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David Morison
9th December 2012, 11:35 AM
Owing to the dearth of prime telephoto lenses for m4/3rds camera, the only choice appeared to be the ED 300mm f2.8 used with a MMF adapter. I could never get on with this combination due to AF issues and having a need to do a fair bit of BIF I sold the 300mm and aquired a Canon 7D plus 400mm f5.6L.

As I use a fixed aperture MF Lensbaby Scout with the E-M5 with some success, on a whim I mounted the Canon 400mm on a tripod and offered up the E-M5 plus MMF3. A bit of MF with assist and exposure adjust using Shutter Priority and I got some surprisingly good results. So I have gone for a manual Canon EF to m4/3rds adapter for 9 from Ebay to test out the combo properly.

Do any other members use non-Olympus/Panasonic lenses with m4/3rds cameras? I'd be interested to know what lenses and how it worked out.

Regards

David

Ulfric M Douglas
9th December 2012, 11:47 AM
I often use an old CarlZeissJena on my e-pL1, but tis only 135mm.
I have a Tokyo-Koki 300mm but it lacks contrast so I really don't use it any more.

Jetset95
9th December 2012, 01:00 PM
Lots of Panasonic Lumix M4/3 users swear by Canon or Olympus dumb adapters to allow them to use legacy lens like this. No reason to believe that the same on the OM-D wouldn't work just as well.

James

mike_j
9th December 2012, 03:08 PM
One reason I bought an OM-D was to give me stabilisation on legacy lenes.

I'm finding that Zuiko 35mm f3.5 macro, Leica Summicron 50mm f2 and Leica Elmarit 90mm f2.8 are good. The jury is still out on the Canon FD 300mm f4, some shots are good, others quite blurred.

I'm wondering if this an example of the 'shutter shock' discussed here (http://cameraergonomics.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/micro-43-shutter-shock-revisited-omd-em.html) and elsewhere

Simon Bee
9th December 2012, 03:46 PM
;)Hi David,

For more reach than the 75mm F1.8 can give I have the following Leica R optics which I mount to the OM-D via a genuine Panasonic adapter for Leica R :-

90mm F2.8 Elmarit .... a small and incredibly sharp optic.
180mm F3.4 APO-Telyt .... again quite small and is legendary for its sharpness
280mm F4 APO-Telyt ..... needs no introduction to those in the know and I consider myself incredibly fortunate to own one of the 2500 made.

I can also use the 280 APO with the x2 APO convertor & the Macro tube as seen in the fourth picture .... this combo turns this phenomenal lens into a full blown macro with an equivalent FOV of a 1120mm lens ( in 35mm terms ).

I have only recently purchased the OM-D and have not had a chance to properly try out these combinations however I will say that I have found manual focussing them to be easy, even without magnified view and with my forty seven year old eyes ;)

David M
9th December 2012, 03:58 PM
That 280mm is a dinky little lens, looks a nice size for a small body like the EM-5.

Simon Bee
9th December 2012, 04:29 PM
The attached images are the few samples that I have so far, nothing special as all were quickly taken whilst "playing around" so to speak.

Image 1 ... the rose was taken with the 90mm Elmarit at F5.6 / 1/400th / ISO 200 hand held.

Image 2 ... Mother & Child Statue was taken with the 180mm F3.4 APO at F3.4 / 1/125th / ISO 250 hand held

Image 3 ... Wooden desk calendar was again taken with the 180 APO, again wide open and in the dim light of my "snug" illuminated only by the light coming from the wood-burning stove. Not ultra sharp but IMO not bad given it was hand held and in such low light with such a low shutter speed ... F3.4 / 1/8th ( yep 1/8th ) / ISO 6400 Hand held

I have not yet had a suitable chance to test the 280 APO but will post some sample images when I do get the opportunity.

Kind regards Simon

Regards Simon

Simon Bee
9th December 2012, 04:48 PM
Hi David,

Yes the 280 APO is remarkably compact and actually handles quite well on the OM-D.

Not meaning to go off topic but this lens is regarded as the finest ever to come out of the Leica factory ... period. It is completely diffraction-limited, no C.A at all even when used with the x2 APO convertor. In a recent interview, Andreas Kaufman ( the Leica owner ) said that Leica lost money on every one of the 2500 made and to the tune of several thousand Euro's per lens :eek: When available new it sold in the UK for around 5.5k when it should have been marketed closer to 8.5k but they realised that at that price ( even by Leica standards ) they would not likely sell many :eek:

BTW... I love my Olympus lenses too *yes

Regards Simon


That 280mm is a dinky little lens, looks a nice size for a small body like the EM-5.

jonoslack
9th December 2012, 09:41 PM
Hi Simon
Lucky you - I'd love the 280. I do have the 180 f2.8 Apo, and various other R lenses, and they all behave nicely on the OMD, focusing is easy, and it makes one realise that it's possible to make really high quality zoom lenses.

Not sure I agree with you about the finest lens ever to come out of the Leica factory - I think there are many contenders, but I would have thought that most would consider the humble 50 f1.4 aspheric to be the prime candidate. Whatever! (I'm jealous!)

all the best

David M
9th December 2012, 10:03 PM
Didn't Leica make a modular telephoto in the 90's? If I remember correctly it was a 280mm f/2.8/400mm f/4 and a 560mm f/5.6.

jonoslack
9th December 2012, 10:06 PM
Hi David - they did indeed - I guess it might be the jewel in the crown (at least from a size and cost point of view!)
It's very big and very white - way beyond me, and the R lens prices are now on the way up again.
all the best

drmarkf
9th December 2012, 10:10 PM
Those Leicas are a-mazing :D

I've had very good success with my 135mm f4 Elmar - it was my father's and not in very good condition when i inherited it, but I had it refurbished by a specialist and one couldn't ask for more sharpness.
It's now butter-smooth to mount on the camera, and alter aperture and focus, but its better not to peer too closely down the barrel with a torch pointing in the other direction because it looks like a plague of fluorescent locusts are flying around in there! In real-life use this doesn't seem to make a difference, although I'm not planning to use it for many sunset shots.

The other tele I've enjoyed using is my own OM Zuiko 300 f4.5 that I've owned from new. So far I've only used it for garden photography on a tripod with the E-M5, but it certainly draws a sharp image around middling f-stops and the bokeh is nice.

Simon Bee
9th December 2012, 10:16 PM
Hi Jono,

Yes focusing these wonderful lenses is easy on the OM-D and I am so pleased as I really did not want to sink a huge sum of cash into the upcoming Leica M ;)

I love using the OM-D, IQ wise it has everything I "need" and it looks great too. All in all it is my perfect digital camera and boy has it taken me a long time to get to this point.

With regard to the 280 being possibly the best lens made by Leica ever, I was quoting what many others more knowledgeable than I have often said including if I remember correctly Erwin Putts. IMO there are several Leica lenses worthy of that title and this is just one of them.

I am also very fond of my Olympus OM lenses though as yet I do not have an adapter to use them on the OM-D.

Regards Simon




Hi Simon
Lucky you - I'd love the 280. I do have the 180 f2.8 Apo, and various other R lenses, and they all behave nicely on the OMD, focusing is easy, and it makes one realise that it's possible to make really high quality zoom lenses.

Not sure I agree with you about the finest lens ever to come out of the Leica factory - I think there are many contenders, but I would have thought that most would consider the humble 50 f1.4 aspheric to be the prime candidate. Whatever! (I'm jealous!)

all the best

David M
9th December 2012, 10:19 PM
I thought so, I was offered the loan of one as part of a R outfit by one of the Leica UK sales people in the mid 90's.

Zuiko
9th December 2012, 10:27 PM
Hi Simon
Lucky you - I'd love the 280. I do have the 180 f2.8 Apo, and various other R lenses, and they all behave nicely on the OMD, focusing is easy, and it makes one realise that it's possible to make really high quality zoom lenses.

Not sure I agree with you about the finest lens ever to come out of the Leica factory - I think there are many contenders, but I would have thought that most would consider the humble 50 f1.4 aspheric to be the prime candidate. Whatever! (I'm jealous!)

all the best

Hi Jono, welcome to the forum. :)

Simon Bee
9th December 2012, 11:29 PM
Yes David they did, it comprised of 2 "head" units and three "focusing" units.

There was a smaller diameter head that was for 280mm/400mm/560mm focal lengths and when combined with the relevant focusing unit would create one of the following:-

280mm F2.8 / 400mm F4 / 560mm F5.6 APO

Then there was the significantly larger head unit that was for 400mm/560mm/800mm focal lengths which when again combined with the relevant focusing unit created one of the following:-

400mm F2.8 / 560mm F4 / 800mm F5.6 APO

This was a very expensive system but also very flexible if you could afford it. As it happens ( and not because I own it ) the 280mm F4 APO that I have is apparently still the sharpest and given its diminutive size and near perfect and flawless matching with both the 1.4x & 2x APO convertors a more sensible and manageable approach unless of course you "need" 800mm ;)

Regards Simon


Didn't Leica make a modular telephoto in the 90's? If I remember correctly it was a 280mm f/2.8/400mm f/4 and a 560mm f/5.6.

David M
9th December 2012, 11:57 PM
At the time I was carrying a 300mm f/4.5 and a 600mm f/5.6 so the modular Leica telephotos were interesting. Around the same time I borrowed the Sigma importers demo. 800mm f/5.6 but decided it was just to big and heavy to add to my kit.

barrytoogood
10th December 2012, 07:29 AM
Since so much of this thread has concentrated on Leica, has anyone an opinion on this one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXC-GLASS-Leica-R-APO-Telyt-280-mm-F-2-8-R3-R4-R6-R7-R8-R9-CANON-NIKON-PENTAX-/181034462408?pt=UK_Lenses_Filters_Lenses&hash=item2a267eacc8)?

A bit too rich for my pocket at present, but one can wish...

Alpha1
10th December 2012, 08:09 AM
Hi Simon
Lucky you - I'd love the 280. I do have the 180 f2.8 Apo, and various other R lenses, and they all behave nicely on the OMD, focusing is easy, and it makes one realise that it's possible to make really high quality zoom lenses.
all the best

Hi Jono, welcome to the forum! It's good to have some more "Leica" company here although everyone has made me feel very much at home since getting my OM-D and helping me get the best out of this little gem! *chr

Alpha1
10th December 2012, 08:24 AM
Since so much of this thread has concentrated on Leica, has anyone an opinion on this one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXC-GLASS-Leica-R-APO-Telyt-280-mm-F-2-8-R3-R4-R6-R7-R8-R9-CANON-NIKON-PENTAX-/181034462408?pt=UK_Lenses_Filters_Lenses&hash=item2a267eacc8)?

A bit too rich for my pocket at present, but one can wish...

Jono, that looks a fair price for a 280 in excellent condition, however as I see it is coming from Italy, what is classed as 'excellent' by a prime Leica dealer in the UK or US, may not be so excellent in reality for this one. ;)

There are a number of scratch marks on the barrel for instance and we can't see the business end....the front element! That lens would not be classed as excellent in the UK IMHO.

The large Leica R fit zooms are wonderful with many of them as good as primes at their respective settings. The leading lens pundits also rate OM Zuiko lenses too, so exotically priced lenses are not always necessary!

jonoslack
10th December 2012, 09:38 AM
Hi Jono, welcome to the forum! It's good to have some more "Leica" company here although everyone has made me feel very much at home since getting my OM-D and helping me get the best out of this little gem! *chr

Hi There!
Thank you - having made the final decision, and cleared out everything except 43 and Leica it seemed appropriate to pop in here as well.

all the best
Jono

mike_j
10th December 2012, 09:46 AM
Hi Jono, welcome to the forum! It's good to have some more "Leica" company here although everyone has made me feel very much at home since getting my OM-D and helping me get the best out of this little gem! *chr

Hi Jono

I thought I had seen the name before - Leica User Forum isn't it? Welcome to the forum.

Not jumping ship though are you? I have been looking longingly at your M9 ad but can't manage an M9 and OM-D in one month. To be honest I can't justify an M9 at all.


Michael

Alpha1
10th December 2012, 03:26 PM
Ah, I see we are getting quite a few reprobates from the LUF here, which is good. Much better behaved here of course!

As for me, I am not jumping ship either...I do have a PanaLeica 45 lens for my OMD which also qualifies for posting images over at LUF and also competitions at the Fellowship which is really great news.

As for Leica M's there is likely to be quite a few coming up for sale from next month when the new 'M' is supposed to be available, with all the versatility of using both M and R lenses. This is what is driving up the prices of R lenses. The early R lenses were Minolta designs.

Even some highly respected Leica users/reviewers have reported tests of some Zuiko full frame lenses as resolving as well as/or in a few cases better than Leica R lenses.

There is however no doubt that some Leica lenses have another unquantifiable quality which is nothing about sharpness but that can produce beautiful images.

jonoslack
10th December 2012, 10:46 PM
Hi Jono

I thought I had seen the name before - Leica User Forum isn't it? Welcome to the forum.

Not jumping ship though are you? I have been looking longingly at your M9 ad but can't manage an M9 and OM-D in one month. To be honest I can't justify an M9 at all.


Michael

Hi There Michael
Thanks for the welcome.

LUF indeed - but mostly getDPI - I'm not jumping ship, just saving for a new M, and I have two M9 bodies, so if someone grabs one, then I'll deal with that for a month or so! I'm not in a hurry though.

The OMD makes an excellent companion to the M9 - I've been using one since April, but only recently settled on it (rather than Pentax or Sony) for AF needs

all the best

David M
10th December 2012, 10:57 PM
To get back to the original question, I've seen some nice results from someone using the legacy OM 300mm f/4.5 on an EM-5. I tested my copy of the OM 300mm on my E-1 about 7 years ago but haven't tried it with any more recent bodies. My copy was better at f/5.6 than wide open.