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lizziebea
9th March 2013, 09:25 AM
I was at Focus in Imaging and the chat from Olympus at Focus - cos they don't know nuffin either - is that Olympus had taken the new E7 to the Olympics and were so unsatisfied that they have taken it away and are doing a full rewrite. They must have found the same difficulties I had with things moving. So here's hoping a perfect camera for the E7 - due September I believe.

Zuiko
9th March 2013, 10:19 AM
If true, I'm very surprised that they got so far before realizing fundemental flaws. And, of course, we still don't know if the E-7 is a conventional DSLR or some type of hybrid - if it was MFT we would expect an E-M designation. I wouldn't put too much trust in what you heard. :)

Ulfric M Douglas
9th March 2013, 02:20 PM
This does not deserve to be in the "Announcements" subforum.

David M
9th March 2013, 02:32 PM
I never look at what forum a thread's in. Is there a humour forum?

StephenL
9th March 2013, 02:57 PM
I never look at what forum a thread's in. Is there a humour forum?

I usually look in the Canon forum for that ....

Ian
9th March 2013, 03:51 PM
I have heard so many laughable explanations from company reps and so-called 'connected' outsiders about camera company plans I could write a book about them. Personally, I NEVER publish any information as fact unless I have had it confirmed by someone whose credentials are impeccable. The news that the E-M5 did not have a Panasonic sensor is a great example - beforehand I did say that I would be amazed if the E-M5 didn't have a Panasonic sensor but that wasn't the same as saying it definitely was. As soon as I heard from a very trusted source that the sensor wasn't Panasonic's, I published this - as fact (although I didn't know who actually made the sensor at the time) stating that my source was 100% reliable (in fact a senior Panasonic manager from Japan, as it happens, but I didn't want to identify him). That didn't stop me from being villified by those who thought I was barking mad :)

Ian

David M
9th March 2013, 04:27 PM
I've heard a lot from company reps over the years but not enough to fill a book. One classic was from a rep for the UK Velbon importer. When Gitzo introduced the first carbon fibre tripod he told me that carbon fibre was water soluble. On a later occasion he told me carbon fibre breaks down in sunlight. I reminded him of his statements when Velbon introduced their first carbon fibre tripod. :D

Zuiko
9th March 2013, 04:46 PM
A LowePro rep once assured me that a camera bag was 100% waterproof, even though the zipped lid was totally unprotected by any type of flap or cover.

David M
9th March 2013, 07:06 PM
I once had a rep from a third party lens importer try to convince me that his company's new, slow, 'macro' superzoom would replace most of my primes and macro lenses.

Ian
9th March 2013, 07:16 PM
Yup, Sony PR staff told me that a) video in DSLRs was completely unnecessary and so was Live View. Nikon and Canon said the same at various points.

Ian

Seonnaidh
10th March 2013, 09:39 AM
yep, and I can remember being at a trade show and being told by a Nikon sales guy from Nikon that there was absolutely no need for complex electronics in cameras as it would make them far too complex and fragile. He went on to say what was the purpose of autofocus?

Mmmmm!

Ian
10th March 2013, 10:19 AM
Now doubt beleaguered Olympus reps were extolling the virtues of manual focus over autofocus for a very long time :D

Ian

Bikie John
10th March 2013, 11:35 AM
Now doubt beleaguered Olympus reps were extolling the virtues of manual focus over autofocus for a very long time :D

Ian

A small part of me thinks that they may have had a point. The problem we have had for a while is that focussing screens are optimised for the camera to autofocus, and they are harder to focus manually by eye. When conditions are such that autofocus struggles, it becomes even more difficult to focus manually.

Of course, the playing field tilts considerably now we have electronic viewfinders. Give them a couple more iterations of development and improvement and I think they will be very nearly as good as ground glass, and offer an awful lot of collateral advantages like live histograms, magnified vew and so on.

Ciao ... John

crimbo
10th March 2013, 11:54 AM
...and what ever comes along we will be amazed and disappointed by!

for example Fuji have on chip PDAF and are using the info to give a retro split screen focus...what ever we see from Olympus it is sure to be out of date within 6 months

...wasnt there are song that said 'love the one you are with'?
... enjoy the kit you have...the next iteration for Olympus will be here soon enough...

David M
10th March 2013, 02:22 PM
John, your LowePro story reminded me of one of mine. I was looking at bags at a trade show, something I could strap on the back of a motorcycle. A rep tried to convince me a zip closed nylon bag would offer the same level of protection as a Pelican case. :rolleyes:

cinders
11th March 2013, 01:20 PM
I was in a well known chain of 'camera' shops a few years back and one of the very young salesmen was telling a potential compact camera customer that telephoto ability on their compact wasn't very important. No doubt he had a load of cheap x3 compacts in stock.

Sisi
29th July 2013, 02:20 PM
Hi,
Can anyone actually verify if there is an E7 or equivalent for the top pro 4 thirds lenses on the way?
News since the press release last year has gone very quiet!
Thanks.
Sisi

lizziebea
29th July 2013, 03:50 PM
Thanks Sisi for reminding us of the original thread.

Does anyone know what is happening?

lizziebea
29th July 2013, 03:51 PM
Actually I am using my OMD5 more and more and I feel very sentimental about my 4/3s full size lenses, but the truth is that the OMD is far more convenient and lighter.

Zuiko
29th July 2013, 05:52 PM
Actually I am using my OMD5 more and more and I feel very sentimental about my 4/3s full size lenses, but the truth is that the OMD is far more convenient and lighter.

The E-M5 removed my last remaining doubt over converting exclusively to Micro Four Thirds. Good as the old 4/3 lenses are, I have no plans to use them again because they are big and heavy. So, for me, an E7 is now irrelevant but I recognize that it is of great importance to many existing users. With that in mind I hope Olympus are able to give us some specific news sooner rather than later.

Hopefully, this is in some way connected with Ian's trip to Japan this week, although it is unlikely that any specific details will be directly forthcoming from it.

Phill D
29th July 2013, 08:41 PM
Fingers crossed by me. But if it's too big and heavy then I'll make the same decision you did John.

crimbo
29th July 2013, 08:55 PM
For me, I need those 4/3 lenses for concert photography

benvendetta
29th July 2013, 09:21 PM
The E7 won't happen.

Ian
29th July 2013, 09:38 PM
The E7 won't happen.

Do you mean there will be no solution to satisfy users of Four Thirds lenses or more simply that there will be no camera called an E-7?

Ian

Zuiko
29th July 2013, 09:40 PM
Do you mean there will be no solution to satisfy users of Four Thirds lenses or more simply that there will be no camera called an E-7?

Ian

Are you in Japan yet, Ian? :D

Ian
29th July 2013, 09:41 PM
My intention is to post regularly from my trip to Japan :) I'm flying tomorrow morning and a fair amount of sightseeing is planned for the 8 days and 7 nights that Julia and I will be spending there.

Ian

Ian
29th July 2013, 09:44 PM
Are you in Japan yet, Ian? :D

First leg of our itinerary starts 09:55 from Heathrow to Schiphol (Amsterdam) and the long haul segment is just after noon (European time) arriving just under 11 hours later in Osaka, 8AM local time.

Fingers crossed the weather isn't as rainy as the forecasts suggest :(

Ian

Zuiko
29th July 2013, 09:45 PM
My intention is to post regularly from my trip to Japan :) I'm flying tomorrow morning and a fair amount of sightseeing is planned for the 8 days and 7 nights that Julia and I will be spending there.

Ian

Oh good, that means lots of pictures - looking forward to them! I'm sure you and Julia will have a great time. :)

Zuiko
29th July 2013, 09:50 PM
First leg of our itinerary starts 09:55 from Heathrow to Schiphol (Amsterdam) and the long haul segment is just after noon (European time) arriving just under 11 hours later in Osaka, 8AM local time.

Fingers crossed the weather isn't as rainy as the forecasts suggest :(

Ian

So you will arrive around midnight (European time) feeling ready for bed, only to find it's the start of a new day! :eek:

I hope they've got that forecast wrong, but have you got an E-M5 plus 12-50mm just in case?

Ian
29th July 2013, 10:16 PM
So you will arrive around midnight (European time) feeling ready for bed, only to find it's the start of a new day! :eek:

I hope they've got that forecast wrong, but have you got an E-M5 plus 12-50mm just in case?

Sure do :)

Ian

benvendetta
29th July 2013, 10:31 PM
I am sure there will be a 43 lenses solution but it won't be a full size dSLR like the E5. It may be called something like em7 I guess.

David M
29th July 2013, 11:30 PM
I haven't used my HG and SHG glass in months but I still want a solution. All my manual focus primes will adapt to either 4/3 or m4/3. If the new camera takes both I can add some of the fast, manual focus primes now available for m4/3.

The Saint
30th July 2013, 08:47 AM
I used my E-3 for the first time in over a year last week. After reacquainting myself with how heavy it is compared to OMD it was a pleasure to use. I forgot how quick it focus' compared to the OMD. For photographing a quick moving 7 a side football match this was the right option for me as the OMD would have struggled to keep up.

Not that I could justify buying an E-7 for the ocassional sports photography I do, a hybrid so I could lose the OMD would be worth considering, or alternatively some fast long tele lenses.

Simon

Iansky
30th July 2013, 09:13 AM
Interesting times ahead for Olympus.

The success of the OMD must surely encourage them to release an upgraded/new model to include PDAF, shutter speed of 1/8000 or better, faster flash syn 1/500 and base ISO of 100 this will then allow us to get good use of fast lenses wide open on bright days.

I would personally be happy to sacrifice high ISO capability for a lower base as I try not to shoot above 1600/3200 absolute tops and then very rarely but that is just me.

I am happy with the camera footprint and hope that will not change too much as well as also being able to use the existing HLD-6 system otherwise upgrading/changing becomes too expensive.

I would however, not be surprised to see a new 4/3 camera as there are a great set of lenses already in place and it has been a long time since a new body was released, however, the balancing act is fine.....Mu43 with ability to take both 4/3 & mu43 lenses without adaptor to capitalise on OMD success and growing lens line up, or pure 4/3 body with very high spec to draw people back in?

The link up with Sony will I am sure play a major part and I am sure we will see great new sensors, higher quality EVF's & LCD's all in well made solid weatherproof Olympus designed bodies.

Just hope they get there before Fuji & Pany combo release their conjoined camera!

Exciting times and reasons to see more pros switching formats.

Sisi
30th July 2013, 01:18 PM
Re - For me, I need those 4/3 lenses for concert photography
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I'm in the same position! I use the 90-250 and 35-100 for concert photography and could do with a superior body and quieter like the OMD. Still may try OMD with the adapter and see if it is workable!

Bikie John
30th July 2013, 02:04 PM
Sisi and Chris - do you need AF for long lens concert stuff? If you can use MF, the older lenses will work just as well on the E-M5 with the advantages of better IS and lower noise at high ISO. Plus the EVF gives extra help with manual focus (magnified view, pseudo-focus peaking with the line art filter).

I'm speaking theoretically as I haven't tried it yet.

John

Zuiko
30th July 2013, 02:10 PM
Interesting times ahead for Olympus.

The success of the OMD must surely encourage them to release an upgraded/new model to include PDAF, shutter speed of 1/8000 or better, faster flash syn 1/500 and base ISO of 100 this will then allow us to get good use of fast lenses wide open on bright days.

I would personally be happy to sacrifice high ISO capability for a lower base as I try not to shoot above 1600/3200 absolute tops and then very rarely but that is just me.

I am happy with the camera footprint and hope that will not change too much as well as also being able to use the existing HLD-6 system otherwise upgrading/changing becomes too expensive.

I would however, not be surprised to see a new 4/3 camera as there are a great set of lenses already in place and it has been a long time since a new body was released, however, the balancing act is fine.....Mu43 with ability to take both 4/3 & mu43 lenses without adaptor to capitalise on OMD success and growing lens line up, or pure 4/3 body with very high spec to draw people back in?

The link up with Sony will I am sure play a major part and I am sure we will see great new sensors, higher quality EVF's & LCD's all in well made solid weatherproof Olympus designed bodies.

Just hope they get there before Fuji & Pany combo release their conjoined camera!

Exciting times and reasons to see more pros switching formats.

I'm with you on sacrificng high ISO to achieve a lower base ISO, but I expect base will remain at 200 with an expanded low range of 100 and possibly 50. In theaory that could result in slightly lower IQ below 200 but base is already so good I wouldn't expect this to be an issue.

Chevvyf1
30th July 2013, 02:21 PM
Oh good, that means lots of pictures - looking forward to them! I'm sure you and Julia will have a great time. :)

Yes Have a Great Holidays Ian :) and please come back with some E-7 news - if I do not hear soon on the "requirements for birds in flight" part of the spec (which the OM-D fails miserably at) I have to go Canon or Nikon ASAP :eek: the worst bit of which, would be missing everyone here :(

although I shall still have my E-1s but will not be able to post from Dark Side cameras/lenses :( :(

Zuiko
30th July 2013, 02:41 PM
Yes Have a Great Holidays Ian :) and please come back with some E-7 news - if I do not hear soon on the "requirements for birds in flight" part of the spec (which the OM-D fails miserably at) I have to go Canon or Nikon ASAP :eek: the worst bit of which, would be missing everyone here :(

although I shall still have my E-1s but will not be able to post from Dark Side cameras/lenses :( :(

You'll still be welcome to pop in, say hello and join in some of the banter - but let's hope it doesn't come to that. :)

Chevvyf1
30th July 2013, 03:43 PM
You'll still be welcome to pop in, say hello and join in some of the banter - but let's hope it doesn't come to that. :)

oooh! John Thank You *chr

I would take photos with my E-1s and post here too :) -)

I phoned Park Cameras to place an order "for the Sept Olympus" but they said, NO CAN DO!

Sisi
30th July 2013, 04:38 PM
Sisi and Chris - do you need AF for long lens concert stuff? If you can use MF, the older lenses will work just as well on the E-M5 with the advantages of better IS and lower noise at high ISO. Plus the EVF gives extra help with manual focus (magnified view, pseudo-focus peaking with the line art filter).

I'm speaking theoretically as I haven't tried it yet.

John

Hi,
Well ideally I need AF as photographing conductors and so on moving all the time is tricky on manual focus but I would like to try out the OMD and the adapter just to see if it is too limiting in that respect.

crimbo
30th July 2013, 05:45 PM
With concert photography the lens is usually wide open and if you are working head on it is usually okay but auto focus is much better than manual... Last weekend it was epm-2 ISO 3200 f5.6 and E-620 ISO 1600 f3.5.... Need a new Oly that drives the bigger lenses

David Morison
30th July 2013, 07:15 PM
Yes Have a Great Holidays Ian :) and please come back with some E-7 news - if I do not hear soon on the "requirements for birds in flight" part of the spec (which the OM-D fails miserably at) I have to go Canon or Nikon ASAP :eek: the worst bit of which, would be missing everyone here :(

although I shall still have my E-1s but will not be able to post from Dark Side cameras/lenses :( :(

Chevvy, As you know I have gone over to the Dark Side by purchasing a Canon 7D for BIF but still use the E-M5 as a static wildlife/landscape/macro tool as I believe that it has a higher IQ than the Canon. Now the E-M5 plus the Canon 400mm f5.6 and 1.4x converter using MF gives me stunning results with static subjects so even if Olympus bring out a CDAF/PDAF m4/3 body it will be the 7D body that is first to go!

David

Chevvyf1
30th July 2013, 08:28 PM
Chevvy, As you know I have gone over to the Dark Side by purchasing a Canon 7D for BIF but still use the E-M5 as a static wildlife/landscape/macro tool as I believe that it has a higher IQ than the Canon. Now the E-M5 plus the Canon 400mm f5.6 and 1.4x converter using MF gives me stunning results with static subjects so even if Olympus bring out a CDAF/PDAF m4/3 body it will be the 7D body that is first to go!

David

David, REALLY is the Canon poorer IQ ????? Mind you the E-M5 is top dollar but how does it (Canon) compare to E-5 (you had one ?)

Zuiko
30th July 2013, 08:49 PM
I phoned Park Cameras to place an order "for the Sept Olympus" but they said, NO CAN DO!



Cheeky, but nice try! *chr I notice they said they can't take the order but didn't deny knowledge of the camera. Maybe we should all phone multiple stockists - someone, somewhere might let something slip! :D

Or not. :rolleyes:

Phill D
31st July 2013, 02:27 AM
Don't suppose they said how much it's likely to be?

Zuiko
31st July 2013, 03:41 AM
Don't suppose they said how much it's likely to be?

Whether it is a DSLR to directly replace the E-5 or the long promised MFT camera with a PDAF solution for FT lenses, it will not be cheap. My guess is around 1500 body only. There really needs to be an update to the E5xx or E6xx ranges to cater for loyal users on a tighter budget (i.e. most of us).

One hopeful rumour is that there will at some point be a simplified, entry level OM-D at a lower price, but that won't help people who want to continue to use their existing FT lenses very much.

Chevvyf1
31st July 2013, 07:26 AM
Cheeky, but nice try! *chr I notice they said they can't take the order but didn't deny knowledge of the camera. Maybe we should all phone multiple stockists - someone, somewhere might let something slip! :D

Or not. :rolleyes:

John, the MOST DECENT thing Olympus should do, is let us KNOW when they let the Dealers know ;) I, for one am now getting annoyed ! Because if the Sept date is correct, Dealers MUST KNOW NOW to buy stocks :o

A friend has just taken delivery of a Nikon D4, saying that it is THE BEST for Birds inflight ... its lock on auto focus array is better than any Canon or other Nikon ....

its heavy and I would have it without big battery unit ... BUT frankly I am so disappointed with the lack of "help" Oly E-5 is giving me for Bif that I am seriously considering this move ... VERY SOON :( I was so disappointed that the OM-D E-M5 failed here miserably :o

David Morison
31st July 2013, 08:29 AM
David, REALLY is the Canon poorer IQ ????? Mind you the E-M5 is top dollar but how does it (Canon) compare to E-5 (you had one ?)

Chevvy, I think "poorer" is probably too strong a word but I do find the E-M5 images to be crisper than the Canon ones. The main issue is the availability of m4/3 long telephoto primes, the 75-300 I have is excellent but not up to the 300mm f2.8 I owned. However as I said the Canon 400mm L f5.6 gives stunning results on the E-M5 and providing the subject is suitable for MF then I can't see me looking elsewhere at the moment except for BIF. I think the 7D has possibly a little better IQ than the E5 but I haven't used it with the same lens and this Canon combo I have doesn't have any IS.

David

Chevvyf1
31st July 2013, 08:55 AM
Chevvy, I think "poorer" is probably too strong a word but I do find the E-M5 images to be crisper than the Canon ones. The main issue is the availability of m4/3 long telephoto primes, the 75-300 I have is excellent but not up to the 300mm f2.8 I owned. However as I said the Canon 400mm L f5.6 gives stunning results on the E-M5 and providing the subject is suitable for MF then I can't see me looking elsewhere at the moment except for BIF. I think the 7D has possibly a little better IQ than the E5 but I haven't used it with the same lens and this Canon combo I have doesn't have any IS.

David

David, I feel "Off Topic" ERGO I shall start a thread on comparison of E-5 ? E-7 and Canon ? Nikon ? for Birds in Flight ... David could you post your above post in here too ? :D :D

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?p=241808#post241808