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martyjward
12th May 2015, 02:00 PM
Has anyone got a Samyang 7.5mm F3.5 Fish-eye Lens? Specifically when used with an E-M1.

Birthday is coming up & mum is bound to ask me what I want. Fancy playing with a fish eye. No way can I afford the Olympus fisheye.

Wondering if with the 180 degree view I will end with fingers / grip in the image on the em-1.

pdk42
12th May 2015, 02:47 PM
It's a cracking lens and it works fine on the E-M1. Fisheye perspectives can be very creative. Body parts in-shot aren't really an issue unless you point the camera down.

yorky
12th May 2015, 03:33 PM
Yes, Its a great lens, pin sharp.

MarkG
12th May 2015, 03:38 PM
Is the bodycap fisheye lens still available as a budget option?

Graham_of_Rainham
12th May 2015, 04:57 PM
It works well and takes some getting used to, so you have to get used to a whole different way of using it

Get too close to a reflecting surface and you end up seeing yourself:

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/EP571188.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/81178)

Peter_Hartland
12th May 2015, 09:49 PM
I don't own it but borrow a friends & find it extremely good. Now I have finally saved up & bought the 40-150 + extender I will buy my own but then they have just launched the new 7-14mm & might sell my Panny version for the only. Does it ever stop!

byegad
13th May 2015, 07:09 AM
Excellent specialist lens. Be careful to keep your fingers out of shot. my first attempts to use it on my EPL5 had the edge of a finger from my left hand showing in the bottom left of frame. On larger cameras this wasn't an issue and it's easy enough to ensure you hold the EPL5 correctly.

martyjward
14th May 2015, 06:42 AM
Well - you have all made my mind up, thanks for the recommendation. Better get it on order so I can play with it before I want to use it anger.

Graham, that's a reflection of the lens from one of the mirrors? Interesting sculpture. I tend to stay well away from Mirrors, they have a habit of cracking when I look at them.

Mark, I have looked at the body cap, it looks OK & you can still get it,. Personally I think I'm gonna go for the smayang, everyone seems to like it including review sites like D P review.

Where to buy it from, do I risk buying from Hong Kong or do I pay more & get it in the UK?

byegad
14th May 2015, 06:59 AM
Japan runs the risk you'll pay import duty, try Fotonia Poland on eBay, as they're in the EU there's no danger of duties being payable and I've had two lenses, a Samyang 12mm and a Voightlander Nokton25mm from them at decent savings. Fully tracked delivery I watched mine as they left Poland, visited Germany and finally got into the UK. Delivery took about 5 days each time and I have no connection with them other than as a satisfied customer.

pdk42
14th May 2015, 05:40 PM
Here's a few from me to whet your appetite!

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8598/16153194341_c039cc786b_b.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/qBpkUH)
Newcastle Millenium Bridge by -Paul Kaye- (http://flic.kr/p/qBpkUH)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3883/14824631686_86ec40fe33_b.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/oA17w3)
Lille Bourse by -Paul Kaye- (http://flic.kr/p/oA17w3)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3916/14421099988_6da7d94b51_b.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/nYkUAY)
Wheatfield by -Paul Kaye- (http://flic.kr/p/nYkUAY)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7439/14120936131_a014896ee6_b.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/nvPum4)
Covent Garden by -Paul Kaye- (http://flic.kr/p/nvPum4)

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3773/10465823125_1c46e93b1c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/gWQ5Ai)
Mushroom (https://flic.kr/p/gWQ5Ai) by Paul Kaye (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_kaye/), on Flickr}

martyjward
14th May 2015, 06:35 PM
OK, OK, I get the idea... those that have it, love it. Minds made up.

Paul - love the architecture shots and that mushroom one is awesome.

drmarkf
14th May 2015, 08:29 PM
Yeah, it's the sort of lens, like the 45 f1.8 for subject isolation, that's so small and light you can carry it round along with a 2 zoom lens basic kit and not notice you've got it, but it allows you to take the occasional shot that is truly impossible to take otherwise.

I love that second shot, Paul.

raichea
14th May 2015, 11:33 PM
The wheatfield and mushroom shots are great, Paul... must do more with my own Samyang.

Cheers, Steve.

themosttogain
15th May 2015, 08:18 AM
I'm selling my 8mm FT mount version...not sure how much difference that extra half a mm makes to the FOV though!

damianmkv
15th May 2015, 08:33 AM
how easy are they to use, being manual focus ? Is it literally chuck it on and leave it ? I'm tempted by one but not sure if i'd get fed up ( being bloody lazy )

themosttogain
15th May 2015, 08:37 AM
The general 'lazy rule' seems to be to focus to 0.4m on f5.6-f8 and you don't need to worry about focus. Must admit to not having tested the theory myself.. I've only used mine a couple of times as i'm not a massive fisheye fan!

martyjward
15th May 2015, 03:47 PM
Done a bit of research and the Oly 8mm is a lot bigger & heavier than the Samyang and I would need use an adaptor too.

As I'll already have the 12-40 & 40-150 pros in my bag I think the smaller, lighter Samyang is the way to go for me.

themosttogain
15th May 2015, 03:59 PM
It's the Samyang 8mm I have (specs here (http://www.cameracentreuk.com/four-thirds/samyang-8mm-f35-aspherical-if-mc-fisheye-cs-lens-four-thirds-fit-2445-505-2964.php)), not the Olympus.. It's still bigger than the 7.5mm MFT version though so your point is still valid...and especially if you don't have already have a FT adapter!

martyjward
31st May 2015, 09:15 AM
Just took a look at my options again & discovered the lensbaby circular fish eye. Unfortunately it doesn't give a full circular image as the image is bigger than a 4/3rd sensor ( http://m43photo.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/lensbaby-58mm-f35-circular-fisheye.html ). Shame because I like the effect it gives, especially the reflection on the edge.

Zuiko
31st May 2015, 09:45 AM
Body parts in-shot aren't really an issue unless you point the camera down.



How far down? :eek:

I've got a birthday coming up, too, but I'll be lucky to get a lens cleaning cloth! :D

damianmkv
31st May 2015, 05:56 PM
On holiday in Halkidiki at the moment and really wish I'd bought one. 20mm just isn't wide enough for scenery

martyjward
9th June 2015, 06:29 AM
Woo hoo! Lens has arrived at my Mums, can't have it foe a couple of weeks yet. She wants me to test however, so I'm going to run around there tonight on my way home from work, just to check it out.

I remember reading somewhere that you have to change a setting on the camera (E-M1) to allow it take pictures when it can't recognise the lens / it dosent think a lens is attached. Am I right or am I thinking of a different camea? Anyone able to tell me where the setting is? I only as as a quick Google search came up with nothing & i don't have manual on me.

byegad
9th June 2015, 07:11 AM
My EM10 'recognises'* that it has a manual lens attached and switches to MF automatically, my EM5 doesn't! Either way you can take photos without making any changes if you are in A or P mode. I rarely use S and never use Auto so don't know what they do.

*recognises is a bit of a misnomer here at it has no electronic connection to the lens (As there are no electronics in the lens! )and merely shows 0mm in EXIF

IainMacD
9th June 2015, 07:22 AM
There is a way of setting the focal length to allow the IBIS to work accurately; if I remember correctly open the Image Stabilisation from the control panel and then press the Info button, the dials should then allow you to select the (nearest) focal length?

Zuiko
9th June 2015, 07:29 AM
Woo hoo! Lens has arrived at my Mums, can't have it foe a couple of weeks yet. She wants me to test however, so I'm going to run around there tonight on my way home from work, just to check it out.

I remember reading somewhere that you have to change a setting on the camera (E-M1) to allow it take pictures when it can't recognise the lens / it dosent think a lens is attached. Am I right or am I thinking of a different camea? Anyone able to tell me where the setting is? I only as as a quick Google search came up with nothing & i don't have manual on me.

You have to make sure you only select aperture priority or manual exposure when using this lens; shutter priority and program modes won't work. Also, IBIS won't automatically calibrate as the camera does not know the focal length - you have to set this manually. I suspect this is the setting you read about.

I'm jealous - enjoy! *chr

drmarkf
9th June 2015, 08:26 AM
Good point about IBIS - I've been using the lens quite a bit recently and had forgotten about setting that.

However, at that focal length I doubt IBIS makes much of a detectable difference at exposures below around half a second!

I just returned from 3 weeks in S Africa and Malawi: I took the 12-35 f2.8, 40-150 f2.8 and teleconverter as my main lenses, but slipped the 45 f1.8 and Samyang in my pocket. I took both my E-M1 bodies since we were doing a lot of game drives and I didn't want to risk changing lenses in the extremely dusty environment of an open Land Rover.

I didn't actually use the 45 (I'd intended to use it for 'street' portraits, but opportunities didn't arise), however the fisheye got used quite a bit for landscapes, especially sunsets. It was great fun to have around and is so small you don't notice the weight or size. Set to f4.5 - 5.6, roughly zone focus, then forget! I used a LowePro 200AW slingback bag throughout, which easily carried all the kit.

I've barely started processing the over-2500 images I took overall, but if there are any nice fisheye shots I'll post them in this thread.

damianmkv
9th June 2015, 08:44 AM
Will be joining the club too - really wished I'd had one on holiday and last weekend at the coast so jumped in as I had the money in my PayPal account.

Hope I get the hang of it - will need some experimentation I think

drmarkf
9th June 2015, 09:16 AM
Hope I get the hang of it - will need some experimentation I think

Yes, we've all found this. Keeping the fingers of your left hand and your feet out of the frame are the main problems (hold the camera with two hands on the body, rather than with the left one cradling the lens, and Liveview is useful for framing with the camera held out in front), and the deeper grip on the E-M1 puts your right fingers in the frame as well unless you're very careful.

I did quite a few shots handheld with the 3-shot 2EV HDR option, and I'm looking forward to playing with those.

martyjward
9th June 2015, 10:11 AM
Thanks for the reply - manual mode, done that before.

Focal length for IBIS - need to work out how to do that. Does It reset when you put a recognised lens back on?


I did quite a few shots handheld with the 3-shot 2EV HDR option, and I'm looking forward to playing with those.

That's one of things I was going to try with it as well. Also going to try long exposure HDR with it.

IainMacD
9th June 2015, 11:23 AM
Focal length for IBIS - need to work out how to do that. Does It reset when you put a recognised lens back on?

Yes, but if you use another manual lens the camera remembers the last value you input, so you would have to change it to suit the other lens.

damianmkv
9th June 2015, 11:25 AM
according to the e-m1 manual

select IS, press info and scroll to select focal length and then press OK. Select focal length between 8mm and 100mm, choosing the one that is closest to that of the lens

cant help you with it resetting or not

damianmkv
9th June 2015, 11:26 AM
ah - Iain beat me to it

trailer
10th June 2015, 08:34 AM
You have to make sure you only select aperture priority or manual exposure when using this lens; shutter priority and program modes won't work.

I might be doing things wrong but I've been using this lens predominantly with shutter priority (and not dialling in any IS) with no issues. Set the aperture you want on the lens and adjust your shutter speed to suit.

Dave in Wales
23rd June 2015, 04:16 PM
Ab, fab, lens....Oh how I hate that saying.

Cannot sing it's praises highly enough.....VG value for 's

Don't just use it to get more in, it's a creative lens.

damianmkv
23rd June 2015, 04:23 PM
Here's my youngest, pondering his punnet

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/430/19025477871_9b8af150b7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/uZdxJx)i wonder if that's enough (https://flic.kr/p/uZdxJx) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

raichea
23rd June 2015, 05:01 PM
Gave my Samyang an outing the other day:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/555/19063112896_6d69f7e4cc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/v3xrjh)_6210144.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/v3xrjh) by Steve Russell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/raichea/), on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/295/18901608220_be2853839f_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/uNgFAU)_6210145.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/uNgFAU) by Steve Russell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/raichea/), on Flickr

drmarkf
23rd June 2015, 05:34 PM
I don't offer the image below as a particularly good shot of a Lake Malawi sunset, but it's just an example of how this can be a fun travel lens. I stuffed it in a pocket as I left for South Africa and Malawi in the middle of May, and ended up using it quite a bit because of the unique viewpoint and ease of carriage.

I have barely had time to do any post-processing since returning, and so I've actually got quite a few HDR 3-shot, 2EV handheld fisheye series to play with over the coming weeks, of which this is an illustrative middle shot of one, quickly whizzed through CO:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/543/18469610503_b6b98391a8_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/u96zJp)MF E-M1 Cape Maclear (https://flic.kr/p/u96zJp) by drmarkf (https://www.flickr.com/photos/78755319@N02/), on Flickr

damianmkv
24th June 2015, 07:35 PM
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/324/19118629972_a7085bf0aa_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/v8rYBf)man made monster (https://flic.kr/p/v8rYBf) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

damianmkv
13th July 2015, 06:53 AM
In case anyone wondered how much this lens can get in shot...a whole ferry

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/478/19598947426_dbcf16e4ce_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vRTJfE)how wide is a fisheye ? (https://flic.kr/p/vRTJfE) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

byegad
13th July 2015, 07:52 AM
Yes I love my Samyang 7.5mm. I really must use it more!

katran
16th January 2016, 02:11 PM
I have a question for the users of Samyang 7.5mm. How is the IQ of this lens?

I have the Samyang 8mm for DSLR. Before buying it i read that is a sharp lens. Then I had it and used it, I was not impressed by the IQ:
-in the center it is sharp in deed, but probably not better than 14-42 kit lens;
-in the corners it is soft (tested at F/8.0);
-it has more CA than any lens I used, but these can be corected easily with Olympus Viewer (but probably only when I shot raw). I shot raw all the time with my E-5, so CA is not a problem. The CA were purple, reds and greens.

For personal use, the IQ is good.
For professional use, it requires good editing to make it usable.
I agree, it is very nice to have a fish eye lens. Was a good investment and fun to play with it.
And probably the sharpness it is a very relative thing, depends from person to person. I ussually use 12-60mm SWD, and probably I am used with very good IQ. The fish eye IQ is more like a kit lens quality.

So what about 7.5mm ? How is the sharpness ? The CA (chromatic aberations)?

Thank you in advance for your comments !

damianmkv
16th January 2016, 03:12 PM
I find it perfectly acceptable - ok, it might be a little soft at the edges but it's not mushy. I'm really critical ( overly perhaps ) and I'm very happy with it.

I'm out at the moment but I'll pop a piccy up later

damianmkv
16th January 2016, 05:13 PM
Here's another - excuse the Instagram crop - the corners are blurred in PP

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/704/21110459312_97b4de8d4a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/yasC5q)Bassam991 (https://flic.kr/p/yasC5q) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

katran
16th January 2016, 06:03 PM
Thank you for your comment, Damian.

Very interesting would be an sample without blured on the corners (I was interested especially in corners). But if you do not have it easy available, do not spend time on this.
Thank you.

damianmkv
16th January 2016, 06:12 PM
Here's a couple - not sure if they're of any use

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/353/19799868993_ff62aac020_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/waDveB)#fourinstance at Let's Race (https://flic.kr/p/waDveB) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/349/19631966678_2746cd2a1a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vUNXJ7)bird's eye view of beach life (https://flic.kr/p/vUNXJ7) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/21975456965_4aec6fdabe_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ztTXK4)chesterton windmill (https://flic.kr/p/ztTXK4) by damianmkv (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59954848@N07/), on Flickr

katran
17th January 2016, 07:42 AM
Thank you, Damian !
The samples are very usefull and help me to realize how this lens performs.
The IQ is similar to my 8mm lens.

The 7.5mm I like more because of the size (is smaller than 8mm lens), but currently I have E-5 so the 8mm is the only one who fit.

lauy
7th March 2016, 07:54 AM
I'm interested in getting this lens for some quirky landscapes but just not sure how much use it will get.

Ricoh
7th March 2016, 09:03 AM
I'm interested in getting this lens for some quirky landscapes but just not sure how much use it will get.
That's the situation I found. Having bought it new, I ended up using it on something approximating to a dozen separate occasions. It's a novelty lens, and if you use it too often all your shots will look the same. Used once and again it's ok. I sold mine in the same condition as I bought it, i.e like new. If you must scratch that itch, I'd recommend getting one 2nd hand.
Other people's mileage and all that stuf my vary (what a terrible import that expression is, nearly as bad as trick or treat :)).

pdk42
7th March 2016, 09:25 AM
It might be a specialty lens, but it's definitely got its uses. I use mine a fair bit and given that it's not too expensive (especially second hand), it earns its place in my bag. Here's one from January and another one from Feb. BTW - sharpness wise, I think the Samyang is amongst my sharpest lenses. Certainly better than any kit lens I've used.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1461/24524935695_bd9b9bef26_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DnbGWT)
Fishy Bridge (https://flic.kr/p/DnbGWT) by Paul Kaye (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_kaye/), on Flickr


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1679/25268947650_966ebcd051_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EuVXMd)
Another of Chesterton Windmill (https://flic.kr/p/EuVXMd) by Paul Kaye (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_kaye/), on Flickr

Dave in Wales
7th March 2016, 10:23 AM
Maybe Paul, I may just have to add the Samyang to my one lens outfit :D

Aberaeron
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/422/18842283813_b692f2b282_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/uH2Cwi)P6290066-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/uH2Cwi) by Dave in Wales (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59378220@N04/), on Flickr

katran
7th March 2016, 10:41 AM
I'm selling my 8mm FT mount version...not sure how much difference that extra half a mm makes to the FOV though!

I do not think there is any real difference between 2 for the angle of view.

There is one thing which has to be mentioned.
Many people complain on the internet about quality-control problems for the Samyang lenses. Decentering is often a problem for Samyang lenses.

I have an Samyang 8mm which I bought it used.
I noticed the left side is softer compared to the right side. So my lens is decentered.
Right side is sharp enough for me, but left side is too soft - good only for personal&ocasional use.



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pdk42
7th March 2016, 02:34 PM
I agree about Samyang QC. The 7.5 FE has a reputation for focus calibration problem - including stopping short of infinity focus. Mine is borderline in this respect, but I almost never use it wide open at distant subjects so it's not a big deal. This particular problem is fixable though - you just need to adjust the screw thread on the rearmost element. There's a post over on mu-43.com about it.

katran
7th March 2016, 02:39 PM
Yes, the calibration of the focus ring is another issue which happens very often for Samyang, but at least it can be fixed at home.

The decentered lens issue can be fixed only in service. This happens when one element is not perfectly centered - ussually is the front element.