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Westy
21st December 2012, 07:52 PM
has any body any experience of using this lens or other canon FD lens via adaptor on the Em5? If so how did you find focusing etc.

David M
21st December 2012, 08:09 PM
I'd avoid any of Canon's own FD lenses unless you can test them before buying. In the early 90's I borrowed a 400mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4.5. They both had so much backlash in the internal focussing I struggled to focus them.

Westy
21st December 2012, 08:33 PM
No this is a Tokina 300 2.8 lens classed as old new stock. I can get it at a good price. I'm trying to find out what the manual focusing would be like on the EM5.

brian1208
21st December 2012, 09:07 PM
I used a canon FD 200 f4 on a G1 a few years back and even that was pretty easy to MF. More recently I've been using a sigma 400 F4 and sigma 180 f3.5 on the EM-5 (both EF fit) and MF is a doddle

Westy
21st December 2012, 09:16 PM
That gives me a lot of confidence as although the lens is cheap for a Tokina 300 2.8, which is effectively new, 599 is still a lot of money. This is the only way I could afford a lens this fast in 300mm. How have you got your EM5 set up for manual focusing?

peak4
21st December 2012, 09:20 PM
I have one which I converted from FD to OM mount a few years ago, so I could use it with an adaptor on my E500 & E1. Well sort of OM mount anyway; it's manual stop down as well, but that's not an issue when used on 4/3s The conversion isn't as easy as it first appears as the stop down ring works in different directions for the two mounts.

Assuming you can get an FD-m4/3s adaptor which will focus to infinity, you should end up with a cracking good setup, assuming you don't mind MF.
The lens has a reputation of being one of the best of the manual 300mm F2.8s around.

Many folks find Manual Focussing on the OM-D a breeze due to the EVF and magnification in the viewfinder.

Some years ago Jens Birch (http://jensbirch.smugmug.com/) did a review of the lens on FourThirdsPhoto here
http://forum.fourthirdsphoto.com/f75/tokina-x-300mm-f2-8-sd-24073.html (http://forum.fourthirdsphoto.com/f75/tokina-x-300mm-f2-8-sd-24073.html)

He also made comments elsewhere that reckoned that it was on a par with the 90-250mm but a little behind the Oly 300mm F2.8

Bear in mind that this was on an earlier generation of sensors; I've not compared them myself on the OM-D, but one real advantage of the Tokina, apart from the price, would be the lighter weight compared to the Big Tuna. It is fast and accurate to focus, and importantly is still pretty sharp at F2.8 There's really not much point in lugging the weight of a 300mm F2.8 lens around if you need to stop it down to F5.6 to get decent results.

Don't forget that your "new" lens should come complete with a clear 112mm filter for the front. That alone will cost you at least £75 if you can find one second hand.
Before anyone starts complaining about using filters, it is my understanding that the lens and filter were designed to be used together as a pair.


What's Coppull like these days? I used to cycle round there a lot as I was brought up in Chorley.

Both taken with 300mm Tokina @ F2.8 on an E-3

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3265/2299397208_41aaf8e8d5_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peak4/2299397208/)
Squirrel (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peak4/2299397208/) by peak4 (http://www.flickr.com/people/peak4/), on Flickr


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2328/2392206416_73d8aa1f40_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peak4/2392206416/)
Robin (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peak4/2392206416/) by peak4 (http://www.flickr.com/people/peak4/), on Flickr

I must re-process these one day if I can find the originals.


p.s. I understand that the Tokina is appreciably better than the Tamron equivalent

mike_j
21st December 2012, 09:32 PM
I use Canon FD 300mm f4 on the OM-D. Obviously the lens carries the camera on a tripod, not the other way round. It's OK but not greatly useful. Even with IBIS and magnification focusing is difficult handheld or partially supported on, say a beanbag. Bear in mind that it effectively 600mm effective focal length.

Results are OK but the lens is of limited use except for static subjects that can be prefocussed.

I think you might do better to go for a more manageable aperture, depth of field at f2.8 or f4 will be minute and the decent high ISO performance means that you may get away with a smaller aperture and lighter lens.

Best of all get the Panasonic 100-300mm or Olympus 75- 300mm zoom. Much more useful.

Westy
21st December 2012, 09:37 PM
I have just received an adaptor for FD to micro four thirds, looks excellent quality, just 20 of eBay. Ffordes have 5 of these lens for sale described as New old stock come with hood/filter and case.
http://www.ffordes.com/product/12100813025881

Coppull hasn't really changed much to be honest apart from a number of new build estates around the village.I have lived here all my life 52 years.

David M
21st December 2012, 09:56 PM
For that price I don't think you could go wrong. I'd have one if it would adapt to 4/3.

peak4
21st December 2012, 11:39 PM
For that price I don't think you could go wrong. I'd have one if it would adapt to 4/3.

It can be done with a bit of work on the lathe ;)
I bought a cheap Tokina OM zoom and used the mount off that. A bit of diddling about with the internal linkages and it all panned out OK.
My original plan was to convert to a different mount, maybe Nikon, but I was struggling to find an easy way to do it as FD seems to have the aperture ring in the opposite orientation to most other mounts.
In retrospect I possibly should have bought a cheap Tokina MD zoom lens as a donor for the mount as I think they work in the same direction.

On a more professional basis, there are a number of firms who would convert the mount to OM/Fourthirds, but I've no idea of the cost.

I do have a Word document showing how I went about it if anyone is interested, just drop me a PM as I'm not sure I can attach it here. About 1.2Meg.

David M
22nd December 2012, 12:19 AM
Oh I know it can be done, in my OM using days I had a Fujinon and Nikkor converted to OM mount. Another popular lens to convert to other mounts was the Canon FD tilt and shift lens. The Tokina would be a small handholdable 300mm for me, I don't really need one.

Greytop
22nd December 2012, 03:53 PM
I have just received an adaptor for FD to micro four thirds, looks excellent quality, just 20 of eBay. Ffordes have 5 of these lens for sale described as New old stock come with hood/filter and case.
http://www.ffordes.com/product/12100813025881


Here's a link (http://www.mu-43.com/f81/tokina-300mm-f-2-8-x-sd-image-thread-31904/) that may be of interest Paul.

That 300mm f/2.8 sure looks tempting. When is your's arriving?

Westy
22nd December 2012, 06:35 PM
I am hanging on to see if there are any reductions during the sale period.

Greytop
22nd December 2012, 11:16 PM
Another link (http://makingnottaking.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/tokina-mf-300mm-f28-at-x-sd-elusive.html) you might find useful / interesting.

Westy
23rd December 2012, 01:48 PM
Very Interesting link, looks like the lens is well built and solid optically.

David M
23rd December 2012, 02:15 PM
The only problem I can see is a lack of tele-convertors. You'll need to keep your eyes open for FD fit ones and try to find out if the Canon 1.4x will fit. It protrudes forwards into the rear of the lens and will only mount on some lenses.

Greytop
6th January 2013, 04:04 PM
I've taken the plunge with one of these, together with an as new x2 Tokina (FD mount) teleconverter.
Just waiting for my FD to m4/3rds adapter to arrive now :)

David M
6th January 2013, 04:42 PM
I don't know if Tokina made a 1.4x TC but if you want a 1.4x you could keep your eyes open for a DOI 1.5x TC. They were well regarded in their day and they probably made an FD mount version. I used an OM mount copy behind my Fujinon and Nikkor 600mm lenses before getting an OM 1.4x TC.

Greytop
6th January 2013, 04:55 PM
Thanks David, I'll keep an eye out for the DOI x1.5 in an FD mount *chr
I do want a quality x1.4 or close to, looking at the mount I don't think the Canon version will fit.

David M
6th January 2013, 05:03 PM
The Canon FD 1.4x didn't fit some of Canons own long FD lenses when it was released. Some of the FD telephotos had baffles in the rear stopping the 1.4 fitting. In an emergency you can hack the baffles out with tin snips to get it to fit.

Greytop
24th January 2013, 07:42 PM
If anyone is interested in the relative scale of an OM-D to the 300mm Tokina the image below may be of help.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P1000846.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/56702)

Obviously I haven't fitted the sizeable hood in this image.

brian1208
24th January 2013, 07:48 PM
I have just received an adaptor for FD to micro four thirds, looks excellent quality, just 20 of eBay. Ffordes have 5 of these lens for sale described as New old stock come with hood/filter and case.
http://www.ffordes.com/product/12100813025881 (http://www.ffordes.com/product/12100813025881)



just looked, all gone now, shame, I was slowly convincing myself I maybe needed one.

Does anyone know how much they weigh as that would be a key factor for me?

Greytop
24th January 2013, 07:55 PM
just looked, all gone now, shame, I was slowly convincing myself I maybe needed one.

Does anyone know how much they weigh as that would be a key factor for me?

You can carry on convincing Brian they're still there have a look (http://www.ffordes.com/category/Lenses/Canon/FD_Fitting#&&PageIndex=2&SortDirection=Ascending&SortExpression=ItemName)

The lens weighs just over 2.5 Kg with the hood fitted.

brian1208
24th January 2013, 08:02 PM
Isn't that strange, when I followed the link it stated that "this product is no longer available"

Anyway, Huw, thanks for the weight info, its now off my list as my aged and arthritic hands, elbows and shoulders couldn't cope with hand-holding it :(

Greytop
24th January 2013, 08:12 PM
Sorry to hear that Brian, I do have occasional joint problems but only my thumbs, I consider myself lucky.

By the way I think the link you clicked may well have been directly to the one I purchased. I know it was removed from their site within minutes of my telephone order.

David M
24th January 2013, 08:14 PM
The OM 350mm with E-410 rear lens cap for comparason,

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/500/3070727.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/9472)

Greytop
24th January 2013, 08:40 PM
The OM 350mm with E-410 rear lens cap for comparason,


That's a bit of a beast David, nice looking lens though.

brian1208
24th January 2013, 08:47 PM
By the way I think the link you clicked may well have been directly to the one I purchased. I know it was removed from their site within minutes of my telephone order.

yep, that's what it was

Melaka
24th January 2013, 08:48 PM
Dirt cheap when you compare it with the cost of an Oly 300mm f2.8, albeit you only have manual focus. I imagine it would do well in a hide.

Greytop
24th January 2013, 10:28 PM
Dirt cheap when you compare it with the cost of an Oly 300mm f2.8, albeit you only have manual focus. I imagine it would do well in a hide.

Agreed, I suspect when the Tokina was current (i.e, still in manufacture) it was somewhat more than 599 in today's terms.

peak4
24th January 2013, 11:17 PM
Agreed, I suspect when the Tokina was current (i.e, still in manufacture) it was somewhat more than 599 in today's terms.

Or even 499 in the case of one of them ;)

http://www.ffordes.co.uk/product/13011511551081 (http://www.ffordes.co.uk/product/13011511551081)

Greytop
24th January 2013, 11:21 PM
Or even 499 in the case of one of them ;)

http://www.ffordes.co.uk/product/13011511551081 (http://www.ffordes.co.uk/product/13011511551081)

Yes but I think that one is minus the hood ;)

David M
24th January 2013, 11:49 PM
If I remember correctly the Tokina was 1300 new in the late 80's.

Greytop
25th January 2013, 12:05 AM
If I remember correctly the Tokina was £1300 new in the late 80's.

Interesting, thats about £2800 in today's money (assuming £1300 in 1988).

David M
25th January 2013, 02:38 AM
A missing lens hood isn't a big deal on a super telephoto. The easiest solution is some matt black card and a rubber band to hold it on the lens. Another solution is a plastic container with a hole in the bottom to fit the lens and painted with blackboard paint.

Zuiko
25th January 2013, 03:05 AM
If anyone is interested in the relative scale of an OM-D to the 300mm Tokina the image below may be of help.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P1000846.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/56702)

Obviously I haven't fitted the sizeable hood in this image.

Blimey, I see that it comes with a clock mounted on the barrel as standard - is that for timing exposures? :D

Greytop
25th January 2013, 09:06 AM
Blimey, I see that it comes with a clock mounted on the barrel as standard - is that for timing exposures? :D

It's not much help John, I find it difficult to read :D

David M
25th January 2013, 02:08 PM
The clock does double duty, timing long exposures and as a counterweight for the huge camera body hanging off the back of the lens.

David M
25th January 2013, 02:14 PM
Oh and Huw, when you calculated 2800 in todays money it jogged another memory. I think that was the price of the OM 350mm in the late 80's.

Greytop
25th January 2013, 02:49 PM
Oh and Huw, when you calculated 2800 in todays money it jogged another memory. I think that was the price of the OM 350mm in the late 80's.
David I'm not at all surprised, I know the OM 350mm is a stunning bit of kit.

Greytop
27th January 2013, 11:34 PM
Well on further investigation it seems that the Canon x1.4 teleconverter (discussed else where) may well fit the Tokina.
The x1.4 optics housing that protrudes into the throat of the Tokina measures 32-32.5mm (outside diameter) whilst the Tokina has an internal throat diameter of 33.5mm.
I think it's worth a punt when ones comes up :)

David M
27th January 2013, 11:53 PM
That seems a bit tight. I can't remember if the FD 1.4x is like the OM 1.4x but the Olympus model has a thin rubber covering protecting the sides of the protruding section. I had more problems with the depth of the protrusion than the width, I had to use a 7mm extension tube between the OM 1.4 and my Tamron 90mm macro.

Greytop
28th January 2013, 12:02 AM
No problems with the depth, there's plenty of space there. The Canon teleconverter also appears to have a rubber or plastic protective cover of sorts. The dimensions I mentioned includes this.

Greytop
28th January 2013, 10:40 PM
Well I've managed to secure a Canon A x1.4 FD teleconverter, actually they seem to be a pretty rare thing not turning up that often.
I've probably paid a bit over the odds but in the pictures it looks mint, complete with all caps, case & strap and original box.
Lets hope it works out :)

David M
29th January 2013, 03:32 PM
Should be interesting, I always try to use a 1.4x rather than a 2x.

Greytop
29th January 2013, 03:59 PM
Certainly with a 300 mm FL to start the x1.4 makes most sense., particularly for maintaining low ISO / faster shutter speeds.
I'm looking forward to trying it out, probably only to find out that I've miscalculated the dimensional clearances :rolleyes:

David M
29th January 2013, 04:10 PM
If it is tight you could try removing the rubber/plastic sleeve off the TC or opening up the rear of the lens mount on the Tokina. Probably easier than finding another 1.4/1.5.

Greytop
29th January 2013, 07:13 PM
If it is tight you could try removing the rubber/plastic sleeve off the TC or opening up the rear of the lens mount on the Tokina. Probably easier than finding another 1.4/1.5.

Files at the ready ;)

David M
29th January 2013, 07:31 PM
I've used files and a hacksaw in the past to get stuff to fit. But my favourite story is one told by Don Morley the motorsports photographer. When Canon introduced the 1.4x it wouldn't fit some of his lenses because of the baffles. So a Canon tech at a race track cut the baffles out with some tin snips.

Greytop
1st February 2013, 03:01 PM
Well it turned up today and guess what.... yes it fits :)
On first acquaintance it looks to be pretty good optically and well built.
Sadly there's a smallish scratch on the barrel so personally I wouldn't have described in the condition the seller had but more importantly the optics look perfect so overall I'm pretty happy.

David M
1st February 2013, 03:12 PM
NO need for the angle grinder then. :D

Westy
1st February 2013, 03:21 PM
Well Huw finally took the plunge and I received my Tokina 300mm today, just need some nice weather and a bit of free time to give it a go. The wife said to me "are you sure its a lens its come on a pallet".How come only the female of the species is allowed to be sarcastic and get away with it. :D

Greytop
1st February 2013, 04:23 PM
Well Huw finally took the plunge and I received my Tokina 300mm today, just need some nice weather and a bit of free time to give it a go. The wife said to me "are you sure its a lens its come on a pallet".How come only the female of the species is allowed to be sarcastic and get away with it. :D

Excellent, I'm sure you will be pleased with it.
Took me a little time to aclimatise to the size and manual focussing (without a split prism) but it's a capable lens with an OM-D :)