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MargaretR
13th January 2015, 11:48 AM
Does anyone know / have an opinion on whether the EM-10 body is suitable for infra red conversion? Or I guess, these kinds of mirrorless m43 bodies in general...

I have emailed ACS to ask this very question, but with no response as yet, I'd like a faster idea if this is even possible to consider, or if there's something about mirrorless/m43 that would rule it out. Can't see why there would be, but I'm no expert.


And as an addendum - is ACS the only place in the UK to do such conversions on other than the bog-standard Canikon DSLRs? (I know about Protech, but they only do Canon/Nikon, therefore are no use)

Invicta
13th January 2015, 12:56 PM
I do not know about the EM-10 but ACS did my IR conversion on an Olympus Pen.

At the time I asked ACS about a model not on their list of camera bodies for IR conversion and the response back was along the lines of: we have not done it before, it should be doable but it would be at your risk.

I am very happy with my EPL3 conversion by ACS.

MargaretR
13th January 2015, 02:08 PM
Thanks. I saw the Pen on ACS' list of cameras, but not the OM-D series, which is why I asked.

Apparently, LifePixel in the US converts OM-D models, so it's do-able (answering my own original question!), but of course would involve the costs of sending to/from the US, and is more expensive than the standard ACS cost. But OTOH, they also offer a wider choice of filters.

Arrgh, decisions, decisions! ... :eek: ... I can foresee getting so undecided, I end up doing nothing at all!

byegad
13th January 2015, 02:25 PM
Do keep us posted. I quite fancy getting one of my PENs converted and would love to see some results before I pay out.

drmarkf
13th January 2015, 05:08 PM
Yes, me too. My daughter has returned my E-PL1 that I lent her ages ago and this would be a good use for it.

WPJ
13th January 2015, 05:26 PM
Following with interest. :-)

Ralph Harwood
13th January 2015, 06:16 PM
Hi there Margaret!

I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be able to convert an E-M10, it is probably very similar inside to the Pen cameras, with just the additional evf at the top. I did my own conversion of an E-420 which you can see in the E-420 section of the forum to see what sort of a job it is to do - and if you fancy trying yourself! The only additional difficulty with the E-M10 is the IS mechanism which is quite delicate, but I think that the system in the PEN range is the same (3 axis not 5 as the E-M5 and 1).

The only other thing I would add is that if you choose to go full spectrum you can fit other filters to your lenses to choose which effect you would like - if you choose 720nm then you can go further into the infra red, 850nm or even higher, but not lower so you wouldn't be able to use the 590nm or 650nm filters. I went full spectrum because I wasn't sure which I would want. As it happens my favourite is 850nm, but cinverting to that would be very limiting.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Ralph

MargaretR
13th January 2015, 08:53 PM
Thanks Ralph.

Gosh - more decisions! I don't think I would even attempt a self-conversion. ... :eek:

However, getting full spectrum done may worth considering .... except I presume you then have to get a set of filters for each different lens size? Or just use one lens. Part of my wanting to get an EM-10 done is so that I can potentially use all the lenses that I've accumulated since going m4/3, so having to buy a raft of filters for each one would be a bit of a bind.

I spent an hour today on LifePixel's website, looking at sample shots and watching videos. I'd like to the option to do both false colour and B&W, but they offer several options, from 590nm through to 720nm, and I can't figure out if I'd want/need anything below 720. If I did, I'd have to go via them, as ACS don't seem to offer these options (only 720 or 850), so it all becomes more expensive all round.

I shall have to ponder on this a while longer... :)

Westy
13th January 2015, 08:54 PM
I believe the Panasonic cameras are easier to convert due to the lack of inbuilt IS. :)

MargaretR
13th January 2015, 09:11 PM
Well, b*gger. Just had a reply from ACS:

"Im sorry we dont undertake IR conversions on any of the Olympus cameras."

Hmm, so why is the Pen still listed on your website then? And why have people here had them done by you in the past? *shrug

Oh well, their loss. .. *smug

LifePixel it shall be then! Once I decide exactly what I'm doing...

drmarkf
13th January 2015, 09:31 PM
LifePixel it shall be then! Once I decide exactly what I'm doing...

They seem to have a 20% sale on at the moment.

Peter_Hartland
13th January 2015, 09:48 PM
ACS converted my Panasonic G3 last year. Took it along to the Photography Show & got it back in a week. Very pleased with it as I was with the Canon 10 they did some 8 yrs ago

Wee man
13th January 2015, 10:05 PM
Can you remember the cost for the G3?

David M
13th January 2015, 11:36 PM
Do you have to put the memory card in the camera in total darkness if it's been converted? :D

peak4
14th January 2015, 01:18 AM
Do you have to put the memory card in the camera in total darkness if it's been converted? :D

Not at all, you just have to swap the red dome on your darkroom light for a blue one.
I understand the Police have them available on some of their cars, but you just have to be quite quick and slightly clandestine in your approach. :D

David M
14th January 2015, 01:36 AM
Thanks Bill. Blue lights are readily available over here as they're used on snow removal machinery. :D

MargaretR
14th January 2015, 08:33 AM
They seem to have a 20% sale on at the moment.

Yes. Extra pressure!! :eek:

Can't do anything constructive till the weekend anyway, in terms of packaging/posting anything off, so hoping the sale lasts till then...

MargaretR
17th January 2015, 03:58 PM
Well, for anyone wondering about the outcome of my ponderings (the rest of you can freely ignore!), I have taken the plunge, and signed up to send LifePixel an EM-10 body for conversion. Their sale of 20%-off is still on, so between saving $85 that way, and the current dollar rate, it's costing not much more than getting a conversion from ACS in the UK would have - 276 versus 250. Of course I still have the cost of shipping it to Seattle to factor in, but courier costs to Norwich wouldn't be cheap either, so I'm all right with that. The EM-10 will be heading West early next week once I can get to a proper post office. .. :D I can't believe companies in the UK don't want the business of converting Olympus bodies. .. *shrug

Anyway, having researched the various options LifePixel provide for filters, I've gone for a 590nm "super color" one. (Which ACS doesn't offer anyway) On the principle that if the false colour is there to begin with, you can always take it out, but if it's not, you can't add it back in. I've found with my converted Canon compact (720nm) that I often feel the scene needs either more false colour than 720 gives, or it has to be B&W, since I can't get the sort of look I'd like. Hopefully 590 will give a greater range to play with; which is exactly what I did with the various sample RAW files from the LifePixel website before making the choice!

So the die is cast. A few weeks to get it back, a few more to get to grips with it (I hope!), and I'll post some samples. Hopefully the Olympus quality will shine through, even if my own doesn't!! :D

Peter_Hartland
17th January 2015, 10:32 PM
Have fun with it & often considered if the colour way the way to go.

drmarkf
17th January 2015, 11:28 PM
Excellent: I'll be very interested to see how you get on.

Ralph Harwood
18th January 2015, 12:14 PM
Hi there Margaret!

I would be very interested in seeing some pictures from your camera when you get it back. I have a 590nm filter for my full spectrum camera but have never really got on with the false colour conversions.

Cheers,

Ralph

MargaretR
18th January 2015, 01:22 PM
Thanks Ralph & others. I will post some once I get the feel of it. I don't care myself for the kind of 'glowing' in-yer-face false colours that some go for, but it's nice to have a choice to tone it down as far as I think the scene may need. And as in my limited experience, every scene needs something different, there's a bit of range to play with. :)

MargaretR
6th February 2015, 05:52 PM
So, an update to the saga.....

I packed up an EM-10 body, and sent it off to LifePixel in the US for IR conversion. It cost a bit, but I knew it would. It took a week to get there - fair enough, they contacted me promptly on receipt. Their message said 7-10 working days to convert, they actually turned it around in 2 days! Very pleased with that. And they shipped it back to me on the Friday of last week, having only received it themselves on the Tuesday. Can't ask for more so far. It went from Seattle (Friday) to London by the Sunday.

THEN. Following all this on US Postal Service tracking .... it sat in Customs Clearance for 3 days doing nothing. Then it showed "Fees to pay, customer being contacted". Well, a bit of online research later ... and do you know how the glorious British postal service contacts you about customs fees? By paper letter delivery! Really?? in the 21st century??

So it's taken another 2 days for the letter to come 20 miles from the depot, with the reference number, without which you can't do anything. I opened it today, and just about fell on my back at the amount being demanded. Mind you, the customs fee was only a tenner, but the bulk of it was bloody VAT, which really hacks me off ... I'm taxed a bundle on bringing my own camera (which I already paid VAT on when I bought it) back into the country?! How does that work?

And then the final insult - Parcelforce charges a further 13 quid ransom fee ... sorry "handling fee"... just to do their flaming job and deliver the thing! And not only that, because I'm not at home during the working week, I've had to pay EXTRA on top for Saturday delivery tomorrow!:mad:

I tell you - never again. The IR conversion may turn out to be the bees' knees, but never again will I send something out of the country to be repaired, converted or otherwise worked on ... our government just gouges too much out of you to get it back again. It's cost me literally twice as much to get the damn thing back into the UK than it did to send it out.

I apologise for the rant, but honestly. Annoyed doesn't begin to cover it.

So I can't fault LifePixel, but boy, I better be able to get some totally brilliant images on this thing now when I finally get my hands on it!! And I'll be counting the literal cost of each one...

drmarkf
6th February 2015, 10:16 PM
Ouch. That's a right pain: I'm sorry for you.

If I am going to do this it Makes me think about getting it done and then arranging to have it sent to my accommodation when I'm next in the States (there are opportunities for that going wrong, of course, but I did it with a Markins ballhead a few years ago and saved nearly 80).

Ralph Harwood
6th February 2015, 11:13 PM
Ouch. That's a right pain: I'm sorry for you.

If I am going to do this it Makes me think about getting it done and then arranging to have it sent to my accommodation when I'm next in the States (there are opportunities for that going wrong, of course, but I did it with a Markins ballhead a few years ago and saved nearly 80).

Sounds like a great excuse for a New York mini break! The cost of postage and import taxes was one of the reasons I decided to be brave and convert my own - even if it had been a total write off it would have cost less than the postage and taxes! I don't know if I would have been brave enough to convert a new camera though - mine was only worth 70 when I decided to have a go!

Margaret - Hopefully the high pressure next week will bring some sunny days, I would love to see some images from your new camera when you get chance to take it out!

Cheers,

Ralph.

PS In defence of Parcel Force - 13 for a letter and storage until you collect it does sound steep, but just think of the cost if the letter had to be sent by a Lawyer! I'm not certain, but I think all the major carriers charge similar amounts.

MargaretR
7th February 2015, 10:34 AM
Ouch. That's a right pain: I'm sorry for you.

If I am going to do this it Makes me think about getting it done and then arranging to have it sent to my accommodation when I'm next in the States (there are opportunities for that going wrong, of course, but I did it with a Markins ballhead a few years ago and saved nearly 80).

Yes, that sounds like a plan. I was on holiday in the US early last year, and a couple of the group members bought online at US prices, and had the goods delivered to the hotel. They saved a bundle. As long as your accommodation would hold a package for you, you'd certainly save a lot on the VAT, at any rate! :rolleyes:

MargaretR
7th February 2015, 10:41 AM
Sounds like a great excuse for a New York mini break! The cost of postage and import taxes was one of the reasons I decided to be brave and convert my own - even if it had been a total write off it would have cost less than the postage and taxes! I don't know if I would have been brave enough to convert a new camera though - mine was only worth 70 when I decided to have a go!

Margaret - Hopefully the high pressure next week will bring some sunny days, I would love to see some images from your new camera when you get chance to take it out!

Cheers,

Ralph.

PS In defence of Parcel Force - 13 for a letter and storage until you collect it does sound steep, but just think of the cost if the letter had to be sent by a Lawyer! I'm not certain, but I think all the major carriers charge similar amounts.

Thank Ralph. At least Parcelforce delivered promptly just after 9am today, so I have a floor strewn with polystyrene 'peanuts', and a battery charging up for initial testing. Hopefully tomorrow looks fairly sunny, so it'll be some local images to figure out the best WB, and get some test profiles made, then it's all systems go. Now, if I just didn't have to work 5 days a week, and could get out whenever I wanted to.. ... :( . but they tell me patience is a virtue ...:p

Some sample images will be forthcoming once I get a handle on it all.

Peter_Hartland
7th February 2015, 10:07 PM
Are you sure you needed to pay the Vat etc, I would chenille that as it was your camera sent out.

Ralph Harwood
8th February 2015, 11:12 AM
I think you have to pay the VAT on the service you received, rather than the camera body itself.

Ian
8th February 2015, 11:30 AM
So, an update to the saga.....

I packed up an EM-10 body, and sent it off to LifePixel in the US for IR conversion. It cost a bit, but I knew it would. It took a week to get there - fair enough, they contacted me promptly on receipt. Their message said 7-10 working days to convert, they actually turned it around in 2 days! Very pleased with that. And they shipped it back to me on the Friday of last week, having only received it themselves on the Tuesday. Can't ask for more so far. It went from Seattle (Friday) to London by the Sunday.

THEN. Following all this on US Postal Service tracking .... it sat in Customs Clearance for 3 days doing nothing. Then it showed "Fees to pay, customer being contacted". Well, a bit of online research later ... and do you know how the glorious British postal service contacts you about customs fees? By paper letter delivery! Really?? in the 21st century??

So it's taken another 2 days for the letter to come 20 miles from the depot, with the reference number, without which you can't do anything. I opened it today, and just about fell on my back at the amount being demanded. Mind you, the customs fee was only a tenner, but the bulk of it was bloody VAT, which really hacks me off ... I'm taxed a bundle on bringing my own camera (which I already paid VAT on when I bought it) back into the country?! How does that work?

And then the final insult - Parcelforce charges a further 13 quid ransom fee ... sorry "handling fee"... just to do their flaming job and deliver the thing! And not only that, because I'm not at home during the working week, I've had to pay EXTRA on top for Saturday delivery tomorrow!:mad:

I tell you - never again. The IR conversion may turn out to be the bees' knees, but never again will I send something out of the country to be repaired, converted or otherwise worked on ... our government just gouges too much out of you to get it back again. It's cost me literally twice as much to get the damn thing back into the UK than it did to send it out.

I apologise for the rant, but honestly. Annoyed doesn't begin to cover it.

So I can't fault LifePixel, but boy, I better be able to get some totally brilliant images on this thing now when I finally get my hands on it!! And I'll be counting the literal cost of each one...

You can't single out ParcelForce, in my experience all the courier companies have the same obligations and work similarly. I had to pay for VAT on an item sent for evaluation from outside the EU (couriered by FedEx). The item wasn't mine, I had not paid for it but, I still had to pay with service charges on top.

Ian

Ian
8th February 2015, 11:38 AM
I had a Pen converted a few years ago: http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13716 (720nm).

The work was done by ACS (http://www.advancedcameraservices.co.uk/Specialist_UV_IR_cameras/index.html) and cost about £200 (correction, excluding VAT). Their current price is £250 excl.VAT. They probably could do an E-M10 but it's not on their price list.

Ian

PS Sounds competitive to LifePixel - Margaret did you pat $425?

MargaretR
8th February 2015, 03:59 PM
I had a Pen converted a few years ago: http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13716 (720nm).

The work was done by ACS (http://www.advancedcameraservices.co.uk/Specialist_UV_IR_cameras/index.html) and cost about £200 (correction, excluding VAT). Their current price is £250 excl.VAT. They probably could do an E-M10 but it's not on their price list.

Ian

PS Sounds competitive to LifePixel - Margaret did you pat $425?

I queried ACS, and they told me they don't convert Olympus cameras. Which surprised me, as someone on here had already mentioned getting a PEN done by them. But I can only take them at their word.

And I paid LifePixel the $425, minus their 20% sale discount, which came to something like $85 off. Not too different to ACS, apart from all the taxes! And actually done in only 2 days, compared to the several weeks ACS quote on their website.