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Hiding_Pup
22nd December 2007, 09:59 PM
It's a (relatively) old adage now that you never perform black and white conversions in-camera, because the best results are always in post-processing. This was certainly true with my first digital camera several years ago, but the in-camera b&w in my new E-400 (at 1600ASA!) really surprised me this evening:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2102/2128585867_ffece53a52.jpg

Anyone else been experimenting with this mode?

theMusicMan
22nd December 2007, 11:59 PM
D'ya know, I have never tried taking a B&W photo in-camera, I guess in the main because I know that if I do, I lose the opportunity to see what it looked like in colour.

Maybe the in-camera processing is better than post processing, shall have to try and see. Good question though... and nice capture.

rich s
23rd December 2007, 12:25 AM
I don't think that arguement really applies these days.
I often switch to B&W shooting mode when I feel the subject needs that approach - for me it often helps simplify things by turning the subject in front of me into the image I have in my mind!

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Hiding_Pup
23rd December 2007, 12:37 AM
Have you got an online gallery or collection of in-camera black and whites? Would love to see what someone who regularly uses the mode gets up to.

rich s
23rd December 2007, 12:49 AM
Have you got an online gallery or collection of in-camera black and whites? Would love to see what someone who regularly uses the mode gets up to.

I've not really a gallery as such, but here are some taken recently:-

First one in France in September, the second in Brittany a few months earlier (Leica D-Lux-3 with IS as my Oly E400 couldn't manage the low light!) and the last taken the other day with the E3 in Rochdale using a Leica R 90mm f2 lens.

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DTD
23rd December 2007, 01:12 AM
I think the advantage of doing it post capture is it gives you more options.

Most of my stuff has always been black and white, but it's only this year that I've really used digital to produce 'real' monochrome.

theMusicMan
23rd December 2007, 08:22 AM
Have you got an online gallery or collection of in-camera black and whites? Would love to see what someone who regularly uses the mode gets up to.
I have a few on my blog - which is here (http://www.mrjohn.co.uk/index.php?showimage=1) - people I feel, especially look good in B&W

Nick Temple-Fry
23rd December 2007, 08:38 AM
Black and white images often rely on slightly skewed mixing of the colour channels to give them punch - traditionally this was either (or and) a feature of the film or of the use of filters.

Capturing in colour allows you to decompose the image to the red/green/blue channels and re-mix giving you the option to emulate film/filters in post processing.

But I do like the purety of shooting, sometimes in black and white.

From earlier this year
http://www.temple-fry.co.uk/wbahanstjtwr1.jpg

Hannington - St John

http://www.temple-fry.co.uk/wbakmpstmarysouth.jpg

Kempsford - St Mary

Both shot as in-camera Black and white

theMusicMan
23rd December 2007, 08:45 AM
WOW Nick.... excellent detail in the brickwork in your first image there and is a great example of where B&W works well. Some great shots of some churches in your gallery too by the way...:)

Nick Temple-Fry
23rd December 2007, 09:03 AM
Thanks John

Actually what I was most pleased with was takeing that shot (flat on my back on the edge of a field) without including my toes in the field of view.

Oh the sufferring we endure for the sake of art.

(now with the E-3, liveview and the flexible screen - I should never need to get my clothes dirty)

Nick

ndl0071
23rd December 2007, 09:08 AM
Hi

The E510 is my first DSLR and my first digital cam that allows me to take B&W as well as colour, I experimented with this B&W mode a couple of months ago whist abroad, these 2 shots were taken with the red filter. I love B&W shots more than colour, I kind of miss my Ilford FP4/HP5:)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Swiss_Visit_Oct_2007_057.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1584)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Swiss_Visit_Oct_2007_135.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1585)

:):)

PeterD
23rd December 2007, 11:45 AM
Very good images. I agree that B&W images can be more powerful than colour as colour can distract.

Some people use this to great effect by exagerating colour in an image to provide atmosphere but good B&W images do this for themselves.

Well done

PeterD

Hiding_Pup
23rd December 2007, 12:03 PM
Thanks for all your replies, guys! Clearly, there's something filmic going on in-camera when shooting in B&W mode - none of these look like desaturated colour images to me. I wonder what kind of film Olympus modelled the conversion on?

Scapula Memory
23rd December 2007, 12:10 PM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Swiss_Visit_Oct_2007_135.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1585)

What a fantastic image. You really caught this one well, and what an amazing looking place.

regards

John

ndl0071
23rd December 2007, 03:08 PM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Swiss_Visit_Oct_2007_135.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1585)

What a fantastic image. You really caught this one well, and what an amazing looking place.

regards

John

Thanks John

It is a fantastic place, 4000m above Chamonix in the French Alps, It's one scarey ride to the top:eek:

Cheers
Neil

Barr1e
23rd December 2007, 04:46 PM
I'm being cheeky - converted from colour and played about with.

Anne
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Anne-eg.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1595)

Happy Christmas. Barr1e

Barr1e
23rd December 2007, 05:17 PM
Oh sausage! Forgot to flatten the layer to show those eyes above.

If I get the time I'll re-post.

Regards. B