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Ian
12th September 2013, 09:06 PM
Was supposed to have received the new m.Zuiko 12-40 f/2.8 Pro last week in time for the launch coverage but it got lost in the system at one of Olympus' retailers who had it in for catalogue photography. The rather weird thing is that there is only one in the country - and it's already missing its lens hood!

Ian

Andrew Riddell
12th September 2013, 09:54 PM
You mean the lens hood is actually included???

Andrew

Ian
12th September 2013, 10:10 PM
You mean the lens hood is actually included???

Andrew

Shock horror, but yes it does!

Ian

snaarman
12th September 2013, 10:17 PM
Ian;

It really is time to change your avatar :-)

BTW: Deep respect to you for having knowledge of this monster camera and keeping it quiet for so long in the face of those leaks. That must have been difficult.

Looking at the spec and the early reviews it really deserves to be a worthy successor to the excellent E-M5 for Olympus.

In fact it looks like a E-M5 with a sprinkling of E-1 magic dust on it. :) If only I had a couple of grand to spare...


Pete

benvendetta
12th September 2013, 10:26 PM
Was supposed to have received the new m.Zuiko 12-40 f/2.8 Pro last week in time for the launch coverage but it got lost in the system at one of Olympus' retailers who had it in for catalogue photography. The rather weird thing is that there is only one in the country - and it's already missing its lens hood!

Ian

So I guess there will just be bodies at Bristol tomorrow :(

Dan in NC
12th September 2013, 11:02 PM
I will be interested in your review of this lens. It has the potential to be a really good one.

Pierre L
13th September 2013, 01:43 AM
So I guess there will just be bodies at Bristol tomorrow :(
... or an opportunity to see how the E-M1 handles the 12-60mm SWD?

I am interested in this aspect since I plan to travel to Park Cameras on Saturday

benvendetta
13th September 2013, 06:18 AM
... or an opportunity to see how the E-M1 handles the 12-60mm SWD?

I am interested in this aspect since I plan to travel to Park Cameras on Saturday

Although my 12-60 is my weapon of choice, I wouldn't have minded a play with the 'new' kit lens.

drmarkf
13th September 2013, 07:18 AM
I had a very interesting but brief play with the 12-40 at the London meet yesterday, comparing it against my Panny 12-35. The light wasn't great in the studio and I didn't go outside in to the street since someone else was queuing to try the lens, so I'm not going to compare critically the image quali at ASA 1600!

Raw, uncorrected images look to have about the same amount of distortion across the zoom range, for what that's worth. I didn't detect any obvious difference in focussing speed. In-lens OIS might sway some Panasonic body owners (while putting off Oly body owners since they're paying for something they'll never use).

I've come to love the 12-35, and I'm sure I'd have felt the same about this: the Oly is noticeably heavier, but the size difference is minimal. 62 vs 58mm filter sizes might be significant for a few people. Both lenses feel very high quality and smooth in handling, although the zoom rings move in opposite directions, of course.

The Panny front element is more curved, I think, such that I feel compelled to use a UV filter to make it easier to clean & dry.

It'll be interesting to see how the prices compare after the 12-40 has been around for a few months. I don't think the zoom range difference would sway me either way and if I was choosing between them from scratch it would be a tough choice.

Both come with hoods :D

OM USer
13th September 2013, 09:20 AM
Being somewhat peculiar I would like to see how the E-M5 + 12-40mm stacks up against the E-M1 + FT 12-60mm. Is the E-M1 going to get people excited about buying 4/3rd glass (as oppossed to those who already have it) or is the new "Pro" range of MFT lenses going to be as good as the legendary HG/SHG.

benvendetta
13th September 2013, 09:38 AM
I don't think that the range of Pro glass will ever rival the range of HG and SHG glass

Ian
13th September 2013, 10:15 AM
I don't think that the range of Pro glass will ever rival the range of HG and SHG glass

I met the optical designer of the 12-40 in Japan last month and he says the 12-40 is sharper than the 12-60. It's an incredibly ambitious design. Andy Westlake, who is one of dpreview's lens specialists, joked to me that they should simply highlight the lens elements that are ordinary rather than mark out all the special glass in the optics layout diagram :)

Ian

Ian
13th September 2013, 10:19 AM
I had a very interesting but brief play with the 12-40 at the London meet yesterday, comparing it against my Panny 12-35. The light wasn't great in the studio and I didn't go outside in to the street since someone else was queuing to try the lens, so I'm not going to compare critically the image quali at ASA 1600!

Raw, uncorrected images look to have about the same amount of distortion across the zoom range, for what that's worth. I didn't detect any obvious difference in focussing speed. In-lens OIS might sway some Panasonic body owners (while putting off Oly body owners since they're paying for something they'll never use).

I've come to love the 12-35, and I'm sure I'd have felt the same about this: the Oly is noticeably heavier, but the size difference is minimal. 62 vs 58mm filter sizes might be significant for a few people. Both lenses feel very high quality and smooth in handling, although the zoom rings move in opposite directions, of course.

The Panny front element is more curved, I think, such that I feel compelled to use a UV filter to make it easier to clean & dry.

It'll be interesting to see how the prices compare after the 12-40 has been around for a few months. I don't think the zoom range difference would sway me either way and if I was choosing between them from scratch it would be a tough choice.

Both come with hoods :D

How were you viewing the RAW files because corrections are applied automatically in many RAW converters as standard.

Ian

Ian
13th September 2013, 10:21 AM
So I guess there will just be bodies at Bristol tomorrow :(

The 12-40 I have WAS the only one up until yesterday. More may have arrived since then for the demos. When we arrived in Ireland for our press launch and intro a shipment of some 30+ 12-40s so we could all have one each only arrived 15 minutes before we did!

I'd be interested to know if there are any more.

Ian

Pierre L
13th September 2013, 10:54 AM
I met the optical designer of the 12-40 in Japan last month and he says the 12-40 is sharper than the 12-60. It's an incredibly ambitious design. Andy Westlake, who is one of dpreview's lens specialists, joked to me that they should simply highlight the lens elements that are ordinary rather than mark out all the special glass in the optics layout diagram :)

Ian
I didn't want to read that! I definitely want the 12-40 now, and possibly the E-M1 to go with it. :)

mige0
13th September 2013, 06:05 PM
... or an opportunity to see how the E-M1 handles the 12-60mm SWD?


I'm too are interested in a direct comparison.

Here is Mings Thein's take on the new glass

http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/09/13/lens-review-the-olympus-12-40/#more-6944

Be aware about the weird behavior regarding aperture.
Or did I just miss this at the 12-60 ?

bredman
13th September 2013, 06:32 PM
I ordered the 12-40 after reading the Olympus claim that it was superior to the 12-60. Can't wait to get my hands on it, and the future pro lenses too.

Ian
13th September 2013, 06:37 PM
I ordered the 12-40 after reading the Olympus claim that it was superior to the 12-60. Can't wait to get my hands on it, and the future pro lenses too.

Yes, the mtf charts give the 12-40 the edge on paper.

Ian

mige0
13th September 2013, 06:40 PM
Yes, the mtf charts give the 12-40 the edge on paper.



mhhh... but not at the long end end and off centre, as I see it.

mige0
14th September 2013, 07:52 AM
Yes, the mtf charts give the 12-40 the edge on paper.


mhhh .... If you have a chance to do so, would you please also check out the issue highlighted by Ming Thein in his review that comes up at the short end when stopping down ?

As he pointed out, the off center resolution there drops significantly.
No good for landscape photograpy, I'm afraid. :(

drmarkf
14th September 2013, 04:33 PM
How were you viewing the RAW files because corrections are applied automatically in many RAW converters as standard.

Ian

Hi Ian.
Yes, I can't remember exactly what I was using just then, but I normally use Capture One as a raw converter and for orfs run them through PTLens' 12-35 module. I very much enjoy C1, which I've been using for years, and don't mind this minor extra hassle.

drmarkf
14th September 2013, 04:37 PM
No good for landscape photograpy, I'm afraid. :(

I certainly haven't used this lens for more than a few minutes indoors, but surely in real life that's going a bit far!

The same could be said about the 'odd double bokeh' criticism he makes of the panny 12-35. I agree that lens doesn't have the greatest bokeh in the known universe, but if I want real subject isolation and superb bokeh I use a wider prime, anyway.

If we took all possible parameters of criticism against all lenses we'd never buy anything! :D

Greytop
14th September 2013, 05:58 PM
mhhh .... If you have a chance to do so, would you please also check out the issue highlighted by Ming Thein in his review that comes up at the short end when stopping down ?

As he pointed out, the off center resolution there drops significantly.
No good for landscape photograpy, I'm afraid. :(

Intrigued by your comments I read Ming Thein's review... twice.
Why did I read it again? Because I couldn't find any reference to off centre resolution dropping 'significantly' when stopping down at 12 mm. He does however say the edges 'degrade a fraction' and describes it as 'nitpicking'.
If this lens performs as he reports it looks like being the all-round zoom to have for m4/3rds.

You can rest easy as it looks like it should perform just fine as a landscape tool ;):D

Wee man
14th September 2013, 06:19 PM
I have used the 12- 40 in Ireland it is a super lens and the hood uses two push buttons to put it on or take it off. Will try to post shots still sorting my kitchen
( 50% of my new camera is coming my way due to this work) hope to finish tonight one little compression joint is giving me a headache but I will get there!

mige0
15th September 2013, 07:49 AM
Intrigued by your comments I read Ming Thein's review... twice.
Why did I read it again? Because I couldn't find any reference to off centre resolution dropping 'significantly' when stopping down at 12 mm. He does however say the edges 'degrade a fraction' and describes it as 'nitpicking'.


Well.
What he is saying and what shows up in his crop pictures definitely does not correlate for me.
The unsharpness stopped down is severe, at least to my taste.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5490/9670278548_bd0e3764bc_o.jpg

taken from:
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/09/13/lens-review-the-olympus-12-40/comment-page-1/#comment-50387

Whats left open, is to which amount this is caused by field curvature and possibly could be corrected by some degree by manual refocusing.

Thus in practice it might not be a show stopper, but there is hardly enough practice yet.
:)
Hope Ian can help to clarify the severeness of this issue with a side by side comparison of the 12-60, so lets wait and see.

mige0
15th September 2013, 08:06 AM
I certainly haven't used this lens for more than a few minutes indoors, but surely in real life that's going a bit far!

The same could be said about the 'odd double bokeh' criticism he makes of the panny 12-35. I agree that lens doesn't have the greatest bokeh in the known universe, but if I want real subject isolation and superb bokeh I use a wider prime, anyway.

If we took all possible parameters of criticism against all lenses we'd never buy anything! :D

:D
Well, I look at it from a different point of view.

Having exclusively used the 12-60/ 50-200 Combo already at the E-PL1 the question arises, if its the better choice to buy the new 12-40 for the E-M5 or to stay with the 12-60 and buy the E-M1 instead.

Sure this is a theoretical scenario for most Olly users ( and most certainly even for me) but I hope you get the point ?

Greytop
15th September 2013, 09:47 AM
Well.
What he is saying and what shows up in his crop pictures definitely does not correlate for me.
The unsharpness stopped down is severe, at least to my taste.

taken from:
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/09/13/lens-review-the-olympus-12-40/comment-page-1/#comment-50387

Whats left open, is to which amount this is caused by field curvature and possibly could be corrected by some degree by manual refocusing.

Thus in practice it might not be a show stopper, but there is hardly enough practice yet.
:)
Hope Ian can help to clarify the severeness of this issue with a side by side comparison of the 12-60, so lets wait and see.

Fair enough, I can see (to my eyes) a slight drop in sharpness but given these are 100% crops it wouldn't be enough to put me off using it at f/5.6.
As you say it could be down to field curvature in which case changing the point of focus could do the trick or a little additional zone sharpening with CO7 would also have a similar effect.

Ian
15th September 2013, 02:17 PM
Here's some more test sample imagery to get your teeth into - back to back comparisons of the 12-40 and 12-60, full res JPEG and RAW files...

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28993

Ian

mige0
15th September 2013, 04:20 PM
Here's some more test sample imagery to get your teeth into - back to back comparisons of the 12-40 and 12-60, full res JPEG and RAW files...

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28993

Ian

Thanks a lot !