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Iansky
8th December 2013, 07:00 PM
I received my "Free" 17mm f2.8 lens from Olympus on Sat and it has now become my standard lens on the backup EPL5.

I took it out yesterday to shoot street with this combo and I am very pleasantly surprised, a very small, solid and easy to carry combo that often goes unnoticed (but not always) and the lens delivers much better IQ than I was expecting.

Great combo and these are some of the results:

http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Hoping.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Spotted2.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Sand_dog.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Snack_time.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/The_shopping_trolley.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Through_the_gap.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Carol_singing.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Empty_streets.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/The_Bakers.jpg


http://www.e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/1704/Looking_In.jpg

Graham_of_Rainham
8th December 2013, 07:31 PM
I enjoy working with a single focal length lens as it makes me think more about what I'm doing and getting the composition right.

I enjoyed looking through your shots, as they have a lot of interesting subjects and the setting is interesting as well.

I actually like the whole series in B&W it provides for consistency and works as a "panel".

*chr

Iansky
8th December 2013, 07:56 PM
I enjoy working with a single focal length lens as it makes me think more about what I'm doing and getting the composition right.

I enjoyed looking through your shots, as they have a lot of interesting subjects and the setting is interesting as well.

I actually like the whole series in B&W it provides for consistency and works as a "panel".

*chr

Thanks Graham,

Ever since my days as a PJ I have always preferred primes and still consider iq to be better than zooms (I know some will dispute that) as well as them being smaller and generally faster.
I am happy to carry a couple of small fast primes rather than a bigger heavier zoom.
The 17mm is like the 45mm a small light lens that really delivers!

bilbo
9th December 2013, 10:28 AM
Does this lens extend when focussed, or does it remain the same flat 'pancake' size at all focus distances?

Thanks

Iansky
9th December 2013, 04:59 PM
Does this lens extend when focussed, or does it remain the same flat 'pancake' size at all focus distances?

Thanks

The lens does extend when focussed but no more than a couple of millimetres and the front element does not rotate.

A superb combo that I would be happy to recommend to anyone and with the current deal of body only for 400 or with kit lens for 449 (PC World) and a free 17mm worth 229 (Wex photo) that brings the body only price down to 171 for what is a EM5 Lite.

Great deal and great results from this combo at a price that is hard to beat!

gregles
9th December 2013, 07:10 PM
Great stuff again Ian*yes

Iansky
9th December 2013, 07:57 PM
Thanks Greg,

Embarrassingly, I am using it more than the EM1...........note to self, pull finger out and shoot more with EM1.

StephenL
9th December 2013, 08:50 PM
I have that lens permanently on my E-M5 body and it's perfectly coat-pocketable.

Iansky
10th December 2013, 10:47 AM
I have to agree Stephen, the lens being a pancake makes the combo very pocketable.

I have not tried it on the EM1 yet and suspect that combo will only go in a larger coat pocket but it is a very small lens that deliver great images.

Darren B
10th December 2013, 11:44 AM
Hi Ian, great photo's as always. Like you I took advantage of this offer and received my lens yesterday and took these pictures and posted them here http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30628 . I'm impressed what this combo can do.

Iansky
10th December 2013, 12:05 PM
Hi Darren,

Great set of images and I like the mix of Col & B&W.

No's 4 & 7 are my favourites as the seagull on the pots epitomizes a fishing environment and the second shot with the two people strolling along the promenade has a timeless quality about it that depicts a couple lost in their own thoughts but walking together and enjoying the brisk sea air.

I was also amazed how solid the camera feels (built like a tank) and the screen movements offer a great variety of shooting angles. This combo with the pancake 17 easily fit in a coat pocket so allow unobtrusive carriage yet easy access when needed.

I did invest in one of the JJC hoods with cut outs rather than a filter and it is a great addition not that I am aware of flare being an issue with this lens.

Onwards and upwards and I hope we both continue to enjoy using this small and efficient combo.

Chevvyf1
10th December 2013, 01:23 PM
Hi Ian, exceedingly beautiful set of images :)

I have to ask of you
1) did you shoot in mono or colour ?
2) how do you compare the 17 against the 12 ?
3) comparing the ONE to the 5, what do you miss on the 5 ?

I appreciate your replies :)

Iansky
10th December 2013, 05:32 PM
Hi Ian, exceedingly beautiful set of images :)

I have to ask of you
1) did you shoot in mono or colour ?
2) how do you compare the 17 against the 12 ?
3) comparing the ONE to the 5, what do you miss on the 5 ?

I appreciate your replies :)


Hi Chevvy,

Thanks for the kind comments and in answer to your questions:

1. I always shoot in Raw and use OV3 as my initial editing software then export as 16 bit tiff, import into PS and use the Silver Efex Pro2 plug in to convert to B&W before exporting finished image with border as 8 bit tiff and associated JPEG for posting at around 25okb in size.

2. The 17 is a very nice lens and great valus for money but ( and a minor but) it can be soft at the edges compared to the 12mm - it is however a third of the price of the 12 so not as solid & well made or as sharp but none the less it is still a very good lens and I do prefer it to the Pany 20 (less contrasty).

3. Comparing the 1 to the 5 is a fairly clear cut advantage for me, the IQ of the 1 is better than the 5 and images at high ISO are much cleaner. AF is faster and AFC / Tracking works!! something that I struggled with on the 5 but not the 1. I also prefer the dial & button set up and quality on the 1, they are far better placed, more solid and have a greater variety of options as well as being ergonomically better placed than on the 5. The 1 is only marginally larger than the 5 but the added grip is a worthy addition that makes it a very comfortable camera to carry & use all day. I did struggle with the sharpness of the 1 in comparison to the 5 at the start but, the recent firmware update has improved this and I now find the 1 delivers images that are as sharp as those from the 5, have a better tonal range so appear less contrasty as well as holding together far better when images are enlarged.

You can tell from my ramble above that I am happy with the 1 but still have a long way to go before I feel really comfortable with it and have as yet not "shot anything in anger" so I will reserve final judgement until I do.

I do now have a set of primes that I am delighted with both from an IQ perspective as well as a size weight one, yes, they cost an arm and a leg and I am frustrated at the lack of hoods & bags as provided by Panasonic but there are 3rd party options that work well and the lens is the main part so worth the investment.

All in all, I am happy with the EM1 as my primary shooter and the EPL5 as a backup!

Chevvyf1
10th December 2013, 06:44 PM
Ian, Special Thanks for all this valued information :)

I keep thinking of getting a "pocket kit" (hence asking about the 5) but find I always compare with current main body IQ and then I do not use the "pocket kit" - but the 5 would share lenses :) .. but I shall stick with the ONE s :)

I had great fun with my "primes (75 and 60 Macro) out performing my FAV 75-300 but it was indoors + studio lights ... :) However, I was pleased and thinking thanks to your commentary on primes :) which tipped my glass investment

Iansky
10th December 2013, 07:19 PM
Chevvy,

Sorry, my references above were in relation to the OMD EM5 (now traded in against EM1) - I got the EPL5 as a small backup unit.

The EPL5 is a stunning camera and is effectively an OMD5 Lite, small, solid and compact that is an easy to always have with you unit - the 17mm f2.8 is a great complimentary lens for it.

A definite easy to always have with you job!

Imageryone
10th December 2013, 11:03 PM
Fascinating images, Ian, the monochrome sets them up perfectly.

Iansky
11th December 2013, 08:20 AM
Thanks David,

I do prefer to shoot street in B&W as to my mind it focuses more on the main subject rather than using colours to attract.

Chevvyf1
11th December 2013, 08:45 AM
Thanks David,

I do prefer to shoot street in B&W as to my mind it focuses more on the main subject rather than using colours to attract.

YES ! your so right - never thought about it before *chr *chr *chr

Peter_Hartland
11th December 2013, 08:36 PM
Nice set of sharp Street images, I also like to go out with a single prime often, in my case the Voigtlander 25mm set for hyper focal which with Focus Peaking works really well.

Iansky
12th December 2013, 08:23 AM
I agree Peter, you can't (to my mind) beat a nice prime for street work as often it is easier to physically move closer to the subject matter and in doing so discover a better angle than it is to stand off and use a zoom.

The Voigtlander is a nice lens but for that 25mm focal length, I will stick with my PanaLeica 25 that is my prime street lens on the EM1, it may not be quite as fast as the Voigtlander but is very quick to AF and delivers stunning results.

We have some amazing glass for the Mu43 system now and much of it can outperform glass for pro level full frame (certainly the glass I had with my kit).

byegad
13th December 2013, 08:47 AM
Yes great combination and one of my favourite lenses. That and the 45mm make a great pair, I would also sing the praises of the Sigma 30mm and 60mm.

Love the Monochrome series too!

Iansky
13th December 2013, 09:30 AM
I have tried the 45 for street but do prefer the 17mm on the EPL5 and the 25mm of the EM1 as it balances better and I find it the perfect focal length for street.

There are many superb lenses available for the Mu43 system now and many are useable for street depending on individual shooter preferences for standing off / getting in close.