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paullus
5th November 2013, 05:16 PM
As they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

http://www.europe-nikon.com/en_GB/product/digital-cameras/slr/consumer/df?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=UK_November_Dflaunch


Is that a push-button release I see on the selector wheels?
Now where have I seen that recently?
But no video!

Apparently the Df is only available as a kit with a 50mm lens, at a price of 2749.99!!



Steve

StephenL
5th November 2013, 05:22 PM
I wouldn't mind having no video. I personally have no use for it. But apparently it costs next to nothing at the manufacturing end.

Still think the OMDs (both of them) look better than the Nikon, although it's not bad.

G2EWS
5th November 2013, 05:24 PM
At £2,750 it's a steal!

Well a steal of your wallet anyway!!

Regards

Chris

Olybirder
5th November 2013, 05:27 PM
Is that a push-button release I see on the selector wheels?
Now where have I seen that recently?
To be fair, I think Nikon used a locking dial mode button on the D600. I think the difference with the one on the E-M1 is that you press it to lock it and press it again to unlock it. I believe you have to hold the button down on the D600 while you rotate the dial. I could be wrong, though.

Ron

Ulfric M Douglas
5th November 2013, 06:32 PM
It's a nice camera and I'm sure not influenced at all by anything remotely m4/3rds.

A smaller D4 with retro styling = win for the hefty of wallet.
Way too big to interest me though.

banjukes
5th November 2013, 06:51 PM
Nice looking camera and very capable too I'm sure. It would want to be very good to beat the M1.

Zuiko
5th November 2013, 07:51 PM
I wouldn't mind having no video. I personally have no use for it. But apparently it costs next to nothing at the manufacturing end.

Still think the OMDs (both of them) look better than the Nikon, although it's not bad.

Video? Do Olympus cameras have video? :D

The original OM cameras looked better than the F's too. In fact, the OM1 was as close as you could get to sex with silver halide. *lovesick

George Dorn
5th November 2013, 09:18 PM
It's probably a lovely camera.

Wonder if it's available unbadged?

bilbo
5th November 2013, 09:29 PM
the OM1 was as close as you could get to sex with silver halide. *lovesicki'm sorry John but you really must get out more. :rolleyes:

bredman
6th November 2013, 01:57 AM
It is quite lovely. They just went a bit too far, it almost looks like it's been steampunked from certain angles. I reckon after time when you looked at it, it would become a case of embarrassment, rather than pleasure.

Zuiko
6th November 2013, 02:13 AM
...... it almost looks like it's been steampunked from certain angles.



Now that would be an intriguing design fashion for cameras! :D

Ian
6th November 2013, 12:44 PM
It's a nice camera and I'm sure not influenced at all by anything remotely m4/3rds.

A smaller D4 with retro styling = win for the hefty of wallet.
Way too big to interest me though.

It's not remotely a smaller D4 - yes it has the D4 viewfinder and sensor, but the shutter is slower, it has an inferior AF system, slower shooting rate, no video, no power grip, etc.

My article on DPNow is here:

http://dpnow.com/9374.html

Ian

PS It's likely that Nikon was already working on the Df before the E-M5 came out, but with the Pen beforehand, plus Fuji retro style cameras and the Epson RD cameras and even Leica's influence, the Nikon Df is the latest on the bandwagon.

Olybirder
6th November 2013, 01:09 PM
I am trying to remember when Minox introduced their little replica, retro cameras (http://www.minox.com/index.php?id=6100&L=1). Perhaps they were the originators of the trend?

Ron

snaarman
6th November 2013, 01:14 PM
Mmm. It does look nice, very similar to the brace of FE2s I had a decade ago.

However: The price.....

StephenL
6th November 2013, 01:29 PM
I had a Nikon FM. Lovely little camera. The guy I sold it to, back in the 1980s, still has it and won't let me have it back!

paullus
6th November 2013, 04:28 PM
It's not remotely a smaller D4 - yes it has the D4 viewfinder and sensor, but the shutter is slower, it has an inferior AF system, slower shooting rate, no video, no power grip, etc.

My article on DPNow is here:

http://dpnow.com/9374.html

Ian



Pray tell Ian, how does it compare build quality wise and ergonomically to the E-M1 please?


Steve

Zuiko
6th November 2013, 04:53 PM
It's not remotely a smaller D4 - yes it has the D4 viewfinder and sensor, but the shutter is slower, it has an inferior AF system, slower shooting rate, no video, no power grip, etc.

My article on DPNow is here:

http://dpnow.com/9374.html

Ian

PS It's likely that Nikon was already working on the Df before the E-M5 came out, but with the Pen beforehand, plus Fuji retro style cameras and the Epson RD cameras and even Leica's influence, the Nikon Df is the latest on the bandwagon.

Ian, do you think Nikon will ever catch up and get with the program? :D

Ian
6th November 2013, 05:48 PM
Pray tell Ian, how does it compare build quality wise and ergonomically to the E-M1 please?


Steve

I only had a brief play - it's much bigger than either of the OM-Ds, and heavier. The build quality is solid, as you would expect (sealed magnesium alloy body for both). Ergonomically - if you like old-style shutter speed dials, you'll like the Nikon :). Here's a summary:

Nikon Df-:- OM-D E-M1

Top shutter speed: 1/4000th -:- 1/8000th
Minimum ISO: 50 -:- 100
Maximum ISO: 204800 -:- 25600
Maxiumum sequential shooting rate: 5.5fps -:- 10fps
LCD screen: top (small) and rear fixed -:- rear only tilting
Viewfinder magnification: big -:- bigger
Video recording: no -:- yes (30p only)
Power grip: no -:- yes
Weight (body only): 710g -:- 443g
Weight with (equiv.FF) 28-200 zoom lens: w/28-300 f/3.5-5.6 1510g -:- w/14-150 f/4-5.6 723g
Image stabilisation for all lenses: no -:- yes (up to 5EVs)
Wifi capability: Optional WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter 45 -:- Yes
Compatible with Leica M-series lenses via adapter No -:- Yes

Hope that's interesting! :D

Ian

Invicta
7th November 2013, 08:45 AM
Not sure when the OMD EM-1 started development but the Nikon Df was in development for more than 4 years and the official release was delayed by the earthquake in Japan.

You can see some of the early Df design sketches at:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/622/200/html/06.jpg.html

Full article if your Japanese is good:


http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20131105_622200.html

I would like one of those clocks shown towards the end of the article.

snaarman
12th November 2013, 08:20 AM
I do like the look of this here Nikon DF from the front, but I don't like the price.

However when you compare it to a classic 35mm film Nikon ...

http://blogbeebe.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/why-well-never-have-true-digital-nikon.html

.. you realise what went wrong. They kept the mirror in order to keep 50 years of Nikkor lenses. All of a sudden the minimum possible size of the camera is defined, and it comes out actually rather bulky.

Ultimately the E-M1/E-M5 mirrorless route starts to look like the better decision.

Pete