View Full Version : First offering to "Looking for perfection"

18th October 2008, 02:39 PM
Thought I'd submit a pic for critical comments. I took this around mid-day on a bright sunny day with a little cloud. Any comments appreciated

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/508/medium/Camerton_Church.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8862)

The only PP done was a slight crop at the bottom to cut out some foreground grass and a little colour saturation

18th October 2008, 02:50 PM
Aha.. Looking for perfection eh?

Its a nice picture, composition wise, but personally I would like to remove the little bits of tree peeking into the right hand side...

Just my 2p


18th October 2008, 03:45 PM
That makes 4p, as I'd do the same crop at minimum. You may want to try pushing the crop right across to the black drainpipe in the corner, above the forground headstone. It's a dramatic crop, but sometimes they work, especially with tall subjects.

Is the church really leaning, if not then straighten it up. Even if it isn't straightening it may help.

Overall a nice composition, good detail in the shadows and great colours.


18th October 2008, 04:50 PM
thanks for the suggestions - have tried them and here is the result. Not sure about the severe crop but agree the branches on the right needed to go. Have put a ruler on the centre of the steeple and it is now straight but does it still appears to have a slight lean on it.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/medium/Camerton_Church_crop.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8875)

Nick Temple-Fry
18th October 2008, 05:05 PM
Welcome to the lions den.

Churches are a lot harder than people think, there tends to be lots of dark green conifers around them. There is a clutter of gravestones, often in various states of order. They have a distressing habit of being aligned East to West. And, because the graveyard is the aspirational location for the middle classes, there are often quite large houses competing with the mature trees to block the light.

This is a nice shot, there is a diagonal through the gravestones giving them shape, the tower is framed by the lhs tree. The conifer on the rhs needs trimming back and I'm a bit perturbed by the well defined shadow also on the rhs, but I think Grahams crop is slightly too drastic.

Certainly a building well worth study; now how about some interior shots, there you can pit your artistry with light against the experts who built the church.


18th October 2008, 06:26 PM
Aha.. Looking for perfection eh?

Its a nice picture, composition wise, but personally I would like to remove the little bits of tree peeking into the right hand side...


I think your cropping in the revised image is too severe, perhaps you should just try cloning out the small unattached foliage to the right side in the clouds as Pete suggests.



19th October 2008, 04:04 PM
I think it's a difficult church to photograph because of the white rendering.

I think I agree about cropping/cloning out the upper bits of the tree on the right, but apart from that I think it's probably the best picture you can get of the place. The little steeple will probably look lopsided unless you can get equal shadows on it, they're awfully hard to photograph.

I wonder, have you experimented with either mono or sepia, to see what it looks like? Just an idea, not a criticism.

20th October 2008, 10:32 AM
Have taken on board all the useful comments and here are some amended pics based on those suggestions. Not sure if the BW and Sepia ones work for me. I love colour - especially slightly saturated colour.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/medium/Camerton_Church_crop2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8911)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/medium/Camerton_Church_crop2_BW.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8912)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/medium/Camerton_Church_crop2_sepia.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8913)

Again thanks for all your comments.

20th October 2008, 01:18 PM
For me, the sepia one works best of all.

(I thought the colour version was way too saturated btw.)

20th October 2008, 06:39 PM
My choice is the colour version, now much improved,
but like Makonde feel it still needs the saturation reducing.



21st October 2008, 10:33 AM
It's interesting, don't you think, how each of the pictures is so different.

11th November 2008, 01:08 PM
Is cloning allowed? I'd clone the rh tree branches out while keeping the full shot.
Just my pennorth.:o