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Ricoh
16th December 2015, 10:27 AM
A forum search provides no returns for 4K, unless I'm using the search function incorrectly.
Also, a 'Google' search returned rumours that the EM1 Mk II will not be 4K enabled, but that was fairly old reportage. Anyone know any more?

I'm not a video user, by any means, but 4K seems to be a handy tool to have providing 8MP images and 12x8" prints of more than adequate quality (according to an AP article).

Ian
16th December 2015, 10:59 AM
You need at least three character search terms on the forum - it's a stipulation of the vBulletin search function. You can try a google search including e-group.uk.net.

There is no official news at all on a Mark II E-M1 let alone whether it will have 4K or not :)

Ian

Ricoh
16th December 2015, 11:14 AM
Thanks Ian, stored in the grey matter for future searches, I try not to replicate posts (I see others do as well, which is to the good).

Being a competitor to Panasonic, I would put money on it, but not the house. I was rather ambivalent towards 4K, seeing it as a gimmick, but having had it demonstrated I was quite impressed. It would be great for street photography. I'm sure there's quite a number hoping Olympus release it soon.

Ian
16th December 2015, 11:31 AM
I have used 4K on various Panasonic bodies and it works quite well but Panasonic need to make it more friendly to the way a still photographer works. The 8.3 megapixel image quality is quite decent though and I very much like the way you can flick through frames to grab that transient magical moment :)

Ian

Ricoh
16th December 2015, 11:45 AM
In agreement with regard the user interface, they need to think as a stills photographer thinks. With 4K the decisive moment is available to most people, as long as they have mastered composion, exposure etc.

PeterBirder
16th December 2015, 11:46 AM
The E-M10 MKII has 4k Time Lapse mode and this was added to the E-M1 by Firmware version 4.0 update.

Ian
16th December 2015, 02:04 PM
My guess is that real time 4K requires a substantial increase in image processor power and Olympus has decided it's not worth the cost at this point. But 4K has been a success in terms of TV sales so I think Olympus will have to embrace it eventually.

Ian

Ricoh
16th December 2015, 06:09 PM
I've been informed that Panasonic's GM5 has been dropped, maybe because it's not cost effective, or it's not as popular as they had hoped. It's certainly too small to dissipate the heat that comes with 4K, and there seems to be a move towards 4K in their product line. To be competitive I think Olympus will move in that direction as well, market forces will provide the pull.

Graham_of_Rainham
16th December 2015, 06:14 PM
I really like the idea of 4K for extracting single frames, as Ian mentioned.

For video, I feel 1080 (on my small TV :o ) is plenty good enough, for the very limited use I make of video.

Ricoh
16th December 2015, 06:26 PM
Yes, I can't see a better application for 4K than frame grabbing. I sat through a demonstration by Gagan Sadana and marvelled at his 'decisive moment' shots, stunning work. Then he revealed his technique - 4K. I was bitten!

It's a brilliant development for stills photography, and it can only improve with time!

timboo
16th December 2015, 07:57 PM
This is from a UK point of view

4k is all well and good however other than photography and pro video the market is still very slow.

Take for example mainstream television, think back to VHS soon after DVDs were released VHS disappeared over night. The same cannot be said for the transition DVD-blueray.

Both are readily available and blue rays have not out sold dvd. Then there is the issue of streaming and downloads. We still see 720p tv channels/movies. 1080p isnt the norm. Why? For starters internet speed targets have not been met by the government and remember the larger the data the quicker the speed required.

Bearing in mind all of the above where does 4k sit?

4K how many movies and TV channels exist? A hanful.
4k format - will bluray surfice storage wise? Maybe not
Will the internet speed suffice? No not for the majority of people in the uk.
How much data will need to be transferred? Double 1080p (im guessing)
How many people own 4k tvs? Pros and people who saw 4k and thought i must have one without thought

Vhs produced - 1976 ish
DVD was produced - announced 1990 ish globally produced 1995
Blue ray produced - announced 2002 globally produced 2006
4k - 2013 ish

Why would olympus and others concentrate on 4k when the infastructure isnt in place yet. I'm comfident olympus have 4k mapped out but why include it at this stage. Is it the priority at the moment? I guess not Surly its about getting people to move from 4/3 to m4/3 and gaining market share. I see video as a bonus on my camera not the reason for my purchase.
Based on the above Its going to be about 2018 before 4k is where blueray(1080p) is at.



I know there will be some people thinking that i have forgot about PC users as 4k resolution has been out for ages however pcs are a different kettle of fish and in this age more specialised and do not represent the general public.

Sorry for going off at a tangent my point is Olympus will need to take into account things such as what i have highlighted and i dont think either outcome is necesserily wrong based on where technology is at present but cost and return will be key.

4k is like creating a new bullet with no gun to fire it

Ross the fiddler
16th December 2015, 09:39 PM
I really like the idea of 4K for extracting single frames, as Ian mentioned.

For video, I feel 1080 (on my small TV :o ) is plenty good enough, for the very limited use I make of video.

One day we might move up to a 1080 HD TV from 720. :rolleyes: ;)

Crazy Dave
16th December 2015, 10:20 PM
I've been informed that Panasonic's GM5 has been dropped, maybe because it's not cost effective, or it's not as popular as they had hoped. It's certainly too small to dissipate the heat that comes with 4K, and there seems to be a move towards 4K in their product line. To be competitive I think Olympus will move in that direction as well, market forces will provide the pull.

I was chatting to an impressive assistant in the camera department of John Lewis about the Sony RX 100 Mk 4. Apparently, the 4K is good for just 5 minutes before it overheats.

David

timboo
16th December 2015, 10:21 PM
I was chatting to an impressive assistant in the camera department of John Lewis about the Sony RX 100 Mk 4. Apparently, the 4K is good for just 5 minutes before it overheats.

David

More reasons backing up my theory above :-)