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brian1208
7th March 2014, 04:24 PM
I wondered how you felt about starting a thread dedicated to shots obtained using the oly 60 f2.8 macro?

If you think its a good idea please feel free to add you pics here

Anyway, I succumbed and got my macro lens out on the EM-1 and oh dear, was I rusty! :o

I managed to remember a little of my craft and a few obliging subjects arrived but I need to get my "Fly Training skills" honed as they weren't listening when I gave them shooting instructions ;)

I also noticed that the EM-1 shows a tendency to noticeable moiré on things like the reticulation of a fly's eye so I may revert to the EM-5 in future - a bit more testing will tell

My success rate was in the order of 1:30 today (should be about 1:5 when I'm in practise) and none of them are stunning shots but they are my first of the year *chr

All are shot hand-held using my SAF + half-press to lock then body rock for final focus technique

A male common gnat (see the large feathery antenna, super subjects when everything works right)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3653/12991605165_0a8ea8a47c_z.jpg

Very shallow DOF from using f3.5 (to keep the shutter speed up) detail lost from moiré correction and only the right eye sharp

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7351/12991725863_7fb26cf628_z.jpg

same fly and settings but left eye sharp

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2059/12991605695_3943fb5b17_z.jpg


A buff tailed bumble bee resting on the fence in very strong light and shade. I had to lean against the fence to get this side shot

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/12991606135_99616a01bb_z.jpg

A 100% crop of the same bee (but different shot) showing foot detail and a little of the eye and antenna (but not as good as it should be)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2728/12991606365_43b6ec7a53_z.jpg

Top view of a Flesh fly resting on a grubby Pieris forrestii leaf

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3553/12991606005_712cf23980_z.jpg

StephenL
7th March 2014, 04:44 PM
I don't know. First of all you clean your windows, then you hypnotise your flies. Whatever next? Lion taming in the back garden? Great macro shots!

Ian
7th March 2014, 05:39 PM
Great idea for a thread!

Ian

Mrs T
7th March 2014, 06:15 PM
Great shots, rusty or not!

The bee is my favourite.

brian1208
7th March 2014, 06:26 PM
then you hypnotise your flies. Whatever next?

Later in the year I have them performing on command! :D

(Friends at the camera club reckon I carry a set of trained bugs with me wherever I go, a bit like the old style flea-circus but its not true, they are all stuffed - oops :o )

StephenL
7th March 2014, 06:42 PM
Friends at the camera club reckon I carry a set of trained bugs with me wherever I go, a bit like the old style flea-circus but its not true, they are all stuffed - oops :o

Dibnah also carries her own bugs with her, but I'd hardly call them (or her) trained ...

Peter_Hartland
7th March 2014, 08:29 PM
Nice set of images

Rocknroll59
7th March 2014, 09:27 PM
Good idea....i'm seriously thinking about getting this lens, so no doubt would post when the chance comes...BTW the fly shots are my favourites...

Cheers


Peter:)

brian1208
7th March 2014, 09:42 PM
thanks Peter, its an excellent lens and quite versatile too, works well as a short telephoto, portrait lens and walk-about in addition to being a macro lens

Olybirder
7th March 2014, 10:03 PM
Some nice macro images there Brian. When you are rocking backwards and forwards to get focus do you have the image enlarged in the viewfinder or normal size?

Ron

Greytop
7th March 2014, 10:53 PM
Excellent shots Brian, the 60 mm is one of my favourite lenses.

Here are a few from me, I hope you don't mind :)
These are all from last year with my E-M5 and the 60 mm.

Damsels by the Thames
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P6161001_2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/62893)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P6160998.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/62845)

Green bottle
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5250067.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/61036)

Friendly frog
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5270191.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/60931)

Hover fly
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5029364.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/60028)

An exotic butterfly at Wisley Gardens glass house
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P1267570.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/56865)

Olybirder
7th March 2014, 11:03 PM
Very nice Huw. Banded Demoiselles are always a pleasure to see and I really like the Green Bottle. I can't wait to try my 60mm on some wildlife now the weather is improving.

Ron

brian1208
7th March 2014, 11:05 PM
Excellent stuff Huw, all my favourite subjects :)

The detail of fly's heads is quite stunning isn't it, look like its been engineered from bright stainless steel, I'm looking forward to getting back into this genre as the year progresses.

Ron, I tend to shoot with the magnified view off unless the subject is quite torpid as I try to consider the composition as well as the focus point.

A sleepy fly or feeding spider may well be steady enough to use 5X mag as a final focus check but I rarely go any higher these day

brian1208
8th March 2014, 08:16 AM
Here are a few from me, I hope you don't mind :)

Missed this comment Huw, no, that is why I put the thread up, so we can all contribute our macro work taken using this wonderful little lens :)

Phill D
8th March 2014, 08:39 AM
Great macros guys. I can see this is going to be an impressive thread. Shame I don't have a 60mm macro to contribute :( but I'll still enjoy looking.

stevewestern
8th March 2014, 08:49 AM
Some fantastic pictures - I have never really tried any macro work but am interested in the 60mm lens in part to try macro, but also as a portrait lens - can any of you owners give me any feedback as to how well suited it is to general use - is it much slower to focus than say the 45mm f1.8 ?

brian1208
8th March 2014, 08:58 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7388/13005593035_272d13f1de_z.jpg

An example of "Fly Hypnotism" :D

I have found that if you approach any insect, fly, bee, hover etc from a low angle its possible to get very close without spooking them. The trick is to stop shadow from falling on the light sensors on the top of their head

Something I need to get back into as it can be quite hard work at the start of each macro season (but its very satisfying when it works :) )

The image is a crop to about 30% of the original frame width

Just seen your query Steve, yes it is slower focusing than the 45 f1.8 but its an excellent all rounder despite that and focus is fast enough for most uses (I've even shot close-up birds in flight with it). The resolution makes it a good choice for landscape work, either for a slightly compressed single shot (good for "layered" effects) or for shooting panoramic images (I have one made of 18 frames and the distant resolution and sharpness is stunning). Having said that, if you aren't planning to use it for macro work then something like the 75 f1.8 would be my preferred choice

bredman
8th March 2014, 10:27 AM
Here's a couple from me. Great little lens.

1/125 f8 iso800

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/9891000364_e8e35a0cb1_b.jpg

1/125 f5.6 iso800

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3787/9675594731_069574a9bb_b.jpg

1/125 f9 iso1250

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8534/8943804503_39e74a1aa7_b.jpg

brian1208
8th March 2014, 10:59 AM
nice ones Pete, 2nd and 3rd get my vote :)

brian1208
8th March 2014, 11:09 AM
Its a lovely cool morning with a real feel of Spring, so I dug out my Metz ring flash and stuck it on the 60mm macro with the EM-1 behind

One benefit of the EM-1 is that with the flash sync port I can use my flash sync cable which I have found allows me to exceed the stated 1/160th sec flash sync of the ring flash (so the following shots were with 1/400th sec) Using the gun in this mode allows me full manual control over power and light balance which is fine for the way I shoot

I had the camera set to ISO100, using manual exposure so controlling both shutter and aperture independently. In these shots I was using the aperture at f7.1

The subject was a hoverfly, which insisted on hiding behind the leaves of the bamboo in which it was warming itself up (as they do) but I thought the results weren't too bad for day 2 , see what you think :)


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7392/13007113535_eaede40a6c_z.jpg


These were on the Pieris forrestii


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3635/13007113665_ff88fd9d1f_z.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2014/13007251303_cd281500f1_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7347/13007113545_4ccbae573a_z.jpg

brian1208
8th March 2014, 11:58 AM
I'm getting my technique back slowly, this shot I am quite pleased with, its a Male Common Gnat showing the feathery antenna (diagnostic of the male), the mouth parts and the clasper at the rear end.

I love the way their wings are iridescent when the light is right

the flower is Winter Jasmine

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3716/13007827575_319bc28247_z.jpg

Crop of head detail

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7328/13008733253_25de1e8720_z.jpg

and the other end, (not so clear, must try for another shot of this)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2484/13008733203_245a3c00b5.jpg

Just now and then I get lucky, this male gnat landed in just the right place for me to get the shot. I had to focus on the edge of the leaf then rock the focus to get the gnat sharp. This is probably the best shot I have got to date of one of these irritating but fascinating insects. (missed it taking off again though ;) )

Its an un-resized crop of about 1000 pix on the longest side

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7365/13011257183_a020949034_c.jpg

brian1208
8th March 2014, 10:30 PM
Got my fly hypnotism working again :)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3119/13019094715_a6a5e1847e_z.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3421/13019095215_b21f731f8f_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7304/13019258163_eb51a5f7ec_z.jpg

StephenL
8th March 2014, 10:39 PM
Of course, one has to ask how you attract the flies in the first place ...

Wish I could get decent macro shots.

gregles
8th March 2014, 11:04 PM
Some crackers among these*yes

Only fly I have seen lately was a fruit fly trying to steal my pint of Corby Red down pub;)

brian1208
9th March 2014, 01:08 AM
Of course, one has to ask how you attract the flies in the first place ... I can let you have some of my after shave Stephen - "Eau de Corpse" :D

There are always plenty around, part of the knack is seeing them, which for me involves a lot of standing around looking vacant until I see something move out of the corner of my eye.

Its something I sometimes struggle with when teaching people macro shooting, they want to look through the viewfinder to start firing off shots and I have to make them put it down and look long enough to really see what is about.

Then they have something to look through the viewfinder at and can consider framing a picture

edmund473
9th March 2014, 10:20 AM
Yes they are all great shots. I have this lens I hope to be able to achieve macro's like these and I would be very happy.

brian1208
9th March 2014, 11:08 AM
I have this lens I hope to be able to achieve macro's like these and I would be very happy.

Please share some of you images here, its getting lonely :)

Its only a question of practise, the camera and lens do the rest of it for you :)

brian1208
9th March 2014, 11:15 AM
This one was a really difficult shot to light as it was an extreme contra-jour shot where my only view point was directly into the light.

Lit using the Metz flash I got the light right for the subject (after a few experiments) which resulted in the background going black) but I think its worked.

Its a Daddy Longlegs spider which has caught a couple of gnats in its rudimentary web



http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/13030721883_6b01c291bf_c.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2153/13030721653_8c08a45df5_c.jpg

brian1208
9th March 2014, 12:13 PM
I managed to extract the leaf of Pampas grass on which this spider was hunting and get a shot with the light coming from behind, I not sure its any better for it (had to shoot one handed as I was holding the grass) but it does show a different aspect of the spider.

In the half hour or so it had added another two victims to its larder, hunting is obviously good today :) )

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2233/13031565785_b822921dc1_c.jpg

brian1208
10th March 2014, 02:28 PM
One of my favourite hunting spiders, the Wolf Spider.

This is quite a small one and required some one-handed shooting as it was hiding inside the canopy of our Pieris forrestii (which I had to carefully lift away)


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2727/13060524055_4e118968da_c.jpg,

shot using the Metz ring flash at 1/16th power with ISO 200, f8 with ISO400 for 1/400th sec, focusing on the eyes using single point smallest focus + 5x mag

brian1208
10th March 2014, 04:17 PM
I think I'm beginning to get my eye in again after the winter macro layoff, this is a 100% crop showing the compound eye of a Female Common Gnat (no feathery antenna)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3395/13063007014_0728faa71b_z.jpg

and a slightly more scary shot of a False Widow my wife found in our shed. Whilst not aggressive they will bite if disturbed and can cause some damage if you happen to be allergic to them so be aware of them (more common down here in the South of England apparently)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7401/13062804353_67f8e138e8_c.jpg

Greytop
10th March 2014, 06:00 PM
Great shots Brian, I promise to take some more next time I get an opportunity :)

Olybirder
10th March 2014, 06:02 PM
The detail in the head of that female gnat is extraordinary Brian. You are getting some superb results from the lens.

Ron

brian1208
10th March 2014, 06:26 PM
thanks Huw and Ron, nice to hear from you, I was feeling lonely ;)

I look forward to seeing some more pics Huw.

Ron, that's about equal to the best I was able to get using my 5Dmk2 + 100LIS macro so I'm fairly happy with the EM-1 + 60 f2.8 (and I reckon there is more to come as I improve on my technique :) )

Ross the fiddler
15th March 2014, 01:33 AM
This lens is not the best for this use (it was the lens on the E-M5 at the time). :rolleyes:

The Orange Thief!
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/O3154396-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71219)

*ohwell

*chr

brian1208
15th March 2014, 07:36 AM
nearly a great shot Ross :)

I find that the 60mm can be an excellent short range birding lens, is a little slower to focus than some.

In this case its clearly decided to focus on the foliage top right, which focus point(s) were you using?

Phill D
15th March 2014, 07:39 AM
Wow Brian I'd definitely say you'd got your eye in. Superb macros. Haven't got a 60 macro but I may dig out my old 50mm 4/3s lens and have a go just to see what I can get.

brian1208
15th March 2014, 08:32 AM
Thanks, its coming together slowly, once I'm confident I can do it consistently again I have some projects I want to work on this year, then hopefully there maybe something a bit special to see :)

I look forward to seeing what you can get with the 50mm lens, it is a good piece of kit by all reports

Ross the fiddler
15th March 2014, 09:34 AM
nearly a great shot Ross :)

I find that the 60mm can be an excellent short range birding lens, is a little slower to focus than some.

In this case its clearly decided to focus on the foliage top right, which focus point(s) were you using?

Yes, it is good for sitting birds up close, but when they take to wing a faster focussing (& longer) lens is needed, but then it took flight because I was up close. :rolleyes:

brian1208
15th March 2014, 05:11 PM
another new species today, posing on our variegated Laurel, as seems to be the case for most of my bug shots so far this year. Its one of the Ichneumon wasp family and looks very new and bright.

EM-1 + 60mm macro with the Metz flash on front using ISO200, f9, 1/400th sec with the flash dialled down to 1/32 power. SAF, half-press then rock to focus using the smallest single point focus

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2536/13170833445_b80274e239_c.jpg

Ross the fiddler
15th March 2014, 10:15 PM
That's a good catch Brian. Do you have a diffuser (like the FL50R version) on your Metz flash. If not, there are generic ones or other softeners & deflectors (reflectors) available from ebay sellers & that helps for these occasions. Even a sheet of white paper can be used to either reflect or diffuse too.

brian1208
15th March 2014, 10:42 PM
thanks Ross, it comes with a translucent diffuser that fits over the surface of the ring and I can also change the angles and ratio of the two light bars, one on each side (so its not truly a "Ring" flash although the internal reflectors make it a good approximation :) )

Bluegrass Jim
15th March 2014, 11:14 PM
Hello Brian,
Here's my contribution to your thread, it's not up to your level but I certainly agree that the 60mm is a brilliant lens and I'm looking forward to getting out with it again.

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Small_Copper_with_60mm.jpg

This was the first one of these butterflies I had seen for quite a few years last summer, on the same day I saw a Comma which is quite far north for them given that I am in Central Scotland.
Regards Jim.

bredman
16th March 2014, 02:32 AM
A couple more i liked from last summer. While waiting for the opportunity to use the 60mm this year.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5461/8863480746_f2ab810c83_c.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7326/9094908526_9edc9e11f9_b.jpg

brian1208
16th March 2014, 03:11 AM
thanks for your contributions Jim and Peter

Jim, that looks like a Small Copper and its a cracking image of it, loads of detail and a nice composition showing the environment. Nice soft Bokeh too

Pete, I like the unusual angle on the White (or is it a Brimstone, can't quite make it out from the shot?) You got the focus spot on the eyes with this one but still managed to keep detail of all the antenna. As you may have guessed, I'm a sucker for Bumble shots and you nailed this one, lovely soft fur detail (have you ever stroked a Bumble, the fur really is as soft as it looks.)

Please add more like these guys, it shows what the system can do in competent hands :)

bredman
16th March 2014, 01:50 PM
Pete, I like the unusual angle on the White (or is it a Brimstone, can't quite make it out from the shot?) You got the focus spot on the eyes with this one but still managed to keep detail of all the antenna. As you may have guessed, I'm a sucker for Bumble shots and you nailed this one, lovely soft fur detail (have you ever stroked a Bumble, the fur really is as soft as it looks.)

It's a particularly yellow example of a white, freshly emerged i think. Shame i didn't get perfectly sharp antennae -- i thought i'd got it better at the time.

This is the same butterfly, also with 60mm (and no i never stroked a bumble:)).


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2816/8863480906_2044585168_b.jpg

bredman
16th March 2014, 02:07 PM
I think this shot shows quite well what this lens can do. A tiny hoverfly ( the Thick-legged Hoverfly - Syritta pipiens) with apple mint, about 7mm long and they look almost completely black to the naked eye. Just cropped at the sides to make the aspect vertical, below it is a 1:1 crop.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7412/9665734187_59b4fc6f92_b.jpg

and the 'macro' shot :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/9671027124_f445fc42e8_b.jpg

brian1208
16th March 2014, 02:15 PM
that hover shot is a cracker Pete, one of my annual targets to start the macro season is to get a good shot of these in flight so I know how hard it is to achieve :)

Thanks for posting the "Yellow White" which confirms my first thought, I don't think I've ever seen one so yellow before

brian1208
16th March 2014, 02:41 PM
A new species for me this afternoon, very difficult to get a decent focus on the eye as the beetle is less than 5mm long and was hiding under leaves.

Shot without the macro flash this time so just using the ambient light

ISO200 with f5.6 for 1/500th sec. EM-1 + 60mm macro

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3672/13192099523_881e5d1704_c.jpg

Chevvyf1
16th March 2014, 03:12 PM
Huw, those are STAGGERINGLY TERRIFIC !

I feel mine pale into insignificance ...

BUT this one was taken in the Victorian Glass houses at Staunton Park, which are dark as filled with "Jungle like" plants and lots of big green leaves

The 60 is MY FAV lens (well most of the time the 75-300 is too :)


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/PA2401611_Hibiscus_CROP_sm.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/70630)

brian1208
16th March 2014, 03:19 PM
Thanks for joining us Chevvy, its good to have macros that aren't "bugs, bees or butterflies" :)

brian1208
16th March 2014, 04:13 PM
I've just discovered something new to me which may be of interest (or may already be well known?)

With the Metz macro ring flash attached to the EM-1 via the sync ports on body and flash I was a able to fire a 3 shot flash sequence at 6fps. Could be useful for mobile species and maybe flight shots

Settings:

ISO 100, f8 for 1/400th sec with the flash set to 1/16th power.

Each shot in the sequence well lit and focused

Chevvyf1
16th March 2014, 06:29 PM
Brian, I have an animal :) this being a crop of a Swans plumage


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3090235_-1_Swan_plumage_CROP.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71259)

brian1208
16th March 2014, 07:06 PM
We were visited by a nice shiny new Comma this afternoon so I had to take a shot

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7389/13198774784_946658187b_c.jpg

Bluegrass Jim
16th March 2014, 07:51 PM
Hello Brian,
Here's one from this afternoon in my garden when the sun came out, I think these are a type of Lily.

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Spring_Flower.jpg

The flowers are about 2-3 cm in diameter and about 10 cm high, once again the bokeh is nice and soft.
Regards Jim.

brian1208
16th March 2014, 08:05 PM
beautiful little flowers Jim

Ross the fiddler
17th March 2014, 12:11 AM
I've just discovered something new to me which may be of interest (or may already be well known?)

With the Metz macro ring flash attached to the EM-1 via the sync ports on body and flash I was a able to fire a 3 shot flash sequence at 6fps. Could be useful for mobile species and maybe flight shots

Settings:

ISO 100, f8 for 1/400th sec with the flash set to 1/16th power.

Each shot in the sequence well lit and focused

That's the good part of using the flash at low power, it still retains a fair amount of charge & hence will fire off a few shots in sequence. I was delighted with the Stylus 1 having a leaf shutter that it could fire off 7fps with the flash (built in & attached FL36R) keeping up with it (no matter the shutter speed). Anyhow, back to more macro shots with that little 60mm macro lens.

Here,s a few from this morning (using my E-M5 & diffused FL36R flash in FP TTL).

I don't know if it's related to flies or bees or what (wasp?) as it is only 7mm long.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/506/O3174514-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71301)
And a few more in My Gallery (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/1396)

A back end of a bee to show the size difference (clickable to gallery).
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1761/thumbs/O3174508-s.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=71304)

And another of the first small fly or whatever (clickable to gallery).
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1761/thumbs/O3174516-s.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=71305)

This is definitely a fly & one that was more than willing to pose for me.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/506/O3174534-cr-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71302)

Perhaps I should have used more than F8 for a greater DoF, but here is the crop of the above.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/506/O3174534-scr-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71303)

*chr

brian1208
17th March 2014, 12:47 AM
interesting shots Ross, that looks like one of the solitary bee family from the antenna and head /eye shape, no idea which species though :)

I'm finding that its better to use wider apertures and accept some loss of DOF than run into diffraction softening but I guess that is down to personal taste at the end of the day

edit - I've had another look and think it may be a Sawfly not a Bee http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Environment/Biodiversity/Sawfly-Factsheet.aspx

Ross the fiddler
17th March 2014, 03:11 AM
interesting shots Ross, that looks like one of the solitary bee family from the antenna and head /eye shape, no idea which species though :)

I'm finding that its better to use wider apertures and accept some loss of DOF than run into diffraction softening but I guess that is down to personal taste at the end of the day

edit - I've had another look and think it may be a Sawfly not a Bee http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Environment/Biodiversity/Sawfly-Factsheet.aspx

Thanks Brian. Yes it does look like one of the Saw Fly species. I'll have to investigate further. There appeared to be two different size flies hanging about the bush (Cassia - Senna pendula var glabrata, a weed species) & it will give me some more of a challenge to get better shots of these (a little more difficult when there is a breeze).

*chr

brian1208
17th March 2014, 02:18 PM
A couple of shots using the low power (1/16th power) sequential flash with the Metz macro ring, of a Miner Bee I think (it may just be a Sawfly but I can't find one of this size and detail)

EM-1 + 60mm macro, ISO100 for 1/400th sec with f7.1, 6fps with SAF

First contact

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/13219401344_cf5d346cd2_z.jpg

Antenna cleaning

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7348/13219071305_8e751c7003_z.jpg

The first is on our Pieris forrestii and the second on the variegated Laurel

edit, looking through some references I think its a female Andrena fulva - a Tawny Mining bee (the males have white faces). If it is then its another early riser as these don't normally show until April (we have a variety of mining and mason bees in our garden which is an on ground that used to be old rough meadow land, so in addition we get a wide range of Bumbles, Hornets and all sorts of other interesting species visit :) )

kckelleher
18th March 2014, 08:28 PM
Great series of photos.

bredman
19th March 2014, 03:38 PM
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/13267933585_68f4d0bcea_b.jpg

bredman
19th March 2014, 03:39 PM
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3792/13267932775_d7561d7875_b.jpg

brian1208
19th March 2014, 03:46 PM
Two fascinating images, its an abstract macro with great cameos of detailed information and colour. I

Is it germinating seeds?

Olybirder
19th March 2014, 03:47 PM
I like them very much Pete. Lovely colours, shapes and textures. I love the fine hairs on the roots. Great images.

Ron

bredman
19th March 2014, 03:51 PM
Two fascinating images, its an abstract macro with great cameos of detailed information and colour. I

Is it germinating seeds?

White radish seeds. They are the most delicious of the edible sprouts imo :). The seeds themselves are 2mm across.

I actually posted the wrong image with the first one, i meant this one.


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/13268078773_c8dc2af2cb_b.jpg

brian1208
19th March 2014, 03:57 PM
that last one looks good enough to eat Pete :)

Its good to see something different, well done

brian1208
19th March 2014, 04:01 PM
Mine is not that different but its a nice early Spring capture of one of my favourite insects, the Dronefly, in this case on our Prunus "Little Twist" which is a contorta nudiflorum species, pruned to about two foot high with blossoms less than 1/2" diameter

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7094/13268624324_e7cfb71397_c.jpg

Cropped and unresized

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/13268432063_94e2064d52_z.jpg

RogerRamjet
19th March 2014, 09:21 PM
I have found this thread really exciting - so much so that I had to get a 60mm for myself. Well thanks to a seller on this forum I am now the proud owner and here is a selection from my "first light" session. I did have a 4/3 35mm for a while but tbh I have never really tried macro before - there is clearly much to learn, and much to think about.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3190004.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71452)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3190048.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71461)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3190015.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71455)

Not much in the way of bugs around today although found this one under a rock....

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3190030.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71458)

Trouble was - every time I lifted a stone, a large black nose went under it first....

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3190036.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71466)


...Yes.You. (This is a nice versatlie lens)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P3190043.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/71467)

brian1208
19th March 2014, 10:05 PM
Welcome to the "Up close and personal club" Roger some good shots for your "first light" shoot.

I love the expression on your Spaniel in the last, beautifully sharp eyes with good detail in the nose and ears.

Is that a Mahonia japonica with the holly-like leaves, lovey colour

The Millipede? has come out well, could have used a greater DOF but as it is there is good detail and a nice sense of movement

banjukes
21st March 2014, 10:49 PM
The macro is great and the 60mm is great for portrait too judging by the spaniel shot. Another thumbs up for macro.

brian1208
29th March 2014, 12:10 PM
the Aphids are on the roses (cue a battle between my wife who wants to spray and my desire to keep at least one colony for photography :D ) so the ants are also showing

It takes time to get my eye in as they are so darned small and fast but here are my first efforts

feeding on a bit of honeydew from an aphid (these would be better without flash but the light is still not good enough that I can do without at the moment)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7448/13485271285_b05de94de9_b_d.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3711/13485622614_e17b81970e_b_d.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/13485271465_b00ba27df4_b_d.jpg

Bengeo
2nd April 2014, 09:28 PM
Trying out the 60mm f2.8 (at f5.6) with a Pond Skater ....

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/13589819984_9ca941f00c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mGTo27)

Andy

brian1208
2nd April 2014, 09:59 PM
that's an interesting subject to shoot Andy, is it in the water or on a dry surface? (I ask because normally you can see the dimpled water surface where the legs press down onto the water film)

Working with f2.8 you have a very shallow DOF and you appear to have the focus spot on the head and the plane of the body

bredman
2nd April 2014, 10:26 PM
Isn't that a pond skater. Water boatmen are different -- they got the long swimming legs and swim beneath the surface. Great shot btw.

Bengeo
2nd April 2014, 11:10 PM
Brian - it was on water and other shots show the dimpled water, but those areas are out of focus here. It was at f5.6 - have amended the text now.

Pete - thanks for that - you are right. I have amended the text and the Flickr caption too.

Andy

brian1208
3rd April 2014, 07:47 AM
a couple of more routine "record shot" macros recording bug life as it appears in the garden

Alderfly (in the books they say they are sluggish, we have masses of them at the moment and they are all on "Speed" :)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3755/13597656693_3a77a557f0_b_d.jpg

Mayfly, smaller than the ones we usually get in the garden but still nice to see (we live about 400yds from the river Avon so get a fair bit of "riverside" bug life visiting now and then)

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/13560459735_57ecf58b99_b_d.jpg

a bit of a crop, to show that "lovely" face :)

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2862/13560519743_6304eef236_b_d.jpg

brian1208
3rd April 2014, 04:03 PM
I had another try shooting using the monopod today, thinking the extra support my result in sharper and better composed images but it still doesn't work for me.

I'm so hooked into the techniques for shooting hand-held with my AF first lock then body rock for final focus method I couldn't get a single decent shot off the pod!

sapper
7th April 2014, 11:01 AM
Lovely shots. I have a set of auto tubes, wonder if it is worth getting the 60mm 2.8 instead, might be 'cos of the 2.8, but then maybe I am just trying to justify lens lust.

brian1208
7th April 2014, 11:25 AM
Dave, I have some auto tubes too and they work OK on the 75-300 (but not on the 60mm macro - for my style of shooting)

I think that the 60mm macro has to rate as one of the best macro lenses I have owned and it stands up well against the Canon 100 f2.8 LIS (in fact, for me, its better suited to my style)

If you are really into your macro I can highly recommend it

sapper
7th April 2014, 01:22 PM
Thanks Brian. I was really meaning, should I get the 60mm macro or use the tubes with my 100-300 or 12-40mm?

brian1208
7th April 2014, 01:28 PM
Sorry Dave, I should have guessed that, as I said, they work OK with the 75-300 (and probably with the 100-300 also) but for real, quality macro work the 60mm is the tool of choice

Ross the fiddler
7th April 2014, 01:35 PM
Thanks Brian. I was really meaning, should I get the 60mm macro or use the tubes with my 100-300 or 12-40mm?

If you're going to take macro photos, then get the 60mm macro lens, because other methods tend to be stop gaps for the real thing. I recommend it & it can also serve as a short tele lens too (albeit slower focussing than other M4/3's lenses because that's the nature of macro lenses).

OlyPaul
10th April 2014, 11:54 AM
Just joined the club today as my 60mm macro arrived this morning, it seems to be a great lens that I will be using a lot from now on.:)

Not a lot in the garden yet but I had to take a few quick snaps with it.

I should improve with practice with it.:)

Flaming Forest
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1767/20140410_095909.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72077)

Lawn Daisy
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1767/20140410_095752.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72075)

Unknown Growing In Front Lawn
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1767/20140410_095342.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72073)

Magnolia
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1767/20140410_094749.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72069)

Bleeding Hearts.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1767/20140410_094951.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72071)

brian1208
10th April 2014, 12:43 PM
lovely soft OOF background Paul, 1,3 & 5 for me

I look forward to seeing more

brian1208
10th April 2014, 02:16 PM
A few more close shots of a Housefly face (lovely! :D ) and a Dronefly, washing its hands

Dronefly first, to ease you in

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3780/13759580843_b823dc5fe1_o_d.jpg

It turned to face me, seeming totally unconcerned that I was "in its face", this is a reduced size of the original which was 2030 pixels wide

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/13759927714_b462730f8a_b_d.jpg



I know they can look a bit hideous but there is something strangely fascinating about what evolution has produced here :)

The usual set-up, EM-1, 60mm macro, Metz macro ring flash, hand-held

bredman
15th April 2014, 01:37 PM
A 1:1 crop of my favourite bee image. Posted up as i pp this in LR.


<iframe src="https://www.flickr.com/photos/122278067@N06/13611043683/player/" width="1061" height="1061" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe>

bredman
15th April 2014, 01:39 PM
Maybe not. :(

A pity the new Flickr embed feature won't work here as it gives access to all the exif etc.

Can anyone switch this feature on?

brian1208
15th April 2014, 02:59 PM
I haven't found how to do it Pete, in fact I'm not all that keen on the "Improved" look with Flikr

I look forward to seeing the bee when you get it sorted

Phill D
15th April 2014, 06:46 PM
I don't like the new look Flickr either. Nice macros though.

bredman
16th April 2014, 01:16 AM
I look forward to seeing the bee when you get it sorted

It was just this one. This is a 1:1 (100%) crop.


https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/13611043683_abb3592d20_o.jpg

brian1208
16th April 2014, 05:20 AM
Nice work Pete, focus where it should be showing the three light sensors on the top of the head and the beginnings of detail of the compound eye. Its the sort of shot I enjoy getting

Wee man
16th April 2014, 08:23 AM
Some great shots do not have this lens I use the Sigma 150.

Greytop
16th April 2014, 08:46 AM
That's a stunning shot Pete.

Olybirder
16th April 2014, 08:53 AM
Wow, that is a wonderful image Pete.

Ron

Bengeo
16th April 2014, 09:19 AM
Great shot Pete - that looks dangerously close!

My first attempt with the Metz ringflash:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3796/13890532885_298c64eb00_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nasBui)Fly (https://flic.kr/p/nasBui) by Bengeo Photos (https://www.flickr.com/people/32169012@N03/)

Many thanks to Brian for the flash advice and inspiration!

Andy

OlyPaul
16th April 2014, 10:14 AM
That's a great pic Andy.

brian1208
16th April 2014, 10:39 AM
My first attempt with the Metz ringflash:

I'd say you've got the hang of it pretty quickly Andy, nice one, your next mission, should you accept it - face on view, right up its nose! :D

(The Metz does work well when its set right doesn't it, no nasty hot spots showing here)

Bengeo
16th April 2014, 11:06 AM
Thanks Brian - that's what attracted me to the Metz. Also nice to keep the coloured background where some flashes will make it black.

Andy

brian1208
16th April 2014, 11:07 AM
That's a good point Andy, although for some shots I think its good to have the black background as a contrast to the subject (all down to setting it correctly for the shot you want, of course :) )

bredman
16th April 2014, 12:53 PM
I've never used flash on a macro shot. I do have the Mal-1 arm light, i reckon i've used it twice. I'll give the Mal-1 another go soon.

brian1208
16th April 2014, 01:05 PM
If the light is right I prefer to work without flash Pete, but when the subjects are pottering about in very variable light and shade (as is mostly the case in my garden) I find flash gives me much better control of the lighting

brian1208
16th April 2014, 01:43 PM
I found this caterpillar (species unknown, maybe a moth? All ID guesses appreciated) munching on Buddleia leaves today,

Its about an inch long and very fast moving

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/13894342035_bcdcd893a3_b_d.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/13894756944_619a739397_b_d.jpg

brian1208
16th April 2014, 03:07 PM
Some more "hidden" subject (in the darker recesses of our shrubs)

A couple of shots of our first Wasp of the year (I think it may be Vespula vulgaris, not the European Wasp which was my first guess, it lacks dots on the face which seem to be an ID for the European)

In the first its mandibles are wide open and it appears to be cleaning a foreleg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7310/13895913943_93fdd4a7f6_b_d.jpg

in the next the mandibles are shut

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7328/13895840925_19348f7348_b_d.jpg

and a Buff-tailed Bumble getting set for a snooze

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3693/13895840965_6cf5ec78e8_b_d.jpg

All EM-1 with 60mm macro and 1/400th sec Metz macro ring

brianvickers
16th April 2014, 05:59 PM
Amazing....looking forward to joining the macro club when I get my 60mm tomorrow!

brian1208
16th April 2014, 08:01 PM
I hope it thrills you as much as it did me when I first got my hands on it Brian.

Looking forward to seeing your pics :)

OlyPaul
16th April 2014, 09:01 PM
I'm getting jealous of all these insect shots..not one bloody insect in the garden since I got the 60mm!!

Have to make do with these I took today with it.:)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1753/20140416_102927.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72308)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1753/20140416_102206.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72306)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1753/20140416_102603.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72307)

Bluegrass Jim
16th April 2014, 09:04 PM
Hello Brian,
I was out last week on a grey day for a walk into the hills above Callander and saw this Lichen growing on the rock which was made up of different types of stone bonded together. I noticed this piece of quartz which I think the Lichen is struggling to get a hold of.


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Lichen_on_Quartz_Rock.jpg

On the way back I found these Larch cones which have just opened, I think they are the female cone. The grey light has been helpful giving a nice soft light on the background.

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Larch_Female_Cone.jpg

These cones are really beautiful if you take the trouble to look up close and as nice as any show flower.
Regards Jim.

brian1208
16th April 2014, 09:41 PM
Paul, nice pics, the Stellata is my favourite, a lovely and soft yet detailed image.

Jim, Lichens are fascinating but for me its the detail of that little female flower that grabbed my eye. We used to have a specimen Yew in our garden in Chester and every year it gave us bright red little flowers something like this (more waxy looking though)

Nice soft OOF backgrounds from both of you :)

brian1208
16th April 2014, 09:51 PM
I had the chance to finish processing the last of my macros from today and found I'd managed a few more not bad shots including a couple of "first" for the year and some more of my little black Hairy footed Spring Flower bee female

An Orange Tip in very difficult lighting, the top wing was nearly burnt out but I managed to claw back some detail

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2896/13903083775_de6040f1ed_b_d.jpg

A Wood Wasp, hiding in our Bamboo, I loved the tri-coloured Antenna

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/13903083715_fc6912ce0c_b_d.jpg


And Mrs Hairy-foot :)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7220/13903152603_549ddc2cac_b_d.jpg


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/13903099255_d0686c10da_b_d.jpg

bredman
16th April 2014, 10:05 PM
Nice shots Brian, particularly the orange tip, they are mostly so skittish.

Ross the fiddler
17th April 2014, 07:59 AM
I'm getting jealous of all these insect shots..not one bloody insect in the garden since I got the 60mm!!


Maybe you just haven't looked in the right place yet. :D Sometimes you can look at the tiny (weed) flowers & Forget Me Nots & sometimes a surprise might be there. That is how I have come across small creatures a number of times. Keep looking. *yes :D

*chr

brianvickers
18th April 2014, 08:17 AM
I'm getting jealous of all these insect shots..not one bloody insect in the garden since I got the 60mm!!

I know its not looking for improvement....but have you tried putting a jam jar out with a bit of jam in the bottom....should get some nice captive wasps and bees to shoot before safe release:)

brianvickers
18th April 2014, 02:04 PM
Not up to the above standard but this is my first attempt with the 60mm in macro mode...I'm liking this lens!


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/macro_21.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72355)

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/macro_11.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72354)

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/macro_51.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72358)

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/macro_41.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72357)

brian1208
18th April 2014, 02:50 PM
A good start Brian, now the fun begins :)

Chevvyf1
19th April 2014, 06:45 AM
Paul, lurve the image of Gabriel and can hardly believe you only JUST GOT the 60 :( !!! it is a terrific lens

Here is a "bug" from me taken yesterday out on a power walk to lunch .... not quite the image I seek but close - I should have changed focus point :( bah!

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/1aP4180039.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72389)

brian1208
19th April 2014, 07:01 AM
Chevvy, your focus is not far out (look at the detail of the feet and the eyes) but you do seem to have had a problem with the lighting / exposure as the flower is burnt out yet the head is under-exposed

I find this type of shot needs flash to control the exposure

(how are you doing with the move?)

Chevvyf1
19th April 2014, 10:02 AM
Chevvy, your focus is not far out (look at the detail of the feet and the eyes) but you do seem to have had a problem with the lighting / exposure as the flower is burnt out yet the head is under-exposed

I find this type of shot needs flash to control the exposure

(how are you doing with the move?)

Hi Brian, yes its not great :( ... as Nick said, "not up to standard" and carried on clipping the roses ...

The MOVE well ... hundreds of boxes packed but hundreds more to pack - after 20+ years here, it is the longest I have lived ANYWHERE in my life :eek: and I unpacked all those storage boxes of "stuff" from when I was living in hotels/corporate rented houses working in USA etc., ...

We have to be "ready to go" within 6 weeks - probably to storage for "stuff" and rented or a long holiday for us - we have not firmed up on THE new HOME yet, one will be completed in August and one November :cool: if November I rather fancy a few months away around the world ... and settled in for Christmas :D ... but there is a lot of water coming under our bridge just now ... youngest son decided to get married on 25th July (week after our York holidays) in a big do in Weybridge, UG! shoes, hat and outfit to buy for that too :) ... a week in a small cottage in Rock sounds great for May to me :) *chr just to get away from it ALL and no phones & no email :) and maybe we shall with my friend and ? her husband or just three of us :)

brian1208
19th April 2014, 11:06 AM
A few more,

First a bit of Ladybird Mating, with a subtle difference - the female looks to have had an attack of the "Munchies" and is eating a Common Gnat :)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5472/13934118515_87962362d5_b_d.jpg


Greenbottles mating, more for the elegant colour combination than anything else (although I haven't recorded one so far this year)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7391/13910994946_aaedb986b2_b_d.jpg

and a Hoverfly (maybe Sericomyia silentis? ) using available light with no flash

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/13911003112_3ecdfaf729_b_d.jpg

niranhopper
21st April 2014, 08:58 PM
Same insects in my backyard :) Although i couldnt get extreme closeups (i need more patience and stealth :)),



https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5178/13960779554_f1b150c23c.jpg


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/13960789264_f7cb7b5479.jpg


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/13957165812_b79ee6212b.jpg

brian1208
21st April 2014, 09:35 PM
there looks to be plenty of detail in these and I like the seed head dropping out of frame with the dandelion clock.

With the Hovers, have to tried slowly getting closer, taking a shot at each slight approach movement?
I find this helps with keeping the focus and also seems to stabilise the subject (so long as you keep your shadow under control :) )

With the first one dropping the angle so that you are more side on can help too (assuming that is possible of course)

Show us more :D

niranhopper
25th April 2014, 08:19 AM
Thanks Brian :)

I kept blowing the seed hoping to capture the point when it disconnects. Am pretty happy with the camera as i took the photos single handed and relied on autofocus. I couldnt get my eyes to the EVF nor use the LCD due to bright light. My shadow kept falling on the hover and so had to stay back.

Even the wife got interested in macro shooting and grabbed the camera from me to take some shots. She was impressed and proud of her photos. Have to get her a camera :)

Unfortunately i sold the 60mm recently to aid my 75mm purchase. Did try the 75mm with a cheap ebay magnification adapter but lots of fringing and lack of details. Not sure if i will miss the 60mm as the 75mm is more fun. People automatically start posing when i use the 75mm cause somehow deep down they know it is special :)


there looks to be plenty of detail in these and I like the seed head dropping out of frame with the dandelion clock.

With the Hovers, have to tried slowly getting closer, taking a shot at each slight approach movement?
I find this helps with keeping the focus and also seems to stabilise the subject (so long as you keep your shadow under control :) )

With the first one dropping the angle so that you are more side on can help too (assuming that is possible of course)

Show us more :D

brian1208
25th April 2014, 07:40 PM
Another of my usual Hoverfly species showed itself for the first time today

Episyrphus balteatus - once the season warms up a bit they make great subject for "HIF"s

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7350/14006869891_c924ceeac7_b_d.jpg

This shot is for fun but reminds us macro shooters of the maxim - "Always focus on the eye" so I did, when I spotted this little snail :)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5098/14010934744_f0e8a80772_z_d.jpg

both with my usual set-up of EM-1 + 60mm macro + Metz macro flash via sync sockets, at 6fps sequential this time

Bluegrass Jim
25th April 2014, 09:57 PM
Hello Brian,
Two brilliant shots, really like the Hoverfly.
Regards Jim.

DavyG
27th April 2014, 03:54 PM
Is anyone using a filter such as the Olympus PRF D46 Pro on their 60mm macro?

If so are there any cons associated with doing so?

Thanks

Dave

brian1208
27th April 2014, 04:12 PM
not tried it Dave

DavyG
27th April 2014, 07:25 PM
not tried it Dave

Thanks Brian,

I don't want to impair the lens by putting a filter on it however, I'm conscious of the need to protect the front element.

Dave

brian1208
27th April 2014, 07:34 PM
I'm conscious of the need to protect the front element

That's why I always have the hood on (except when using the Metz macro flash, which does a similar job)

brianvickers
27th April 2014, 07:51 PM
Can I ask a question with regard to macro flash.....is it possible to get good lighting by using a standard flash like the FL600R off the camera and hand held next to the lens?

brian1208
27th April 2014, 07:58 PM
It works fine like that Brian (unless you are cack-handed like I am :) ).

I use mine on-board with a home made cardboard deflector to shine the light vertically down on the subject, two of them on a twin macro bracket (unwieldy so only used infrequently) etc. Its a very effective flash gun and if you aren't at minimum focal distance and don't mind leaving the hood off it will light a subject pretty well of the hot-shoe in its normal position

(I tend to use it in manual exposure / manual flash mode with reduced power, rather than ttl mode for my macro work but this may not suit others)

brianvickers
27th April 2014, 09:14 PM
Brilliant! thanks for that, I shall be experimenting shortly.
Just spotted some white bluebells in the garden so will have a go with them.

Ross the fiddler
27th April 2014, 11:48 PM
Can I ask a question with regard to macro flash.....is it possible to get good lighting by using a standard flash like the FL600R off the camera and hand held next to the lens?

I normally use the FL36R flash with an after-market diffuser (like the standard one that came with the FL50R flash) on the camera body (E-M5) & the flash head has one tilt position lower for close work. A deflector (white cardboard) would probably work even better. The FL50R is too big (& heavy) for macro use with the 60mm lens though, but the FL600R should be usable similarly to the FL36(R) flash.

brianvickers
28th April 2014, 09:38 PM
Thanks Ross...I tried tonight using the FL600R on a tripod fired remotely using the little kit flash (FL2?)...not too happy with the results....especially DoF and background but at least I've made a start....(this unusual clump of white bluebells just appeared in our garden this year)...these are not too bad but I'm not excited about the composition.....
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Bluebells_1.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72757)

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Bluebells_2.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72758)

Ross the fiddler
28th April 2014, 10:45 PM
When you're using off camera flash you also need to remember the focal length setting in the flash. In other words, the angle of coverage from the flash & although you are using the TTL or FP TTL via RC mode you still need to think about the coverage angle. Also, the pull out diffuser (on the FL36R & FL50R flashes) for a wider angle dispersion can be used too.

For macro I usually use the flash on camera but when I used my E-30 with the Sigma 150 macro lens I used two FL36R flashes & a LED ring for night focussing, but I soon got tired of using that method because of the weight & unwieldiness & just went to using the FL50(R) on camera with the diffuser on. Anyhow, here it is if it might give you any ideas on what you might do with your gear now.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1006/PB139541s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/28449)

This is one sample using that method.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/506/PB132717s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/28571)

*chr

brianvickers
29th April 2014, 08:02 AM
Thanks Ross, the FL600R only seems to zoom in to 42mm and out to 12mm....I guess a wider angle than the lens focal length is ok albeit wasteful and its only a problem when you can't get a wide enough angle?
(I have a Metz Af24 too and a radio trigger so Im going to try using that as a dual flash set up, hopefully the radio triggered Metz will fire the FL600 as a slave....both can then be off the camera that way.)

RogerRamjet
29th April 2014, 11:14 AM
That twin fl-36 set looks interesting. I had been thinking about a pair of fl-300r as a light weight, multi-purpose and cheaper alternative to dedicated macro units. Would that work?

Ross the fiddler
29th April 2014, 12:03 PM
Thanks Ross, the FL600R only seems to zoom in to 42mm and out to 12mm....I guess a wider angle than the lens focal length is ok albeit wasteful and its only a problem when you can't get a wide enough angle?
(I have a Metz Af24 too and a radio trigger so Im going to try using that as a dual flash set up, hopefully the radio triggered Metz will fire the FL600 as a slave....both can then be off the camera that way.)

That's all the other flashes zoom to as well.

Ross the fiddler
29th April 2014, 12:06 PM
That twin fl-36 set looks interesting. I had been thinking about a pair of fl-300r as a light weight, multi-purpose and cheaper alternative to dedicated macro units. Would that work?

It works if you can position them suitably for the lens your using but it would be heavier & bulkier than a dedicated macro flash.

brian1208
29th April 2014, 02:52 PM
just to show that a macro lens is not essential (but does make life much easier) - I shot this this male Hairy-footed Spring flower pottering about our Lithodora Heavenly Blue in the front garden using the 75-300mk2 on the EM-1

Its a 100% crop with no resizing and I don't reckon the detail is too bad (I can even see the two feelers on the end of the proboscis)

So, why does the 60mm macro make it easier, to start with I only managed 2 out of 10 shots this sharp (and I reckon it could well have been 2 out of 100 if I had kept on, so I quit while I was ahead :D)

But, it can be done (10fps, smallest single point focus, SAF and very good light this time)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/14084409003_22d75a0efc_b_d.jpg

Ian
29th April 2014, 04:21 PM
Excellent shots Brian, the 60 mm is one of my favourite lenses.

Here are a few from me, I hope you don't mind :)
These are all from last year with my E-M5 and the 60 mm.

Green bottle
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5250067.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/61036)



I like this a lot - the EXIF suggests you used flash?

Ian

Ian
29th April 2014, 04:23 PM
Thanks Ross...I tried tonight using the FL600R on a tripod fired remotely using the little kit flash (FL2?)...not too happy with the results....especially DoF and background but at least I've made a start....(this unusual clump of white bluebells just appeared in our garden this year)...these are not too bad but I'm not excited about the composition.....
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Bluebells_1.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72757)

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Bluebells_2.jpg (http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=72758)

Brian - you've used a very small aperture f/10 or f/11. Did you want a more blurred background and less dof?

Ian

Greytop
29th April 2014, 05:33 PM
I like this a lot - the EXIF suggests you used flash?

Ian

Thanks Ian I'm glad you like it.
Regarding the flash, yes you're correct, I used my FL-36R with this shot.

edmund473
30th April 2014, 11:13 AM
Just a few flowers from the garden. Had a hernia opp on Monday this week not feeling to great. As I have the 60mm f2.8 I thought I would enter these.
Taken with the OMD-M5 using LR5.
Petunia
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Petunia_.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72805)
Mountain Ash Blossom.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Mountain_Ash_Blossom.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72807)
Dandelion Seeds
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Dandelion_Seeds_.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72806)

edmund473
30th April 2014, 11:16 AM
Also this one.
Strawberry Blossom.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Strawberry_Blossom_.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72808)

Ross the fiddler
30th April 2014, 01:01 PM
Just a few flowers from the garden. Had a hernia opp on Monday this week not feeling to great. As I have the 60mm f2.8 I thought I would enter these.
Taken with the OMD-M5 using LR5.


Looking nice Edmund. *yes Now no larffin at me bad inglish! ;) :D

Hope you're feeling well soon.

*chr

brianvickers
30th April 2014, 03:26 PM
Brian - you've used a very small aperture f/10 or f/11. Did you want a more blurred background and less dof?

Ian

Yes I was struggling to get a correct exposure, the flash seemed to swamp everything...I think I need to get control of the flash in manual mode...on the day I just couldn't get it right and resorted to f10....will try again.
I wanted to illuminate the background and the flowers....a two flash set up is needed but Ill have to somehow get the second flash to illuminate the background only. Any suggestions are more than welcome...

edmund473
30th April 2014, 06:32 PM
Looking nice Edmund. *yes Now no larffin at me bad inglish! ;) :D

Hope you're feeling well soon.

*chr

Thanks Ross.

Greytop
30th April 2014, 06:48 PM
Just a few flowers from the garden. Had a hernia opp on Monday this week not feeling to great. As I have the 60mm f2.8 I thought I would enter these.
Taken with the OMD-M5 using LR5.
Petunia
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Petunia_.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72805)
Mountain Ash Blossom.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Mountain_Ash_Blossom.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72807)
Dandelion Seeds
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Dandelion_Seeds_.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/72806)

Lovely shots John and best wishes for a quick recovery *yes

edmund473
30th April 2014, 07:04 PM
Thanks Huw very much appreciated. John.

Yorkie
1st May 2014, 12:53 PM
Picked mine up last night and cut myself!

This lens is so sharp it is unbelievable. I will post some pics soon but I want to get used to it first. Personally I think it is sharper on the EM1 than my old 50mm lens.

brian1208
2nd May 2014, 04:47 PM
come on then Yorkie, put some plasters on your fingers and show us some of your piccies :D

Mickg
4th May 2014, 08:14 PM
Thanks to this thread for inspiration, & Barclays Plc PPI refund for giving me the means, I've joined the 60mm macro owners club.
Early days, plenty to learn & certainly more rejects than keepers but enjoying it so far on the e-m1:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/14102811232_1716098a2d_z.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/nudArN)P5020064.jpg by -mick g74- (http://flic.kr/p/nudArN)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5567/14102664361_a26932b11e_z.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/nucQMx)Zebra Spider by -mick g74- (http://flic.kr/p/nucQMx)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5156/14125983983_804b44a2cd_z.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/nwgmTZ)Caterpillar by -mick g74- (http://flic.kr/p/nwgmTZ)

Cheers all Mick

brian1208
4th May 2014, 08:34 PM
Have fun Mick, these look like a good start

For me the quality goes #3, #1 then #2 - that caterpillar makes me itch just looking at all those hairs :)

I've just noticed you shot these wide open Mick, I would normally have gone to f5.6 to get the greater DOF.

Some help if you would please Mick, tell me how you manage to load these images from your flikr file so they link back to original and provide the EXIF and other data.

I've been going potty trying to find out how to do it and still haven't found the secret

Mickg
4th May 2014, 08:45 PM
Hi Brian cheers for the comments.

I do it on the ipad, don't know if you've got one. I upload pics to flickr on my pc then use an app called flickr stackr where you can copy and paste the bb code of any of your pics into a thread. Not sure if you can get the bb code from flickr on your pc. Hope that makes sense.

Mick

brian1208
4th May 2014, 09:03 PM
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7313/14081453306_498e1d279e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nsk8tG)Hover in front of Bowles Mauve at 300mm (https://flic.kr/p/nsk8tG) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

just a test to make sure I've got it right, thanks Mick

Mickg
4th May 2014, 09:07 PM
That's it Brian nice one.

Mick

brian1208
4th May 2014, 09:10 PM
That's it Brian nice one.

Mick

with a little help from a friend :)

Ross the fiddler
4th May 2014, 10:28 PM
with a little help from a friend :)

Yeah, yeah yeah! ;) (I'm showing my age here) :D

brian1208
5th May 2014, 04:17 AM
Yeah, yeah yeah! ;) (I'm showing my age here) :D

We are not old, we are simply maturing rather well ;)

Chevvyf1
5th May 2014, 06:26 AM
We are not old, we are simply maturing rather well ;)

oooh YES ! Chateau La Tour ... '54 here :) :D

Mick welcome to the e-4-m :) and the 60 Club its my FAV lens :) :D must order a new one, as current one has been used sooo very much for blooms and blossoms of late, daily :)

Chevvyf1
5th May 2014, 06:31 AM
Picked mine up last night and cut myself!

This lens is so sharp it is unbelievable. I will post some pics soon but I want to get used to it first. Personally I think it is sharper on the EM1 than my old 50mm lens.

Yes it is :) ps message me your address and I can post some bandages for those fingers and gloves for handling this SUPER SHARP lens *zzz *zzz *zzz

Beagletorque
7th May 2014, 01:17 PM
Well my 60 arrived, so despite the poor light here is a quick test shot from me.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Winged.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73098)

No butterflies were harmed in the process, alas it was already dead.

brian1208
7th May 2014, 01:58 PM
the wing scales make an amazing image don't they, enjoy the new lens :)

Mickg
7th May 2014, 04:06 PM
Wow, that is close.
Excellent work.

Beagletorque
7th May 2014, 05:00 PM
Thanks, I can see it has great potential. I just need to workout how to unlock it!

Mickg
9th May 2014, 04:08 PM
I have posted here:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32528

...regarding an issue on which I'd appreciate some advice from 60mm owners please.

Cheers Mick

Beagletorque
14th May 2014, 04:16 PM
3 from me with the 60 today.
Pushing the limits with the first with a heavy crop of a Sminthuridae on a small piece of eggshell. A great test for AF-C with Tracking!

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Sminthuridae.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73395)

This lens does show remarkable sharpness.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Yellow-Beard.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73396)

Another crop of Green Fly on Beetroot Seedling.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Green-Fly.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73394)

All hand held with natural light only. Cropped from out of camera Jpegs on the E-M1.

brian1208
15th May 2014, 07:55 PM
the aphid shot is the one that grabbed my attention, I think they are fascinating little creatures for all that they an create havoc in the garden.

Good light and detail make this a winner for me

PeterBirder
15th May 2014, 08:29 PM
I was out on our reserve earlier this week photographing some of the wild flowers that are now beginning to bloom. Here are a few all taken hand held with the EM-5 and 60mm using ambient light and processed from raw in DxO Optics Pro9.

Chives.
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5132120_DxO-e.jpg

Bumble Bee "Bombus terrestris" on Chive flower.
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5132124_DxO_1-e.jpg

Grass seed head.
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5132128_DxO_2-e.jpg

A very tatty Mining Bee "Andrena cineraria" (I think) on Black Medick "Medicago lupulina"
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5132130_DxO_2-e.jpg

Clover.
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5132135_DxO-e.jpg

Greater Hawkbit "Leontodon hispidus".
http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P5132140_DxO-e.jpg

Regards.*chr

brian1208
17th May 2014, 03:17 PM
Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in bug life recently? I think it is down to that spell of wet cold weather we have had but most everything that had started to show in my garden is now noticeable by its absence

Today's haul included Greenbottles and one Narcissus Fly (I think)

At least they were both doing something :)

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2904/14018528117_e7f0a5601a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nmLC1D)green bottle front legs up (https://flic.kr/p/nmLC1D) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5240/14203248212_9c56067933_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nD6mRS)narcissus fly Merodon equestris leg cleaning (https://flic.kr/p/nD6mRS) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

both shot using ambient light with the EM-5 + 60mm macro

Beagletorque
17th May 2014, 03:46 PM
I think I would say the opposite in my garden with the exception of bees, there seems to be quite a bit out in the sun today.

Volucella Zonaria doing a wheelie!

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Volucella_Zonaria.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73492)

brian1208
17th May 2014, 04:21 PM
Lucky you, sounds as if it may be a more local thing then?

That's a cracking shot of one of my favourite "Hovers", good lighting and detail

bredman
17th May 2014, 05:11 PM
Worked through a few more recently.


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5493/14015982158_db1ed66f02_b.jpg

bredman
17th May 2014, 05:12 PM
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2937/14202562802_df97a13786_b.jpg

bredman
17th May 2014, 05:15 PM
And apple mint crops, the second is almost 1:1.


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2912/14015914999_6c5e178fe8_b.jpg


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/14015920738_e566d3b523_b.jpg

brian1208
17th May 2014, 06:09 PM
That Cranefly is a cracker Peter and a species dear to my heart as I have an image of the antenna of one of those buried deep in this collection by the Carnegie Museum of Natural History http://iz.carnegiemnh.org/cranefly/idkeys.htm (http://iz.carnegiemnh.org/cranefly/idkeys.htm) (it was one of my first macro images requested by a museum :) )


The bee has a nice shallow depth of field, keeping the focus on the eyes and I think your apple mint shots are a bit special as its not something I would ever have thought of shooting. You've got an abstract feel to both of them, nice work

Beagletorque
17th May 2014, 07:19 PM
Araniella Cucurbitina (I think!) shedding. It was a bit windy and dangling from a thread made the sharpness less than optimal due to the movement! Magic to watch though...

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Spider-1.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73505)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Spider-2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73506)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Spider-3.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73507)

brian1208
17th May 2014, 07:30 PM
now that IS a magical sequence and something I have never seen, well done :)

How on earth did you spot it, it looks one of the smaller species of spider?

(I've just checked, 5-8mm for heavens sake, amazing! :D)

Beagletorque
17th May 2014, 07:36 PM
I was just lucky to be in the right place at the right time. To be honest I did not realise what I was shooting to start with!

brian1208
17th May 2014, 07:46 PM
Its great when that happens isn't it, but you still spotted it as something worth recording and got the important moments, so its still great macro work :)

banjukes
17th May 2014, 08:47 PM
I'm laughing Brian to myself here. I posted some very inferior images earlier compared to your offerings. Was quite pleased with myself but now I'm going to burn the camera and lens.

brian1208
17th May 2014, 10:34 PM
I'm laughing Brian to myself here. I posted some very inferior images earlier compared to your offerings. Was quite pleased with myself but now I'm going to burn the camera and lens.


What are you muttering about Conor, we all start somewhere and I'm still learning after 12 or so years.

Look around the web and you will see there are many people out there who make the work of any of us here look poor but so what, we are doing it for our own pleasure not to compete with others (or so I always believe)

My pleasure comes from improving my work year on year and that is what I wanted to share this thread for, to encourage others down the same path, so please, no more talk of destroying your lovely equipment - get out there and shoot *chr

Beagletorque
17th May 2014, 10:43 PM
The ubiquitous Jumping Spider.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Jumping-1.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73514)

Trying to blend in!

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Jumping-2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73515)

brian1208
18th May 2014, 06:29 AM
More excellent images that remind me, I haven't seen one of these cuties for a while, I must keep my eyes peeled for these and crab spiders which have absent so far this year

Spot on focus and detail yet again

Beagletorque
18th May 2014, 07:48 AM
Thanks for the positive comments Brian.

brian1208
18th May 2014, 02:39 PM
Still not much "small stuff" about, we went to Hurst Castle this morning, usually a guaranteed spot for Marbled Whites, Blues and a whole range of bugs and insects but there was absolutely nothing (the grass, flowers and herbs are still at ground level!)

So, back to the garden, where it was still a bit poor but here are a couple of shots of a Bumble feeding, just landed with legs grabbing hold and settled with its proboscis fully extended

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/14213336785_63470d4173_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nDZ4QM)feeding bumble bee landing (https://flic.kr/p/nDZ4QM) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2933/14026673289_7618a5314b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nnunhD)feeding bumble proboscis extended (https://flic.kr/p/nnunhD) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

and just to add a bit of spice, a pair of mating flies (they seem to be the only species that are in profusion this year)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5236/14026706790_1853849dd3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nnuxff)fly mating (https://flic.kr/p/nnuxff) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

brian1208
18th May 2014, 03:43 PM
Going for a slightly more arty shot, backing off to get most of the Teucrium bloom in shot

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2895/14233995083_18975baa36_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nFNWQk)Bee feeding on Teucrium (https://flic.kr/p/nFNWQk) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

I liked the way it was using its front near-side leg to brace itself against the petal

brian1208
18th May 2014, 06:36 PM
Last one for today, I discovered I can now predict when a Greenbottle is about to start "bubbling" as I saw this one take up position and extrude its mouth part before it began. (the key is that instead of the end of the tongue looking like a solid lump on the end of a stalk it looks almost like an open circle with lips around the edge, hard to describe but unmistakeable once seen)

The total process to a surprisingly long time, it was still processing it after 13 minutes at which point I left it to its work.

Its a bit short on DOF as the light was beginning to drop in this part of our garden so I opened the aperture to f4.5 an even then I was only getting 1/500th at ISO 400 (I prefer to keep the shutter speed up around 1/1000th with ISO200 with f 5.6 - f8 for a shot like this)

So, excuses got out of the way, here it is, its an unresized crop lightened in post processing (I think that may be me reflected in the bubble! ;) )

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2906/14215086195_2392ec179a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nE92T2)Greenbottle bubbling (https://flic.kr/p/nE92T2) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

Beagletorque
18th May 2014, 07:54 PM
Very interesting and sharp shot. Excellent.

bredman
18th May 2014, 08:19 PM
Couple more, both quite heavy crops.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2906/14021254259_57c1c27338_c.jpg



https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5534/14228071513_48a399d645_c.jpg

brian1208
18th May 2014, 08:22 PM
a couple of goodies there Pete, I like the first one as you have caught the detail of the spinneret well.

Its particularly interesting for me to see the twin threads emerging from there, its not something I've seen before despite having shot this scene quite a few times before

Phill D
18th May 2014, 08:23 PM
I hate you lot!!! it must be something else it can't be the lens that's so sharp....I really don't want one :p....much :rolleyes:

Stunning shots guys.

Wee man
18th May 2014, 09:59 PM
I know I have asked should I get a 60 instead of my 150 but you keep showing great shots to let me know it is a silly question ?

brian1208
18th May 2014, 10:12 PM
Phil, go on, you know you need one, its not that expensive - honest :)

Ed, that's the Siggie 150 you have I think? If so you should be well placed to get shots like this, from what I remember of trying it on my canon bodies (sorry, there goes that C word again ;) ) it was a very competent tool, if a little heavy

Ross the fiddler
18th May 2014, 10:18 PM
I know I have asked should I get a 60 instead of my 150 but you keep showing great shots to let me know it is a silly question ?

It (the Oly) is certainly much more compact & convenient than the Sigma 150, but the Sigma is good for the more skittish creatures in macro & great as a telephoto lens (for static subjects, as you would know) & so I think both are useful, but I just don't take my Sigma far because of the weight although it is useful in my backyard, however, the Oly 60mm goes in the camera bag all of the time because it is as small & light as it is. Olympus in Australia has a $100 cash-back for this lens up till the end of June. Are there any similar offers over there?

Wee man
18th May 2014, 10:23 PM
Thanks it is the weight which is starting to get to me. The Sigma 150 and Metz ring flash are getting difficult to hold due to weight ( its an age/illness thing) but IQ is great.

Ross the fiddler
19th May 2014, 01:08 AM
Thanks it is the weight which is starting to get to me. The Sigma 150 and Metz ring flash are getting difficult to hold due to weight ( its an age/illness thing) but IQ is great.

I just tried some comparison shots this morning & I thought I'd go a little further & add the EC14 to the Sigma 150 lens, but I wasn't having much success in getting it to lock onto focus like that, so starting with the Oly 60mm Macro lens of a small moth (5mm long) this is no master piece at all.

Using the add on FL-LM2 flash
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/M5191211-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73567)
This was so light & easy to focus too.

And cropped
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/M5191211-cr-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73569)

And the Sigma 150mm Macro lens (no EC14 but with a UV filter), using the FL50R flash with diffuser cap.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/M5191209-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73566)

And cropped.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/M5191209-cr-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73568)

The Sigma with the EC14 makes a nice (but heavy) 212mm f/4 telephoto lens though (so long as the subject is reasonably static) taken at f/8.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/M5191205-s.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73565)

Sorry if that just gives you more GAS. ;)

*chr

brian1208
19th May 2014, 07:30 PM
The light was just beginning to go when I spotted this bee (I think its a Carder bee, the only ginger species in the UK as I understand it) feeding and cleaning itself on a rather tatty Clematis so as an experiment I pushed the ISO up to 1250.

I was surprised just how little noise there is with the EM-5 at this ISO (admittedly with pretty good light, I wanted to keep the shutter speed up beyond 1/100th sec). These were shot in RAW and have had only a little noise reduction applied in LR5.4

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14221828682_421fd38e24_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nEJAbN)bumble on clematis ISO1250 (https://flic.kr/p/nEJAbN) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/14201025196_308717efdf_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nCTY31)bumble on clematis ISO1250 f5 antenna cleaning (https://flic.kr/p/nCTY31) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2925/14037589197_705df6f1c6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nosjcX)bumble on clematis ISO1250 f5 (https://flic.kr/p/nosjcX) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

Fairly shallow DOF as I was working at F5

Beagletorque
19th May 2014, 07:46 PM
Nice sharp trio Brian.

brian1208
19th May 2014, 08:04 PM
thanks, the last one has lost some key detail of the bee cleaning its proboscis but I couldn't get side on to the bee (blocked by plants and a garden bench) and I didn't want to push the aperture too high

(I've got plenty of shots of that activity on file anyway ;) )

timmypreston
19th May 2014, 09:02 PM
There is also the 35mm too

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7936575918_ae3069189b_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/33153464@N07/7936575918/)
Common Darter Face Wrekin Pools 05092012 grid reference SJ637093 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/33153464@N07/7936575918/) by Tim J Preston (https://www.flickr.com/people/33153464@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7417/9401842103_13e9565127_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/33153464@N07/9401842103/)
Large White Butterfly close Shawbury Heath 30072013 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/33153464@N07/9401842103/) by Tim J Preston (https://www.flickr.com/people/33153464@N07/), on Flickr

A great little lens

brian1208
19th May 2014, 09:16 PM
lovely stuff Tim, I'm still waiting on Dragons and Damsels so far this year, some of my favourite subjects to get in flight

Both have good colour and detail, the eyes on the Dragon are a bit special :)

timmypreston
19th May 2014, 09:35 PM
Not seen any yet this year either, went for a walk in the midday sun on Saturday hoping to spot some Damsels or Chasers with no joy.

Beagletorque
20th May 2014, 06:09 AM
How close do you need to be with the 35 for those shots?

brian1208
20th May 2014, 04:17 PM
A grey and showery day needing ISO1250 to get the shutter speed I want, even with F4.5, thank goodness the EM-5 does such a good job controlling noise at this ISO

A close crop of the Narcissus Fly face, its about 60% of the original frame width, so pretty close :)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5516/14251040333_d55bb53576_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nHjiMX)Narcissus fly face crop (https://flic.kr/p/nHjiMX) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people/75445098@N04/), on Flickr

David Morison
21st May 2014, 06:56 AM
lovely stuff Tim, I'm still waiting on Dragons and Damsels so far this year, some of my favourite subjects to get in flight

Both have good colour and detail, the eyes on the Dragon are a bit special :)

Dragons and Damsels are my favourite too and often good subjects to fall back on when the birds are playing hide and seek. I have had the 60mm for some while now and the 50mm before that but I find the short working distances of these lenses to be quite a hindrance on warm days when the insects are very flighty. I often have the 75-300mm on the camera and will happily use that but the working distance on this is too long, the 4/3 70-300mm was a much better tool and some of my best Dragon shots were taken when I had one of these. If I'm going out just for Dragons or Damsels my lens of choice is always my 4/3 Leica 14-150mm which has a short enough working distance to enable good close-ups of these relatively large insects, although it doesn't do so well on the eyes.

Edit: An example of what I can get with the Leica on an E-M5:


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P9291299.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/52712)
David

timmypreston
21st May 2014, 12:42 PM
How close do you need to be with the 35 for those shots?

Very! :D virtually had the head in the lens.

Dragonflies, Darters and Damsels seem to be very tolerant and providing you don't cast a shadow they will quite happily sit there and model.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7977487261_41fa5c879e_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/d9WH2P)Migrant Hawker Head Berrington Pool 110912 #4 (https://flic.kr/p/d9WH2P) by Tim J Preston (https://www.flickr.com/people/33153464@N07/), on Flickr

The butterflies however are probably 1-2 feet away and cropped.

The original of the above butterfly.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5550/9401836123_4442193428_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/fjNSjP)Large White Butterfly Shawbury Heath 30072013 (https://flic.kr/p/fjNSjP) by Tim J Preston (https://www.flickr.com/people/33153464@N07/), on Flickr

brian1208
21st May 2014, 03:55 PM
that Leica looks a real dream of a lens David (when used by someone who know what they are doing), that's a cracking shot.

A stupid question, when you say Leica 14-150 is that the Panasonic Leica version?

The results you get look pretty impressive and I could be tempted to look for a copy, but I need to be sure what I'm looking at

Thanks

David Morison
21st May 2014, 08:26 PM
that Leica looks a real dream of a lens David (when used by someone who know what they are doing), that's a cracking shot.

A stupid question, when you say Leica 14-150 is that the Panasonic Leica version?

The results you get look pretty impressive and I could be tempted to look for a copy, but I need to be sure what I'm looking at

Thanks

Yes, D Vario-Elmar made by Panasonic under licence from Leica in 4/3 mount. Not been made for a couple of years and difficult to find. I wouldn't be without it.

David

Phill D
21st May 2014, 09:15 PM
Put me in the use it all the time camp too. Problem is it's made me lazy and I just don't want to swap lenses anymore. Can't see me letting it go as it was the one lens that made my decision to go with the 4/3s system all those years ago, even though it took me ages after that to get one. Having said all that I have recently thought about getting something a bit lighter but I'm not sure how the Panasonic m4/3s version compares.
Anyway here's an example I shot recently at full zoom and wide open from about 10 feet away. I was shooting the tulips actually but the fly came out pretty well too. This is a jpeg sooc with a couple of crops to follow, no contrast tweaking or sharpening.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P4214766.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73679)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P4214766-001.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73677)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P4214766-002.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73678)

bredman
22nd May 2014, 04:36 PM
One of those small bees that are skittish and busy and difficult to get sharp. just a few mm wide and 1 cm long.


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5312/14203981716_76b85a893c_b.jpg

Beagletorque
22nd May 2014, 04:38 PM
Love that, great shot.

brian1208
22nd May 2014, 04:42 PM
that is excellent Peter, I love the eye detail. (It looks like a Tawny Miner Bee or something similar)

Was this shot using ambient light or was there a bit of flash involved?

Chevvyf1
22nd May 2014, 06:09 PM
One of those small bees that are skittish and busy and difficult to get sharp. just a few mm wide and 1 cm long.


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5312/14203981716_76b85a893c_b.jpg

That is horrendously AWESOME IQ *chr

Chevvyf1
22nd May 2014, 06:30 PM
It was cloudy here, and grey and a darling little Robin Red Breast was on the telephone wires ... I snapped ... it has a beak full of spider and woodlice and other insects and was waiting for me to leave our drive, so it could take breakfast into its young - as Nick drove to North Devon I cast a glance at the image and AMAZED ... full detail as stated above :) WHAT a camera ... but I think it was 75-300 or maybe 60 macro ??? ... I shall have to look when home and uploading from chips :) maybe post here ... again, Oly ONE +glass stunned me :)

Phill D
22nd May 2014, 07:04 PM
Stunning bee Pete, amazing eyes.

bredman
22nd May 2014, 07:26 PM
Thanks to everyone for the comments. :) And yes those eyes are great.


Was this shot using ambient light or was there a bit of flash involved?

Only ambient light. I'm yet to use flash with the OMDs. Soon though i reckon.

Greytop
22nd May 2014, 07:30 PM
Yes that's a very nice image Pete.

bredman
23rd May 2014, 12:50 AM
Thanks Huw.


A couple more recent ones from this wonderful little lens.


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5473/14226760674_2981242bed_b.jpg


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5488/14039294550_aa25969bc7_b.jpg

bredman
23rd May 2014, 12:54 AM
And an old one i had a play with.


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7327/14150862826_7556f2a4d8_b.jpg

Beagletorque
23rd May 2014, 06:18 AM
Has anyone tried extension tubes on the 60?

David Morison
23rd May 2014, 06:21 AM
Has anyone tried extension tubes on the 60?

Yes, but it reduces the minimum working distance to a hair's width making focus and lighting very, very difficult.

David

tomphotofx
23rd May 2014, 06:22 AM
Terrific shot Pete nice detail.

Beagletorque
23rd May 2014, 06:22 AM
David, what length tube was that?

David Morison
23rd May 2014, 06:34 AM
David, what length tube was that?

I tried it with the 10 and 16mm alone and together.

David

brian1208
23rd May 2014, 06:45 AM
I had the same experience as David so after a short trial I gave up on the idea.

May have another go with just the 10mm one of these days.

I think a screw in close up filter may work better and plan to try that soon

Beagletorque
23rd May 2014, 07:41 AM
Thanks for the info.

Beagletorque
30th May 2014, 08:42 PM
3 from me, but one is not the 60! Which one and which lens?

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Shield-1.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73999)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Mini-Forest.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73998)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Eggs.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/73997)

Greytop
30th May 2014, 09:16 PM
I had the same experience as David so after a short trial I gave up on the idea.

May have another go with just the 10mm one of these days.

I think a screw in close up filter may work better and plan to try that soon

A x1.4 m4/3rds TC would be nice, hint hint Olympus.

Miketoll
31st May 2014, 05:06 PM
A x1.4 m4/3rds TC would be nice, hint hint Olympus.
I entirely agree. There may be one coming out when they bring out the 300mm f4 prime sometime next year. If one does I hope it works with the 60mm macro and they do not do what Canon did where their converters only fit some of their lenses.

Chevvyf1
1st June 2014, 11:08 AM
middle image ?

Nice set

Beagletorque
1st June 2014, 11:10 AM
Yes, good spot. Was the 12-40 2.8 also a very capable macro performer. That is only a very slight crop.
Thanks for commenting.

brian1208
1st June 2014, 09:03 PM
What were subjects 2 and 3?

Beagletorque
1st June 2014, 09:56 PM
2 is butterfly / moth eggs on nettle (not sure which specs.)
3 is fruiting body of small plant in wet part of garden (weed / succulent / fern type) about 3mm across the "hands".

brian1208
2nd June 2014, 05:38 AM
thanks, you can really squeeze maximum detail out of your set-up, most impressive

Beagletorque
2nd June 2014, 06:09 AM
TBH I'm still trying to work out what the best settings are. The only real thing I've discovered is exposure is critical! But that is hardly a surprise.

brian1208
2nd June 2014, 06:35 AM
I'd be interested to know what settings you were using for these, I can't see the EXIF on your gallery images

Beagletorque
2nd June 2014, 08:34 AM
Would be happy to share, but will need to look them up as I always export web optimised jpegs sans exif.

brian1208
2nd June 2014, 10:53 AM
thanks, I look forward to seeing them :)

Beagletorque
6th June 2014, 03:43 PM
Brian,
could not find a way to edit that post so I have added the Exif details to a comment on the images themselves. Just click the photo to go to the comment.

A couple of fly shots, I also observed the "bubbling" too, very interesting.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Fly3.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74201)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/Fly-too.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74200)

brian1208
6th June 2014, 09:44 PM
thanks for the information which I did find interesting (its always good to learn how others get such good results :) )

Fly Bubbles are fascinating in a rather gross way, well done for spotting this

thanks for putting the basic info in the frame too

brian1208
8th June 2014, 06:49 PM
A pleasant appearance today, I think my colony of Wool Carder bees has revived itself as I spotted several of what looked like the female. Not seen the male yet which is one of the strangest looking bees with a "Crown" on its backside (apparently used for conflict between males)

Here's the female

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5592/14189439938_a011fe0b26_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nBSA9b)Female Wool Carder Bee (https://flic.kr/p/nBSA9b) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

Greytop
9th June 2014, 12:14 AM
A few from later yesterday afternoon.

Chives anyone?
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P6082272.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74266)

Roses are red....
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P6082297.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74268)

More Chives
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P6082269.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74264)

brian1208
9th June 2014, 07:57 AM
nice shots Huw, I particularly like the images of Chives

edmund473
9th June 2014, 11:15 AM
So nice to see all your shots with the 60mm nice shot of the bumble bee on the chive Huw. regards John.

edmund473
9th June 2014, 12:30 PM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Aquilegia_2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74291)



http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/P6090017.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74293)

A Beautiful morning in the garden John.
Two photo's of the Aquilegia 60mm lens.

brian1208
9th June 2014, 12:47 PM
both lovely but the first one is stunning, real impact from the colour and detail

brian1208
9th June 2014, 03:36 PM
Having shot the female Wool Carder bee the other day I've been looking for a male and found one today but what a pain to photograph.

Its one of the most assertive / aggressive bees I ever experienced attacking any and all species of bee that came into "Its" territory and constantly "buzzing" me to get me to move (worse even than the Hairy-footed Spring Flower bee which is known for this type of behaviour)

I managed to get a "reasonable" shot which was good enough to show part of the horny "Crown" on its bum (used in male : male conflict I understand) and it does show the frantic motion which seems to be a characteristic of the male of the species

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5078/14196586240_3b93b75a41_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nCvduh)carder bee male flight 3 (https://flic.kr/p/nCvduh) by BrianWadie (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

I'm going to have another at some time, I was up to ISO1250 to try to get a fast enough shutter speed at f5.6 and still only managed 1/800th sec today, nowhere near enough for this little beggar :)

bredman
12th June 2014, 07:57 AM
I've posted this species before not knowing the name. A tiny mason bee that's 8-10mm long. There are two very similar species and this (i'm certain) is Osmia Caerulescens, a male Blue Mason Bee.


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2917/14213538207_e0dccc56d7_b.jpg

Chevvyf1
12th June 2014, 08:10 AM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/Aquilegia_2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74291)



http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1122/P6090017.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/74293)

A Beautiful morning in the garden John.
Two photo's of the Aquilegia 60mm lens.

John AWESOME Granma's Bonnet's :) FAB Dof EXQUISITE images :) Thanks for sharing :) *chr