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art frames
24th July 2008, 10:54 AM
This is my first time in this area, but I like this one.

This is, I believe a black darter dragonfly. It was one of several that had just hatched. It is simply hanging out to dry. I always love their wings but it was a joy to be able to get them all in a good pose so as to show them off.

Not something I see every day. The freshest dragonfly in my collection. And nearly ready to go on to become a black adult.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/nearly_dry.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/7101)

I'd be delighted to hear from you. This is just about as taken, a jpg. I brightened it and cloned away one distraction.

Peter

PeterD
24th July 2008, 11:35 AM
Beautiful shot Peter. Your trip to France paid dividends.

The focus and composition are both spot on and the blurred background provides a very good backdrop. I still have not used any cloning tools (lack of experience and confidence) but I am sure they have been effective as I cannot see any evidence!

Cheers

Peter

Graham_of_Rainham
24th July 2008, 01:40 PM
If this were my shot (Oh! I wish it was) I'd align the wingtips to be horizontal, crop the left to match the right and clone away the dark areas in the background to remove the slight distractions. For me this would raise the shots impact and keep the eye fixed on the subject.

*chr

art frames
24th July 2008, 01:53 PM
If this were my shot (Oh! I wish it was) I'd align the wingtips to be horizontal, crop the left to match the right and clone away the dark areas in the background to remove the slight distractions. For me this would raise the shots impact and keep the eye fixed on the subject.

*chr

OK

I'll have a go. Part of me says you know what you are doing and are more expert in this type of shot.

The naughty part of me wonders if you fold your toilet paper over into a triangle. Just as well the naughty part never speaks out loud. Oh b*gger did I say that bit out loud.

I will post the amended version eventually. I have to go out for a bit.

BTW if you want the raw file you can have a copy to play with too.

thank you

Peter

Graham_of_Rainham
24th July 2008, 02:51 PM
This is what I had in mind...

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/nearly_dry_copy.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/7111)

I did this VERY quickly, just to show my thoughts on what I would do.

I often look at an image with a view to presenting it in a format other than the "perfect rectangle" and quite often find myself using the square. This I feel suits the square and having the body of the beast off the vertical, I think add some dynamic to the picture.

Can't wait to see the comments back on this, but please do not let them distract from the comments of the original, which is what it was submitted here for in the first place.

Regards

Nick Temple-Fry
24th July 2008, 04:50 PM
Well Graham

I have to say I prefer Peters original to your recomposition and on one very simple ground. In Peters picture the body is as near to vertical as makes no difference, in yours the body has a slant, irritating (to me) in a way the unbalanced wing tips were not. In fact the wing tips add the asymmetry which psychologists nowadays tell us is necessary for beauty and attraction.

Anyway Peters pic is a fine photo, one I'm very envious of.

Nick

art frames
24th July 2008, 06:03 PM
If this were my shot (Oh! I wish it was) I'd align the wingtips to be horizontal, crop the left to match the right and clone away the dark areas in the background to remove the slight distractions. For me this would raise the shots impact and keep the eye fixed on the subject.

*chr

Graham

I have modified to an extent halfway through I knew it wasn't working but thought you could see from this.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/dragon_ammend.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/7121)

When I did the initial work I left some balancing depth in the background and also chose a visual balance point rather than central. I know you meant crop to a square but I know that that is too contrived so I left as a 4/3 rectangle which is a good shape for me anyway.

On your version I cannot accept an untrue vertical. It pains me. I can spot a true angle and so used a series of perspective shifts to level the wing tips more.

But I still think my original is better for all of the reasons Nick says.

But thank you for the input and the thought. Do you agree?

Peter

PeterD
24th July 2008, 06:13 PM
I too prefer the original image for all the reasons put by Nick & Peter. I would also like to add that the grass to the left needs to be complete to create the balance to the image. Although this grass is soft focussed, it creates the balance without distracting the eye. I think this has been well done and results in an overall pleasing image. It even goes some way towards Nick's aims in his fly thread.

Peter

Graham_of_Rainham
24th July 2008, 09:53 PM
Now that really is what I had in mind. I think this second presentation is superior to the first.

... asymmetry which psychologists nowadays tell us is necessary for beauty and attraction...

Ah yes we must never forget what those guys say "nowadays". There was a time when they said "Nature abhors a straight line"... Just too much for me to keep up with. :D

But as I said originally and Nick has agreed, It's one we are envious of.

Nice work.

*chr