewhere.

Anyway, a genuine warm welcome to you from me, I am sure you will enjoy hanging-out here*chr

Kind regards, Simon

Telhinhas
9th January 2017, 01:57 PM
Good morning Telhinas,

Personally speaking I have not misinterpreted what you were saying, nor do I think you were having a 'rant' I agree that in recents weeks some items have appeared at prices that seem a bit on the high side, but historically most sales on this site have been very good deals for the buyer.

Not every member follows the S/H market closely and therefore will be unaware of the latest market value plus we should remember that many retailers have some rather enticing sales running ( which I have taken advantage of ) at the moment which are about to end if they have not already done so. Also the devaluation of the pound will start to 'kick-in' from this month forward as new stock arrives from Japan/China etc. I am a retailer myself ( hardware ) and during the last week of the year I received multiple new price lists with an average increase of 10% across the board and advising that more increase will likely follow in due course.

The upshot ( for the seller ) of this is that the 'apparent' expensive S/H listing will no longer seem so OTT.

I see you are a new member and as of yet I do not believe I have 'welcomed' you to the forum, so "a warm welcome from me" :) We are a friendly bunch of like-minded folk who actually endeavour to encourage and help one another unlike some other forums I could mention, and I believe this makes us rather unique.

I cannot speak for others, but personally there is nothing 'wrong' with what you were saying, however 'I' would not have jumped into the pond 'feet first' as it is bound to create ripples;)
As you say ....if you don't agree with the price just look elsewhere.

Anyway, a genuine warm welcome to you from me, I am sure you will enjoy hanging-out here*chr

Kind regards, Simon

Thanks Simon for the nice message.
It was never my intention to "jump into the pond 'feet first'" :)
but I see your point. Glad you could see mine too.

Best,
T

Simon Bee
9th January 2017, 02:07 PM
It was never my intention to "jump into the pond 'feet first'"



I'm sure it wasn't.

Kind regards, Simon

Harold Gough
9th January 2017, 04:52 PM
Anyhow, the upshot of all this was that I received a load of abuse by PM from a supposed 'member' who suggested that I was 'ripping people off by asking such a ridiculous price', and that 'an E5 body wasn't worth more than £125' (which was all he/she was offering).

Maybe he or she was a trader, but why the abuse? Surely if the E5 was so readily available elsewhere at the price indicated then he/she could easily have bought one, or twenty at that price if they wanted to.

Many years ago, when digital was just becoming popular, I advertised a rather nice film lens. (I think it was in the Amateur Photographer adds).

I received a letter which although not abusive, the tone was. I was instructed that I must sell my lens for £20 as it was not digital, or words to that effect.

A bit of nostalgia: I can remember when, universally, any secondhand item had a maximum value of the price of a new one.

Harold

pdk42
9th January 2017, 05:48 PM
I'm sure we've all seen ads, here and on other forums, where the price causes a certain raising of an eyebrow. I always resist any temptation to pass comment - either publicly or privately. If the seller can find a willing buyer then good luck to him/her. If not, then either the price will get reduced or the item won't sell. That's just market forces.

Likewise, I'm never offended by a low offer (I can always say no) and if I do decide to make an offer on another person's listing, I'm never offended if I get a negative response. That's the nature of dealing!

sapper
9th January 2017, 06:10 PM
I think do not factor in the use they have had of the item till they sell it. That is worth something.

Naughty Nigel
9th January 2017, 06:15 PM
A bit of nostalgia: I can remember when, universally, any secondhand item had a maximum value of the price of a new one.

Harold

There is an old saying that "a fool and his money are easily parted". :)

People seem to get carried away on eBay, often paying silly prices because the seller advertises something as a 'rare item', or because they simply haven't bothered to check the price of a new one. :rolleyes:

I wonder how many 'chancers' advertise things on eBay at silly prices knowing that soon enough a fool will come along and buy them?