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Dewi9
19th October 2015, 10:42 PM
A question for all our readers ... apologies if this topic has been covered in the past.

At my local camera club tonight there was a fairly heated discussion regarding what could be entered in the next club competition. The theme title is 'Landscape'.

Yes, I know what the dictionary definition says, and what is generally accepted as a 'landscape', but should the definition be widened ?

Where, for instance, does a seascape or overall image of a town, taken from a high vantage point, fit in ? Both are, after all, simply views over a chunk of land - one covered in water and the other built on.

In addition, there is a genre of photography entitled 'urban landscape', showing street scenes with / without people included - where does this fit in ?

Considering they all depict chunks of land, where do you draw the line ?

If the definition specifies 'actual untouched virgin wilderness' ( as some purists would claim ) then perhaps a crop of the moons surface, suitably enlarged and printed, would fit the definition.

Your thoughts would be appreciated on this subject.

David.

Ross the fiddler
19th October 2015, 11:29 PM
I would consider an 'urban landscape' to still be a landscape, but then I'm not trying to enter a photo to be judged with a possible narrow minded expectation either. :rolleyes: ;)

David M
19th October 2015, 11:55 PM
Given the amount of junk NASA have left on the moon it's hardly pristine. There's a bunch of Hasselblads minus their film backs up there.

IanB
20th October 2015, 12:14 AM
talk about opening a can of worms in the chicken pen.

I have often thought about this myself and never really come up a direct answer apart it's all in the eye of the beholder . Maybe there shouldn't be a set definition

benvendetta
20th October 2015, 06:26 AM
A seascape is not a landscape imo and if I was judging such a competition I would state this. A landscape needs to be largely l.and.

Grumpy Hec
20th October 2015, 06:51 AM
We had a similar situation last year in our Essex Landscape competition. The solution was simply to say that for the purposes of the competition seascapes were included.

Of course if the intention is for "land" scapes only that could equally be stated.

Personally I believe that in most cases seascapes are included in the overall landscape banner largely because you rarely see seascape as a defined subject on most forums or web sites. Therefore if it was not included you would effectively rule that genre out of many situations.

Hec

Crazy Dave
20th October 2015, 06:58 AM
My experience of these 'set subject' competitions is that it's important to brief the judge in advance. If not, the interpretation if left to the judge will sometime lead to either a very narrow interpretation frustrating many entrants, or a broad and inclusive opinion.
Last year, I entered an urban scene (the only one) in a landscape competition, threw the man completely. I dislike labels but not everyone shares that opinion.

David

alfbranch
20th October 2015, 07:19 PM
What is this?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3732/9392433148_0e15fdbc4a_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/fiYF9y)Looking south to bright skies (https://flic.kr/p/fiYF9y) by Alf Branch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32457074@N07/), on Flickr

Naughty Nigel
20th October 2015, 10:00 PM
I would say that is a landscape, even though there is some sea in it. The photographs below are seascapes In my view, (more the second than the first).

And what about lakes?



http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Coast_P6036789_.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/34900)



http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/508/Calf_Sound_1024.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/11380)


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Hardwick_Lake_1024.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/11374)

Graptolite
20th October 2015, 10:21 PM
What is this?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3732/9392433148_0e15fdbc4a_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/fiYF9y)Looking south to bright skies (https://flic.kr/p/fiYF9y) by Alf Branch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32457074@N07/), on Flickr

Part land, part sea - that is a rather beautiful beachscape Alf....;)

Naughty Nigel
21st October 2015, 06:08 PM
But I suppose the question must be "what is the dominant feature in the image"?

In the images I posted above have the sea (and a lake) dominate, but I would say the land dominates in Alf's landscape.

Dewi9
21st October 2015, 07:53 PM
Hi all

Well, we have had a 'ruling' from the Competition Secretary clarifying the guidelines for the 'Landscapes' competition.

" A landscape is defined as, generally, open land, outside urban areas, with little or no evidence of human habitation. However, seascapes with some 'land' included in the picture would be accepted.

'Urban landscapes' would be the subject of a future competition and would not be accepted for this competition. "

So now we know. We must not upset the judge by straying from the guidelines.

But do you all agree ?

David

Bikie John
21st October 2015, 08:18 PM
I don't think it matters. As long as the entrants and the judge are clear on the scope of the competition, it doesn't really matter what you call it. "Landscape" is just a convenient shorthand for roughly the stuff that the rule describes, so it does the job fine.

You could subvert the rules by shooting a bit of "generally open land etc." and presenting it taller than it is wide :)

John

Naughty Nigel
21st October 2015, 09:49 PM
However, seascapes with some 'land' included in the picture would be accepted.

You could have fun with that one! *yes

The SOED defines land as "The solid part of the earth's surface, as distinguished from the sea or water, or from the air", but it doesn't say how big it needs to be! :D

PeterBirder
21st October 2015, 10:50 PM
Hi all

Well, we have had a 'ruling' from the Competition Secretary clarifying the guidelines for the 'Landscapes' competition.

" A landscape is defined as, generally, open land, outside urban areas, with little or no evidence of human habitation. However, seascapes with some 'land' included in the picture would be accepted.

'Urban landscapes' would be the subject of a future competition and would not be accepted for this competition. "

So now we know. We must not upset the judge by straying from the guidelines.

But do you all agree ?

David





How bizarre!

The competition has gone from the vague "A Landscape" (which, without qualification, to me would mean any scenic subject that you could see when on land) to the highly restrictive "open land, outside urban areas, with little or no evidence of human habitation" together with, even more bizarrely "seascapes with some 'land' included in the picture would be accepted."

Only my personal opinion but this sort of thing is one of the reasons I've never felt the desire to join a photography club or enter a photography competition. Photography, or any other visual art form is highly subjective and the concept of what is a "good or outstanding picture" is highly personalised. Personally I simply cannot grasp the concept of it being a "competitive sport".
I accept that many folks do get some enjoyment from these things which is fine, just not for me.*shrug

ringneck
21st October 2015, 11:08 PM
There was a "famous" example a few years ago on Ephotozine where a sponsor ran a comp with a very decent prize with the title Landscape......1000's entered and must have taken ages to sort out their finest and bother to upload etc.
It was quite some time before the comp ended and the winner chosen - and it turned out to be.........a pair of denim jeans folded in such a way to look like the folds of a sweeping fieldscape.......I think the flack is still flying......:D

Naughty Nigel
21st October 2015, 11:11 PM
Only my personal opinion but this sort of thing is one of the reasons I've never felt the desire to join a photography club or enter a photography competition. Photography, or any other visual art form is highly subjective and the concept of what is a "good or outstanding picture" is highly personalised. Personally I simply cannot grasp the concept of it being a "competitive sport".
I accept that many folks do get some enjoyment from these things which is fine, just not for me.*shrug

I quite agree. And sadly, photography seems to bring out a lot of small-mindedness in some people.

I have no criticism of this forum, but one of the reasons that I rarely post any new photographs here or take part in competitions is that I have no wish to be restricted to any particular type of camera. I use Olympus 43 exclusively in my day job, but when it comes to personal photography I use whatever I feel like, or whatever comes to hand.

Somebody here once complained that one of my photographs had been taken on a Nikon LS9000C, when in fact it had been taken on my OM4Ti and scanned on the LS9000C! That kind of hassle I can do without.

PeterBirder
21st October 2015, 11:20 PM
I quite agree. And sadly, photography seems to bring out a lot of small-mindedness in some people.

I have no criticism of this forum, but one of the reasons that I rarely post any new photographs here or take part in competitions is that I have no wish to be restricted to any particular type of camera. I use Olympus 43 exclusively in my day job, but when it comes to personal photography I use whatever I feel like, or whatever comes to hand.

Somebody here once complained that one of my photographs had been taken on a Nikon LS9000C, when in fact it had been taken on my OM4Ti and scanned on the LS9000C! That kind of hassle I can do without.

Ah, "small mindedness" that was an expression I was trying to think of, together with "nit picking".:) It's the scarcity of these on this forum that make it so refreshingly different.

Regards.*chr

Harold Gough
30th October 2015, 08:56 AM
I would disqualify any in portrait format! :D

Harold