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benvendetta
31st January 2014, 01:32 PM
Why is it that Olympus sells the new 25mm f1.8 standard lens for 369 and other manufacturers typically charge less than 150 or even 100 for the equivalent piece of glass???? Standard lenses should be one of the cheapest in the range. I know the OM 50mm f1.8 was back in the day.

StephenL
31st January 2014, 01:50 PM
Probably because that's the price they think they can get away with.

One of the bargains in the Canon world is the 50mm.

Zuiko
31st January 2014, 04:16 PM
That's very expensive. I would have expected the price to be about the same as the 45mm f1.8. Maybe it will be discounted once it has been out for a while.

Ian
31st January 2014, 05:04 PM
It does seem dear, although it's not an unambitious design, optically.

Ian

pdk42
31st January 2014, 09:44 PM
I agree. At £250-£280, they'd have immediately sold a good many. Personally, I'll wait until it drops to near 45/1.8 level- maybe this time next year. In the meantime, the Pany 25/1.4 can be had used for a little over £300.

StephenL
31st January 2014, 09:57 PM
It's got to be said the Panny is a deal bulkier and heavier. It also has in-built stabilization. The Olympus balances better on the lighter E-M10 body, whereas the Panny suits the E-M1. Mind you, I do like the 45mm on the E-M1. Which is a similar size and weight to the Oly 25mm.

Bikie John
1st February 2014, 10:12 AM
I wonder how much the lens hood and pouch will cost.

John

photo_owl
1st February 2014, 10:37 AM
I don't see any logic to the argument that 'a stardard lens should be one of the cheapest in the range' at all.

The PL25/1.4 for 43 was massively most expensive but there weren't a whole load of posts about how a lens of that focal length on 43 shouldn't be expensive.

The only issue for me would be whether the IQ matches the pricing - it's a value proposition not a price one.

PeterBirder
1st February 2014, 11:13 AM
I don't see any logic to the argument that 'a stardard lens should be one of the cheapest in the range' at all.

The PL25/1.4 for 43 was massively most expensive but there weren't a whole load of posts about how a lens of that focal length on 43 shouldn't be expensive.

The only issue for me would be whether the IQ matches the pricing - it's a value proposition not a price one.

I agree.
Surely the term "Standard" in this context relates purely to the field of view.

The price will relate to the quality and performance of the lens.

Regards.*chr

Ulfric M Douglas
1st February 2014, 01:09 PM
I was expecting £230, the same price as the 45mm.
Maybe they're just "trying it on" for a while ...

David M
1st February 2014, 02:18 PM
Far to logical a reply photo owl. I'd pay more than that for a faster manual focus prime.

benvendetta
1st February 2014, 02:22 PM
If the 'opposition' can make great 'standard' lenses of a similar speed for 150 or less, why can't Olympus? And yes I did mean standard view, 50mm in old money.

Greytop
1st February 2014, 02:26 PM
It's got to be said the Panny is a deal bulkier and heavier. It also has in-built stabilization. The Olympus balances better on the lighter E-M10 body, whereas the Panny suits the E-M1. Mind you, I do like the 45mm on the E-M1. Which is a similar size and weight to the Oly 25mm.

Hi Stephen,
I don't seem to remember in-built stabilization in my (now gone) copy of the Panny 25 ;)
For what it's worth I think Panny size is more to do with with the aperture, f/1.4 verses f/1.8.

The Oly 25 looks interesting but as many others have commented I'll wait to see if the price drops a little before seriously considering it.

StephenL
1st February 2014, 02:30 PM
Hi Stephen,
I don't seem to remember in-built stabilization in my (now gone) copy of the Panny 25 ;)
For what it's worth I think Panny size is more to do with with the aperture, f/1.4 verses f/1.8.

The Oly 25 looks interesting but as many others have commented I'll wait to see if the price drops a little before seriously considering it.
On second thoughts you might be right! Getting it confused with the 12-35! Can't check as it's with Ian at the mment!

alfbranch
1st February 2014, 03:56 PM
If the 'opposition' can make great 'standard' lenses of a similar speed for £150 or less, why can't Olympus? And yes I did mean standard view, 50mm in old money.

Beacuase they start working from old designs and have not changed there lens to correct it sensor size appropriate.
Do Nikon offer a 33mm f1.8?
Do Canon offer a 31mm f.8

Lets face it when you bought an SLR with a 50mm f1.8 you immediatley sarting looking something else to use instead. For me it was a 28 mm f2.8.

There are other potential primes that would have me more interested.

As has been said IQ will be key to succes or lack of.

broadway
1st February 2014, 04:31 PM
A good deal cheaper over there, $399. Which I calculate as extra 50%, not all of which can be tax differences.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1026123-REG/olympus_v311060bu000_25mm_f_1_8_m_lens.html

photo_owl
1st February 2014, 05:14 PM
A good deal cheaper over there, $399. Which I calculate as extra 50%, not all of which can be tax differences.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1026123-REG/olympus_v311060bu000_25mm_f_1_8_m_lens.html

indeed - never seen a range of lenses that has the variation up and down between the two markets!

Glee
1st February 2014, 05:38 PM
I have the PL25, and at the time of purchase ( two years ago) it was a kings ransom to me. Today (assuming it performs as well as the 45mm) I would buy the Oly 25 because it is comparatively cheaper, faster AF and lighter. I don't think I would miss the f1.4 speed in most situations.

I may yet sell the PL25 if the Oly is all I hope it will be. By then I expect the price will have come down, fingers crossed.

Best wishes

pvasc
2nd February 2014, 07:19 AM
Because it comes with a hood. I to am not happy about the price. But it is incredibly sharp from what I have seen, (McGillicuddy's photos), not sharp enough and priced where I would replace my Sigma 30mm though.

Otto
2nd February 2014, 09:44 AM
I think the 50mm standard lenses were cheap in the 70s and 80s because they sold in huge numbers - nowadays the great majority of people go for zooms as their "standard lens" so primes cost more. Even so, this one seems rather expensive.

OlyPaul
2nd February 2014, 10:00 AM
The new 50mm does not interest me, I have to admit I rarely used the std 50mm in my 35mm film days and always favoured a 35mm and that is probably the reason I brought the 17mm f1.8.:)

StephenL
2nd February 2014, 10:33 AM
I have the PL25, and at the time of purchase ( two years ago) it was a kings ransom to me. Today (assuming it performs as well as the 45mm) I would buy the Oly 25 because it is comparatively cheaper, faster AF and lighter. I don't think I would miss the f1.4 speed in most situations.

I may yet sell the PL25 if the Oly is all I hope it will be. By then I expect the price will have come down, fingers crossed.

Best wishes
My feelings exactly.

alfbranch
2nd February 2014, 11:52 AM
The new 50mm does not interest me, I have to admit I rarely used the std 50mm in my 35mm film days and always favoured a 35mm and that is probably the reason I brought the 17mm f1.8.:)

I was similar Paul but mine was the 28mm.

David M
2nd February 2014, 01:34 PM
In my 35mm days my standards were 24mm and 600mm. My Vivitar 35mm f/1.9 from the 70's makes a nice 'standard' for me these days.

pdk42
14th February 2014, 12:42 PM
I'm led to believe that the design is heavily based on the 45. Even more of a reason to think the UK price is just crazy. It should be £299 tops, and maybe more like £270.

bilbo
14th February 2014, 01:02 PM
If nobody buys it, the price will come down. But Olympus has historically had very significant differential regional pricing. Everything else considered, like most suppliers, they pitch their prices at what they think the market will bear. Personally I think they've got this one wrong in the UK and I'm out.

benvendetta
14th February 2014, 01:04 PM
I wonder if it will be generally available at the Photography Show in a couple of weeks..............at a Show Special price? It would have to be a couple of hundred less than the RRP to interest me though.

Ulfric M Douglas
14th February 2014, 05:33 PM
I know this is the "price" thread, but I have a question.
the PanaLeica 25mm : I always heard the AF was really fast on that, now I see comments about it not being fast.
Sure, the goalposts have changed but what's the story?
I have a sigma 30mm here with slightly faster AF than the Olympus 45mm, both are fast.
Both my 17mmF2.8 and Lumix 20mm are slow-AF, but fine for me.
So how fast does the PL 25mmF1.4 focus?

StephenL
14th February 2014, 05:51 PM
I know this is the "price" thread, but I have a question.
the PanaLeica 25mm : I always heard the AF was really fast on that, now I see comments about it not being fast.
Sure, the goalposts have changed but what's the story?
I have a sigma 30mm here with slightly faster AF than the Olympus 45mm, both are fast.
Both my 17mmF2.8 and Lumix 20mm are slow-AF, but fine for me.
So how fast does the PL 25mmF1.4 focus?
Well, I could tell you better if it was in my hands just now, but Ian currently has it for testing ....

But, from memory it's quite quick, about as fast as the 45mm or 75mm. Perhaps not quite as fast as my very short handling of the new Oly 25mm.

Glee
14th February 2014, 09:58 PM
My experience of the PL25 1:4 is that it is fairly brisk on OMD em5, the 45mm 1:8 blows it away for focus as does the 17mm 1.8. Having said this it is not so slow you would miss a shot.

I like the prospect of the size and weight of the Oly 25m1:8, the PL 25 looks big and bulky by comparison, and while subjective it's a bit on the ugly looking to my eye, but forgivable given its performance and while in the absence of other m4/3 25mm, I might sell my PL and buy the Oly.

Best wishes

Dave in Wales
18th February 2014, 10:50 AM
Only 25.....£369.
Pl 25.....£399.
I know which I'd sooner have.

DekHog
18th February 2014, 12:23 PM
I too was very surprised at the price of this lens, as was just reading yesterday how it was basically a re-engineered 45mm; same build quality, number of elements etc..... as someone said, 'what they can get away with....'

You can't compare it to Canikon 50mm F1.8's, which are ancient in terms of design etc; you'd have to compare it more to the very much more expensive 50mm F1.4's.....

Glee
18th February 2014, 09:19 PM
It's likely the price will fall over time but I don't yet see why the price is of the Oly is considered expensive?

I own the PL25, inarguably a excellent performer but it's bigger and heavier than the Oly 25. What I have seen from samples the Oly 25 looks as good as the PL25 despite being a bit slower.

Both are plastic bodies, the PL25 is prone to CA, it might be that this is auto corrected in the Oly 25?

If I were buying again today I would lean toward the Oly,

Kami
19th February 2014, 12:30 AM
Robin Wong would agree with Glee, it would appear:
http://robinwong.blogspot.it/2014/02/olympus-mzuiko-25mm-f18-lens-review.html

(* Wonders which Dave in Wales would rather have :) *)

David M
19th February 2014, 01:26 AM
It's nice we have some optical designers on here. I didn't realise you could change a 45mm into a 25mm so easily.

DekHog
19th February 2014, 07:18 AM
It's nice we have some optical designers on here. I didn't realise you could change a 45mm into a 25mm so easily.

I didn't have my optical designer hat on when I made the post - if you read it properly it clearly states I was reading an article (which as per usual, I can't find again) about how the 25 was based on the design of the 45......

pdk42
19th February 2014, 09:50 PM
Converted to US$, in Japan, the new 25 is approx $320, in the US $399, in the UK $590. I think that's a crazy decision on Oly's part and I hope they sell very few until they repent!

Ulfric M Douglas
20th February 2014, 07:40 AM
Repent!
Good suggestion, now, how long before that happens?
If only it was £230 like the 45.

benvendetta
20th February 2014, 11:46 AM
I am glad I started this thread. Seems that most people think it is way over priced. Makes the 45mm f1.8 a real bargain, if you need that focal length.

pdk42
20th February 2014, 11:52 AM
Well, I'm beating the system. I ordered one from B&H and had it shipped to our US office. A colleague is bringing it back next week. Can't wait! My credit card statement tells me it cost £246 once converted from $. At that price, I think it's sensible.

benvendetta
20th February 2014, 11:59 AM
Well, I'm beating the system. I ordered one from B&H and had it shipped to our US office. A colleague is bringing it back next week. Can't wait! My credit card statement tells me it cost 246 once converted from $. At that price, I think it's sensible.

He doesn't fancy bringing more back.........? ;)

brianvickers
21st February 2014, 01:55 PM
Why is it not for sale in the UK yet? maybe it will be launched at the NEC….
I'd love to change my 25mm f1.4…..but having said that it doesn't look so out of place on my E-M5 which an Olympus branded lens cap

Ulfric M Douglas
21st February 2014, 02:12 PM
Beating the system : if only we all had a US office