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swazon
5th December 2007, 10:02 PM
After browsing through some of your galleries, I am regreting my choice of lenses;)

Not sure how much exploration of this world the EX-25 would give with:
1. 7-14mm f4 (prob nothing as focal length is less than tube length)
2. 14-54mm f2.8-3.5
3. 50-200mm f2.8-3.5

What other ways are there of going macro?

I think I've seen magnifying "filters" that attach to the front of the lens.

art frames
5th December 2007, 10:21 PM
Hi.

I have an EX-25 and it does work with the 50-200 under some circumstances giving me close up of butterflies about 4ft away...but I prefer the dedicated macro lens. The 50mm Oly for sharpness the 105mm Sigma for working distance.

I have tried a very good add on lens on the front but it only worked with one lens because of the different front element sizes.

I have also a really good tamron 90mm macro from my film days which is great but manual and needs the adapter.

But all of my answers are geared around my version of macro which is to photograph butterflies and other insects at life size or close to that.

What sort of photographs were you looking to take? I'm sure one of us has tried something similar ?? :) I'm keen to learn too.

Peter

swazon
5th December 2007, 10:54 PM
I'll take a photo of almost anything;)
Here are some shots achieved with the Olympus C750UZ with a fisheye attachment that could be separated to provide magnification with its rear element.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/530/P6091873wm_800.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/926)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/530/P6091813w_800.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/922)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/530/P6091871wm_800.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/924)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/530/P6091809wm_800.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/920)

Glyn R
5th December 2007, 11:08 PM
After browsing through some of your galleries, I am regreting my choice of lenses;)

Not sure how much exploration of this world the EX-25 would give with:
1. 7-14mm f4 (prob nothing as focal length is less than tube length)
2. 14-54mm f2.8-3.5
3. 50-200mm f2.8-3.5

What other ways are there of going macro?

I think I've seen magnifying "filters" that attach to the front of the lens.

I see nothing wrong with your choice of lenses. The only comment I have about EX-25 is that autofocus is a waste of time. I now use 50mm OM f3.5 macro with 4/3 adapter plus ebay manual extension tubes. Focus with Live view on my E-330. I dont feel there is any adavantage in using ZD macro because once you get really close focusing is so critical you have to use manual focus anyway.

theMusicMan
5th December 2007, 11:43 PM
I have the Zuiko 35mm Macro lens and find it excellent. Not as fast as I'd like, but close as close can get...!! I'm happy to post some shots if required.

R MacE
5th December 2007, 11:46 PM
Try a set of Olympus OM Macro Bellows and an OM Zuiko 50mm f/1.8.

This is a shot of the blades in a Disposable razor taken using the above on an E-1.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/1398009881_555a0c8fed.jpg?v=0

Zippo Lighter Windshield, same set up as above.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1143/1408607081_d204dc5e4c.jpg?v=0


At this level of magnification a tripod is a must and a focusing track useful.

art frames
6th December 2007, 10:00 AM
This shot in my gallery was taken with the Sigma 105macro. Manually focussed in quite indifferent light. I used a monopod to enable me to get a good depth of focus.

It is actually a panorama shot (two whole frames joined). I then merged in photoshop etc. I know it looks like a crop.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/hairy-caterpillar.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/263)

I am not sure that macro shots work on the web without a sense of scale. This caterpillar is about 2 inches long.

I'll have a look at EX25 things and see if I have any to upload later.

swazon
7th December 2007, 12:22 PM
I see nothing wrong with your choice of lenses. The only comment I have about EX-25 is that autofocus is a waste of time. I now use 50mm OM f3.5 macro with 4/3 adapter plus ebay manual extension tubes. Focus with Live view on my E-330. I dont feel there is any adavantage in using ZD macro because once you get really close focusing is so critical you have to use manual focus anyway.

Hi Glyn,

My "complaint" about the chosen standard lenses is that they do not seem to give much in macro access with the EX-25. For weight & laziness, I would prefer to have an adapter in the bag to use with existing lenses.

Focusing - I've found it's easier to do this by moving myself & the camera.

Robin

swazon
7th December 2007, 12:32 PM
Try a set of Olympus OM Macro Bellows and an OM Zuiko 50mm f/1.8.

This is a shot of the blades in a Disposable razor taken using the above on an E-1.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/1398009881_555a0c8fed.jpg?v=0

Zippo Lighter Windshield, same set up as above.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1143/1408607081_d204dc5e4c.jpg?v=0


At this level of magnification a tripod is a must and a focusing track useful.

Hi R Mace,

Love the shot of the blades - wouldn't have guessed what it is.

Robin

swazon
7th December 2007, 12:38 PM
This shot in my gallery was taken with the Sigma 105macro. Manually focussed in quite indifferent light. I used a monopod to enable me to get a good depth of focus.

It is actually a panorama shot (two whole frames joined). I then merged in photoshop etc. I know it looks like a crop.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/hairy-caterpillar.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/263)

I am not sure that macro shots work on the web without a sense of scale. This caterpillar is about 2 inches long.

I'll have a look at EX25 things and see if I have any to upload later.


Amazing DOF and detail. I initially thout it was a crop rather than a stitch (up :D).

I've borrowed a friend's monopod, but could not work out how to position myself/it to give any extra stability. I seemed to wobble more. How does one use these things?

Robin

Glyn R
7th December 2007, 12:59 PM
Hi Glyn,

My "complaint" about the chosen standard lenses is that they do not seem to give much in macro access with the EX-25. For weight & laziness, I would prefer to have an adapter in the bag to use with existing lenses.

Focusing - I've found it's easier to do this by moving myself & the camera.

Robin

Your hand must be steadier than mine. Macro focusing is a nightmare I use a focus rail on a tripod.

Glyn R
7th December 2007, 01:01 PM
Amazing DOF and detail. I initially thout it was a crop rather than a stitch (up :D).

I've borrowed a friend's monopod, but could not work out how to position myself/it to give any extra stability. I seemed to wobble more. How does one use these things?

Robin

Put the strap around your neck and use live view. No good for birds though they have gone by the time the pic is taken.

swazon
7th December 2007, 06:05 PM
Put the strap around your neck and use live view. No good for birds though they have gone by the time the pic is taken.

How many times do I wrap the strap round my neck:p?

Seriously, though, do you push the camera away so the straps are taught?
And where do you place the pointy bit in the ground - does it form a triangle with the feet?

Robin

photonutter
7th December 2007, 07:25 PM
I use a +3 close up filter screwed to the front of the 40-150mm standard lens.
Gives me a working distance of around 18" at full zoom, prefocus the distance and mounted on a Tripod. To adjust focus simply lean the pod back or forward on the two front legs and fire.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/thumbs/1372006843_24b434545a_b.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=980)

Jim Ford
22nd December 2007, 08:59 PM
I bought the EX-25, but have hardly used it. I generally use the 35mm Zuiko. For stalking insects on a footpath, the Sigma 105mm is really handy because you only need to stoop a bit, rather than crawl around on your hands and knees!

Jim Ford

PeterD
22nd December 2007, 09:55 PM
Have you thought of purchasing inexpensive magnification and Macro lenses that fit the 40-150mm lens? I purchased set of Sonia lenses +1,+2,+4 and MACRO. They were quite inexpensive (can't remember precisely how much) which I bought from an ebay store.

The image below is a Dahlia as an example. Hand held using the E500.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/PA140679.jpg

PeterD

Glyn R
22nd December 2007, 10:35 PM
I bought the EX-25, but have hardly used it. I generally use the 35mm Zuiko. For stalking insects on a footpath, the Sigma 105mm is really handy because you only need to stoop a bit, rather than crawl around on your hands and knees!

Jim Ford

I used to have EX-25 and 35mm Zuiko. I found the lens very sharp etc but the focus distance was too short so I sold them both. Having just bought the 70-300 I think maybe I should have kept the EX-25. I now use OM 50mm macro with manual extension tubes. This is an example. I had a set of Hoya close up lenses but the quality was not good enough for me. I have read that Apochromatic close up lenses are Ok. I did have one on a Sigma 75-250 which seemed pretty good. I sold these though to get the 70-300 Zuiko.

Barr1e
23rd December 2007, 07:53 PM
Hi -

How good is the 50mm for portraits please - or do you suggest another?

Happy Christmas. Barr1e

Glyn R
23rd December 2007, 11:00 PM
Hi -

How good is the 50mm for portraits please - or do you suggest another?

Happy Christmas. Barr1e

I would use 40-150 for portraits. Haven't tried the 50mm OM. Here's another macro.The portrait is with 35mm ZD

Barr1e
24th December 2007, 08:28 AM
Hi Glyn

Thanks for yout input. :)

The reason for asking is that I thought I had read on here the great use folk made of the 50mm for portraits. I have searched the site and feel perhaps I should now look in at fourthirds-user.com in case the answers lies there - unless of course I get further responses here.

I hope the fun is building in your household.

All the best and thanks again.

Barr1e

theMusicMan
24th December 2007, 08:35 AM
This was taken with the 14-54mm:

http://www.reflectingme.com/img/v3/p455411134.jpg

... and this with the 40-150mm

http://www.reflectingme.com/img/v2/p958439999.jpg

Barr1e
24th December 2007, 03:27 PM
This was taken with the 14-54mm:

http://www.reflectingme.com/img/v3/p455411134.jpg

... and this with the 40-150mm

http://www.reflectingme.com/img/v2/p958439999.jpg

Two very nice pictures John. I used the 40-150 yesterday on a family shot close up and was most pleased with the outcome.

Is the 14-54 not to close to the boxed set of the E-510 twin lens kit?

Happy Christmas. Barr1e

theMusicMan
24th December 2007, 03:49 PM
It is yes Barrie, but it's in the Olympus Prosumer range and as such it is both faster (2.8) and also much sharper. All in all it's a much better lens than the kit lens - but needless to say those are top notch too.

swazon
24th December 2007, 03:53 PM
Have you thought of purchasing inexpensive magnification and Macro lenses that fit the 40-150mm lens? I purchased set of Sonia lenses +1,+2,+4 and MACRO. They were quite inexpensive (can't remember precisely how much) which I bought from an ebay store.

The image below is a Dahlia as an example. Hand held using the E500.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/PA140679.jpg

PeterD

Hi Peter,

I think I'll try the macro lenses as the 14-54 and 50-200 share the same filter size.

Thanks,
Robin

PeterD
24th December 2007, 04:05 PM
Hi Peter,

I think I'll try the macro lenses as the 14-54 and 50-200 share the same filter size.

Thanks,
Robin

The set I bought for my 40-150 kit lens also fit on the 70-300:D

During the break I shall try them out

PeterD

OlyFlyer
6th January 2008, 02:10 PM
After browsing through some of your galleries, I am regreting my choice of lenses;)

Not sure how much exploration of this world the EX-25 would give with:
1. 7-14mm f4 (prob nothing as focal length is less than tube length)
2. 14-54mm f2.8-3.5
3. 50-200mm f2.8-3.5

What other ways are there of going macro?

I think I've seen magnifying "filters" that attach to the front of the lens. OK, this is an old post, but I answer anyway.

There are many ways to do macro. The simplest and most expensive is a dedicated macro lens, Olympus has two, 35mm and 50 mm. The 50 mm is by far the best lens and it is almost perfectly suitable for portraits, the 35 is not so good, as the focal length is too short. It is a compromise. It has real short working distance, meaning you'll lose a lot of light when you try to shoot macro. The lens is only f/3.5 at best, while the 50mm is f/2.0, making even focusing easier. Of the three lenses you mention, only the 50-200 would work with the EX-25, the 14-54 would work from around ~40 mm, but would get very very short working distance since that lens is too long. It has already quite good close focus abilities, so unless you need 1:1, it is a very capable lens on its own.

I would advice against diopter converters, especially cheap ones. Those give quite bad quality. The only one I know which is good is the Canon 500D, but that is not cheap. Also, if you go for it anyway, the best is to select a much larger one than the lens it is going to be used on and reduce the diameter by a filter converter. That way you'd use the best part of the lens, the center part.

On low budget, I would go for an OM (or another good quality film) lens, preferably macro, but normal is also good for most purposes. I would also get proper extension tubes and possibly a lens reverser (or both). Than of course, there is a choise for macro bellows as well if you want high magnification. With non-macro lenses the reversed lens gives the best results. You can combine extension tubes, or bellows and lens reversers as well.

Then there is the good old macro converter. It is a short tube with lenses and a ring to enable use of a lens (mostly the 50 mm normal) as a macro, with the ring adjusting the magnification.

What do I use? That depends on the situations. I think I have everything possible. At least if you as my wife. ;) Anyway, here is a list:

ED50/f2
Cheap diopter converters +1, +2, +3, +5, +10
EX-25 modified, so it is 12.5 mm + 28.5 mm = 41 mm long, enabling the use of OM equipment in between
Panagor macro adapter for OM
A large number of extension tubes
Olympus macro bellows
Lens reverser
OM 35 mm f/2.8 my favourite bellows lens
OM 100 mm f/2.8 my other favourite bellows lens, also used for portraits

This image is a ~17:1 magnification using Olympus bellows and a reversed OM 35 mm lens. So far this is the highest magnification I could handle. It is a 1 mm part of an aluminum ruler.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/olyflyer/Macro/Bellows/P2269043_800.jpg

And here is my EX-41 + Panagor macro adapter and the ED50.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/olyflyer/Macro/EX-41%20Macro%20adapter/P2178862.jpg

...and finally, an image taken with the above.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/olyflyer/Flowers/PA214147_800.jpg

Glyn R
7th January 2008, 11:44 AM
I just found this item while looking at macro. I am so impressed I have just bought a new Sigma Achromatic close up lens 58mm to fit all my lenses.

http://fuzzcraft.fuzzphoto.eu/achromats.html#2

PeterD
7th January 2008, 01:07 PM
I just found this item while looking at macro. I am so impressed I have just bought a new Sigma Achromatic close up lens 58mm to fit all my lenses.

http://fuzzcraft.fuzzphoto.eu/achromats.html#2

Very interesting thanks Glyn


PeterD

Glyn R
9th January 2008, 07:07 PM
I just got my Sigma Achromatic close up lens. I think it is about 1.6 dioptre. Just to try I out I took these. I have to say the image quality with the Sigma on my Oly 70-300 is pretty good. Interestingly the leaflet with the lens says it was designed to fit the Sigma 70-300 and several other similar zooms. The lens is new very old stock so I think this means non digital lenses. I used to have a Sigma 70 -250 which had its own dedicated close up lens. It looked exactly like the one I have bought. Both images are full frame with no processing.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/P1095604.jpg

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/505/P1095600.jpg

Barr1e
9th January 2008, 07:47 PM
Hi Glynn -

How much and where please.

Regards. Barr1e

Glyn R
9th January 2008, 11:13 PM
This is Jacobs ebay site so I guess you should be OK mine took about a couple of days. I made an offer of 10 and got it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sigma-58mm-Achromatic-Macro-Close-up-Lens-NEW_W0QQitemZ220190352748QQihZ012QQcategoryZ30059Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Barr1e
10th January 2008, 09:23 AM
This is Jacobs ebay site so I guess you should be OK mine took about a couple of days. I made an offer of 10 and got it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sigma-58mm-Achromatic-Macro-Close-up-Lens-NEW_W0QQitemZ220190352748QQihZ012QQcategoryZ30059Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Thanks Glyn -

I tried to buy it direct with discount and got a big N0. As I don't wish to set up two new accounts (ebay and paypal) I'll give it a miss this time.

All the best and thanks again.

Barr1e

Glyn R
10th January 2008, 10:21 AM
Surely you don't need accounts to buy from ebay. However there are lots of bargain goodies on ebay worth the trouble.

PeterD
10th January 2008, 10:38 AM
Surely you don't need accounts to buy from ebay. However there are lots of bargain goodies on ebay worth the trouble.

Glyn

I have just made an offer. Awaiting the response now......

I agree with you about Ebay but you have to be careful as is the norm for internet sales.

Barrie, I have signed up with PayPal and found it useful for internet payments in general. You do not have to enter sensitive data each time you make a purchase and payment is almost instant. The down side is that some sellers will apply a surcharge for using PayPal but not all. Usual disclaimer.

Kind regards

PeterD

Glyn R
10th January 2008, 01:48 PM
Thanks Glyn -

I tried to buy it direct with discount and got a big N0. As I don't wish to set up two new accounts (ebay and paypal) I'll give it a miss this time.

All the best and thanks again.

Barr1e

The price ticket on this lens was 34.99 when delivered to me. I am delighted with it.:D

PeterD
10th January 2008, 01:52 PM
The price ticket on this lens was 34.99 when delivered to me. I am delighted with it.:D

Glyn

Transaction complete at the same rice you paid:D

Thats TWO things I have to thank you for;)

PeterD

Xpres
18th January 2008, 02:21 PM
One rather budget route to macro is a focusing macro tele converter with an OM 50/1.8 and adapter ( I tend to use a lot of manual focus lenses). Very easy to use, great IQ and very cheap set up off ebay for under 20. The late versions of the 50/1.8 are about as good as a standard lens gets and are fantastic for macro use, even just reversed. I do have the 35mm macro but tend to use that for portraits.

This was done using this set up and the built in flash.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P7100440.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/214)

OlyFlyer
18th January 2008, 08:06 PM
One rather budget route to macro is a focusing macro tele converter with an OM 50/1.8 and adapter ( I tend to use a lot of manual focus lenses). Very easy to use, great IQ and very cheap set up off ebay for under £20. The late versions of the 50/1.8 are about as good as a standard lens gets and are fantastic for macro use, even just reversed. I do have the 35mm macro but tend to use that for portraits.


You mean the converter in this post (http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3847&postcount=26), the Panagor. Yes, it is great, very useful even with normal lenses. If you use it with a 28 mm or a 35 mm OM lens you get even more magnification. If you reverse the OM (or actually any brand) lens in fornt of it, it gives even better results and additional enlargment.

BTW, that image of the ant is great. It looks like the ant is sleeping.

lauriek
22nd January 2008, 07:14 PM
I just got my Sigma Achromatic close up lens. I think it is about 1.6 dioptre. Just to try I out I took these. I have to say the image quality with the Sigma on my Oly 70-300 is pretty good. Interestingly the leaflet with the lens says it was designed to fit the Sigma 70-300 and several other similar zooms. The lens is new very old stock so I think this means non digital lenses. I used to have a Sigma 70 -250 which had its own dedicated close up lens. It looked exactly like the one I have bought. Both images are full frame with no processing.


Back in the film days I had one of the old Sigma 70-300 APO Macro lenses, which this diopter was designed for, and the diopter. It was a nice setup.

The consensus is that the new Oly 70-300 is a rebranded version of the current Sigma 70-300, which itself is a new version of the old APO Macro, with new coatings designed 'for digital'. I believe they are optically identical, which means this diopter should work very nicely on the Oly 70-300.

It's worth noting there is another good diopter, the Nikon 5T or 6T. These are pretty much the same as the Canon 500D OlyFlyer mentioned above. They aren't cheap and I think Nikon have stopped making them, but they do come up occasionally on eBay. I have a couple of these which I used to use on the E20 and got some really nice shots...

Glyn R
22nd January 2008, 08:17 PM
Sigma claim in the manual that this is a better compromise than designing a lens with built in macro. I sold the close up with the lens because it was in a case designed to hold both. The 75-250 was an experiment to see if I could use long zooms hand held. I could in good light but the lack of A/f was a problem. I also use an OM 50mm f3.5 macro with extension tubes. I just got a focusing rail but I haven't tried it yet.

Jim Ford
22nd January 2008, 09:43 PM
This is Jacobs ebay site so I guess you should be OK mine took about a couple of days. I made an offer of 10 and got it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sigma-58mm-Achromatic-Macro-Close-up-Lens-NEW_W0QQitemZ220190352748QQihZ012QQcategoryZ30059Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I checked, but it's 'Heritage Cameras' not Jacobs. It also doesn't have a 'best offer' option. It's shown as 19 'Buy it Now'. I wouldn't mind one myself, but I'd rather pay 10 than 19!

Jim Ford

Glyn R
22nd January 2008, 10:20 PM
I checked, but it's 'Heritage Cameras' not Jacobs. It also doesn't have a 'best offer' option. It's shown as £19 'Buy it Now'. I wouldn't mind one myself, but I'd rather pay £10 than £19!

Jim Ford

I don't know what you mean the link leads to Jacobs ebay site, I bought one for £10 best offer against BIN price of £14.99. It came from Jacobs with a Jacobs invoice. I don't know what you checked but it wasn't this link. Peter D bought one too. Maybe they sold out by now.:confused:

Glyn R
22nd January 2008, 10:26 PM
Just looked. Heritage Cameras are offering the lens too at the price you found. Have a go at this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sigma-58mm-ACHROMATIC-Macro-Lens_W0QQitemZ120213130993QQihZ002QQcategoryZ30042 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

art frames
23rd January 2008, 08:16 AM
I don't know what you mean the link leads to Jacobs ebay site, I bought one for 10 best offer against BIN price of 14.99. It came from Jacobs with a Jacobs invoice. I don't know what you checked but it wasn't this link. Peter D bought one too. Maybe they sold out by now.:confused:

Glyn

I followed yours and Peter's lead and bought the last one for a tenner! I meant to say thanks before as it is a really good find. It has just arrived!

I have a few lenses it works on. Just need a bit of sun and I can play.

Peter

PeterD
23rd January 2008, 10:14 AM
Glyn

I followed yours and Peter's lead and bought the last one for a tenner! I meant to say thanks before as it is a really good find. It has just arrived!

I have a few lenses it works on. Just need a bit of sun and I can play.

Peter

Glad you made it Peter. I had thought to offer 9 but changed my mind. Its damn good value at 10 and I didn't want to seem a smart***;)

I have given it a try, briefly, and look forward to more opportunities as Spring approaches.

PeterD

Glyn R
23rd January 2008, 01:35 PM
Glyn

I followed yours and Peter's lead and bought the last one for a tenner! I meant to say thanks before as it is a really good find. It has just arrived!

I have a few lenses it works on. Just need a bit of sun and I can play.

Peter

I'm glad you got one at this price. I don't think you could get an equivalent lens anywhere else for the money. These kind of bargains come and go. Hopefully this is one of the benefits of this site.:D

Jim Ford
23rd January 2008, 06:06 PM
Just looked. Heritage Cameras are offering the lens too at the price you found. Have a go at this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sigma-58mm-ACHROMATIC-Macro-Lens_W0QQitemZ120213130993QQihZ002QQcategoryZ30042 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Don't know what's going on here - The earlier 'Jacobs' link led to 'Heritage Cameras', whereas the above 'Heritage Cameras' one leads to a seller 'okwhothrewthatcow'!

Jim Ford

Glyn R
23rd January 2008, 06:39 PM
Don't know what's going on here - The earlier 'Jacobs' link led to 'Heritage Cameras', whereas the above 'Heritage Cameras' one leads to a seller 'okwhothrewthatcow'!

Jim Ford

Jim this link does lead to that page. Its another one on offer at auction. I never left a link for Heritage cameras. I just thought you might like to bid on this one you might get it cheap.

michaelavis
14th June 2009, 10:36 AM
This is a very old thread, but very relevant to me as I'm looking to make a move into Macro having dipped my toe via the Sigma AML on the end of my 40-150mm, a lens I've now sold within my E420 twin lens kit which I sold to fund macro and maybe wide angle glass for my E3.

I want to take pictures of plants/flowers/insects, would like to avoid having to get too close, don't want anything too big and heavy and would prefer handheld flexibility. I've gathered info from the web and also from people on this forum and the Sigma 105mm would appear to meet the most of my preferences from the manstream choices an Olympus user has.

I have an EC14 and the Sigma 58mm AML so I'm thinking that these add even more flexibility to an already flexible lens. Am I right in thinking that?

Anybody know of issues in using an EC14 or the AML on the with the Sigma 105mm (maybe even at the same time!). The front element is quite deeply recessed on the Sigma 105mm, does that mean the AML isn't compatible?

Thanks for any help.

art frames
14th June 2009, 12:36 PM
This is a very old thread, but very relevant to me as I'm looking to make a move into Macro having dipped my toe via the Sigma AML on the end of my 40-150mm, a lens I've now sold within my E420 twin lens kit which I sold to fund macro and maybe wide angle glass for my E3.

I want to take pictures of plants/flowers/insects, would like to avoid having to get too close, don't want anything too big and heavy and would prefer handheld flexibility. I've gathered info from the web and also from people on this forum and the Sigma 105mm would appear to meet the most of my preferences from the manstream choices an Olympus user has.

I have an EC14 and the Sigma 58mm AML so I'm thinking that these add even more flexibility to an already flexible lens. Am I right in thinking that?

Anybody know of issues in using an EC14 or the AML on the with the Sigma 105mm (maybe even at the same time!). The front element is quite deeply recessed on the Sigma 105mm, does that mean the AML isn't compatible?

Thanks for any help.

Michael

I have all three and they work OK. But to be honest the AML doesn't add anything at this focal length.

You will see most of my gallery macro work uses the 1.4 and 105 combo.

I may be getting the 150 macro eventually as I want a bit faster autofocus.

Peter

this is an example of the combo

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/SHD_closeup.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/7741)

Nick Temple-Fry
14th June 2009, 12:49 PM
Peter (artframes) - that is a sensational shot. I'm gloriously envious of it. Just when I thought I was getting 'good'ish' it's nice to see something to aspire to.

Not sure the 150mm will give you a faster autofocus - particularly at close macro distances, the dof is incredibly small - and in the kind of busy environment insects inhabit that seems to really slow the autofocus. But I still reckon it's an excellent lens (now if only Olympus would deliver a long macro that would snap to focus)

Nick

art frames
14th June 2009, 02:15 PM
Peter (artframes) - that is a sensational shot. I'm gloriously envious of it. Just when I thought I was getting 'good'ish' it's nice to see something to aspire to.

Not sure the 150mm will give you a faster autofocus - particularly at close macro distances, the dof is incredibly small - and in the kind of busy environment insects inhabit that seems to really slow the autofocus. But I still reckon it's an excellent lens (now if only Olympus would deliver a long macro that would snap to focus)

Nick

Sad if the better lens doesn't offer the benefits, but would love to try them side by side.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/hawker1_1.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/15994)

I took this one last week at a local SSSI. My only hints are to move slowly and keep taking the pictures until you can't get any closer. This one had just been eating. It is interesting to see the bits of wings and legs being spat out (not this picture). I personally would like to get closer but then I'd need more equipment and would not be able to hand hold it.

I hope Michael likes dragonflies :)

peter

michaelavis
14th June 2009, 05:09 PM
As Nick says, sensational, both of those shots, I want to get the 105mm for definate now! Stupidly let one slip through my fingers a week ago for 220 on eBay, best price I've seen new is 319 + 10 post. There doesn't seem to be many about for the 4/3 mount.

AlistairJ
22nd September 2009, 04:16 PM
Just read this old thread and though I should point out that you can get quite decent shots of insects using the humble ZD 40-150mm plus the EX-25. The working distance is reasonable and the combination is light and easily handled. And it works out inexpensive if you already have a 40-150mm.

It does not get you anything like the true larger-than-life macro shots like those above. But you can do things like this:

http://alistairj.smugmug.com/photos/655515715_UPmDX-L.jpg

BobS
11th December 2009, 06:26 PM
I see nothing wrong with your choice of lenses. The only comment I have about EX-25 is that autofocus is a waste of time. I now use 50mm OM f3.5 macro with 4/3 adapter plus ebay manual extension tubes. Focus with Live view on my E-330. I dont feel there is any adavantage in using ZD macro because once you get really close focusing is so critical you have to use manual focus anyway.
Hi Glynn - I'm very interested in the fact that you use manual extension tubes bought on eBay. There are several suppliers - do you remember from whom you bought your ones? Are they suitable for the Oly E-510? Thanks.
Bob

Ian
11th December 2009, 06:34 PM
I now have an EX-25 and ring flash (which is part of our new hire (http://e-group.uk.net/hire/hire_info.php) stock), but of course just at the wrong time as interesting insects are rather hard to find at this time of year!

I can use the ring flash on an original 14-54 lens and will be experimenting with this over the weekend, with the 14-54 and EX-25. The FR-1 adapter for the ringflash to fit the 50mm f/2 macro is on order.

Ian