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brian1208
9th October 2012, 07:58 PM
I thought that as some of are beginning to get this lens it might be fun to provide somewhere we could show our early experiments with it.

I'll kick of with a couple of old trout flies I dug out as its been to wet and dreary for any proper macro work

shot using the tripod with the flies mounted in a grip inside my small light box with a black velvet back drop using ISO200 with f8 and lit by an FL600R bouncing down + the eyelight flap was used to direct a small spill of light forward

One shot manual focus the other SAF

Processed in LR4.2 with no additional sharpening (sharpening sliders to default position)

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/troutflylure.jpg

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/troutflywinged.jpg

Seonnaidh
9th October 2012, 09:39 PM
I want one I want one.

StephenL
10th October 2012, 07:41 AM
I know it's great as a macro lens, now how about some shots using it as a mid-range landscape lens?

brian1208
10th October 2012, 08:54 AM
when it stops raining its on my list of things to do :)

brian1208
10th October 2012, 04:14 PM
I had a chance to fire off a few macros today despite very poor light and a bit of a breeze. These are all hand-held with SAF + M, single point focus with 10Xmag and the "rocking method" for final focus selection. Lit by the FL600R on the hot-shoe

More practise, better light and no wind will improve things further but I am delighted with this tool so far

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmadmiraltongue.jpg


http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmadmiralface.jpg
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmadmiraleye.jpg

ayewing
10th October 2012, 04:21 PM
Most impressive. I want one too.

I really, really can't afford another lens just yet (bought the Lumix 12-35mm F2.8 last month)

Still Christmas is not too far away. I might try dropping some hints.

Greytop
10th October 2012, 05:18 PM
Impressive shots Brian :)

brian1208
10th October 2012, 05:28 PM
thanks guys, its all down to the camera of course :o

(I love this set-up, great camera and now a great macro lens - I'm happy as a pig in muck :) )

snaarman
10th October 2012, 05:55 PM
Wow. Those trout fly pictures are just excellent. Good choice of lighting and background. What a lens eh?

Pete

StephenL
10th October 2012, 06:14 PM
I love this set-up, great camera and now a great macro lens - I'm happy as a pig in muck :)
You can't say that! You might upset the Trolls! :eek:

Greytop
10th October 2012, 06:27 PM
Here's a few I snapped around lunch time today, nothing outstanding but it confirms (for me) that the lens has great potential :)

Btw the last two are pseudo HDR from one RAW, one of the great things about the E-M5 is the bags of DR that you can play with ;)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/PA104044.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/53125)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/PA104056.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/53128)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/pa104102.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/53134)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/pa104040.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/53131)

cariadus
10th October 2012, 06:33 PM
All fantastic images. Yet another lens to add to my wish list.

Swordfish
10th October 2012, 07:21 PM
Blimey, these are outstanding!!

Martin

jdal
10th October 2012, 07:41 PM
You swines... You swines ;) I can't afford it.

Great shots

brian1208
10th October 2012, 09:19 PM
very nice images Huw but what's that bright blue stuff you have in the background? We don't get that down here in Dorset no more! :)

Greytop
10th October 2012, 09:33 PM
Thanks Brian, I think we're forecast to lose the blue stuff for the rest of the week too :)

Seonnaidh
10th October 2012, 10:21 PM
I agree with JDAL stop posting these images.
You might force me to sell my kids into slavery.

brian1208
10th October 2012, 10:26 PM
You can't say that! You might upset the Trolls! :eek:

I'm hard so the Trolls had better get off my bridge! :cool:

McShug
11th October 2012, 05:55 AM
Very Impressive images,
look forward to seeing alternative uses
as I do very few macro shots.

Please next time a warning about massive spider photos *nono
it made my skin crawl - too much detail

wellyboot
11th October 2012, 09:12 AM
Those images are superb!! Thank you for showing us what this lens is capable of Brian and Huw!
I was going to ask Father Christmas for a fish-eye but having seen those shots, I'm now reconsidering! :confused:
Unfortunately I have a spider phobia, and checked this thread just before bed last night. I must confess it took me a while to get to sleep after seeing that incredible spider image. It made me realise that I am right to be scared of them!! ;)

Ian
11th October 2012, 01:58 PM
These are so much better than my efforts! :D

Ian

Graham_of_Rainham
11th October 2012, 02:05 PM
How on earth do people get such shots...

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/pa104102.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/53134)

A "Bird on a stick" is one thing but this is a whole new level...

Brilliant !

jamsa
11th October 2012, 03:56 PM
OK so now I have to persuade my wifeto let me have this lens too and ( I will say its for Christmas).. so will start to check out the cheapest inc delivery...I can but live in hope lol.

Phill D
11th October 2012, 08:52 PM
Stunning macros excellent.

Kees
11th October 2012, 08:58 PM
Where did you guys hire those models?

brian1208
11th October 2012, 10:11 PM
I had the chance to shoot some non-macro images today and despite diabolic light, rain, mist etc. I got some not bad results which I will post for you to have a look at tomorrow.

I will be interested to see what you make of them

(no spiders - I promise ;) )

The 60mm macro + EM-5 performed smoothly without a hitch despite the foul weather

brian1208
11th October 2012, 10:12 PM
Where did you guys hire those models?

Bugs R Uzz


:D

Ross the fiddler
11th October 2012, 11:11 PM
Thanks for all the great examples so far. Huw, I knew I could count on you ;) & Brian you have done well too. *yes This should be a great lens to satisfy us like the 50/2 did on 4/3's (which I never got to experience), but probably better. There is one place advertising it for $535 here (in Aus) & maybe that will be where I will get it (same place I bought my E-M5).

*chr

Ross the fiddler
11th October 2012, 11:21 PM
Thanks Brian, I think we're forecast to lose the blue stuff for the rest of the week too :)

Don't feel bad. We've had 30+ degrees last week with bush fires in a couple of locations & today it is snowing on the tablelands of the east of Australia. It seems to be falling at lower altitudes as it goes further north in NSW (down to 900 metres) & is even sleeting into Queensland. My wife rang from her school (being a teacher) with snow on the ground at about 1000 metres & starting at around 800m at the top of the Blue Mountains (west of Sydney). She didn't take her camera though. :rolleyes: It's just raining here at home (400 m). :(

Havagoodwunanyhow!

*chr

Greytop
11th October 2012, 11:51 PM
Thanks for the encouragement Ross, I'll blame you for putting me up to it ;) *chr :D
I'm looking forward to seeing some more of Brian's macro images tomorrow, sounds like he might just have a damp theme going on judging by today's weather (pretty heavy rain for most of the day).
Sounds like you're not doing too well weather wise either Ross :(

brian1208
12th October 2012, 06:00 AM
Here we are then, a sort of photo diary of a wet coach trip to a garden in Kent (from Dorset ).

A 12 hour marathon with a lot of it stuck in traffic jams! :(

But a chance to test out the 60mm macro in some less than ideal conditions :)

See what you think

Keeping breakfast warm - ISO 400 1/15th sec f8

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmbreakfastbar1-15th.jpg


A rainy view from Guildford Cathedral

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmcathedralview-rainf8.jpg

A gate through to the garden

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmgardengate1-40thf8.jpg

A lichen covered statue, f3.5

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmstatuewithlichenf35.jpg

Autumn colour in the rain


http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmautumncolourrainf56.jpg

A welcome log fire (with cream teas)

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/logfire.jpg

brian1208
12th October 2012, 06:02 AM
and the last one, which for some reason I couldn't add

The Road To Hell - crawling along at about 15 mph on the M25 (ISO400, f2.8 at 1/50th sec) shot from the 3rd row of the coach over the heads of the passengers in the front two rows

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/theroadtohell.jpg

brian1208
12th October 2012, 06:05 AM
double post for some reason. I'm having problems posting this morning?

Ross the fiddler
12th October 2012, 12:05 PM
Thanks for the general photos with this lens. We now have the official Australian price (finally) at $599

I've also noticed besides the Lens Cap (front) that comes with the lens (with the ID of LC-46), there is also another listed as LSC-0814. Could this be for use with the Lens Hood (LH-49)?

brian1208
12th October 2012, 06:30 PM
I had the chance to shoot a few bird pics this morning,

The first is a starling with f4 to look at bokeh and detail, the main image is around 50% of the full frame (I was able to get very close to these birds) and the second is a 100% crop at around 998 pixs on the longest side

This lens reminded me how important the quality of the lens is regarding the speed and accuracy of focus of a system. With the 60mm macro on the system is nearly as fast and accurate as my old 60D + 70-300LIS (but very much shorter on reach, obviously)

With the 75-300 on I would not have been able to isolate this gull as it past the boats and houses in the background (except by manual focus) and even then the isolation would not have been so good. f7.1, with SAF single point 4fps

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmstarling50crop.jpg

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmstarlinghead998pix.jpg

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmgullpassingboats.jpg

StephenL
12th October 2012, 07:35 PM
Will you stop it? The combination of your skills and this lens is so enticing!

brian1208
12th October 2012, 07:47 PM
Resistance is Futile Stephen (as the Vogons used to say :D)

You know you want one and they are very reasonable compared to the Panasonic 45 f2.8

OM USer
12th October 2012, 10:28 PM
With the 75-300 on I would not have been able to isolate this gull as it past the boats and houses in the background (except by manual focus) and even then the isolation would not have been so good. F7.1, with SAF single point 4fps


The 75-300mm is F4.8-6.7 and the gull (last picture) was shot with 60mm@F4 so presumably you would have been shooting at the wide end of the 75-300 if it had been on the camera at around F4.8-F5.0; so would you have stopped down to F7.1 by choice, perhaps to increase the sharpness on this zoom lens?

Greytop
13th October 2012, 12:37 AM
More impressive images Brian, good to see some non macro shots.
The Starling image is very impressive *chr

Phill D
13th October 2012, 04:55 AM
Absolutely fabulous bird shots Brian. What a lens and it's in good hands too.

brian1208
13th October 2012, 07:14 AM
to OM User - yes, I normally stop down the 75-300 to f7.1 or f8 to get this sort of sharpness but I haven't explored the shorter FLs that much though so may get away with it a bit wider (edit: I've just re-read your question and I think I answered the wrong one! With the canon 60D+ 70-300LIS, no I would probably get this sort of result wide open at 70mm, as you can see I was thinking of the Oly 75-300 when talking about needing f7.1, sorry)

I must have a play one of the days and try to map out the sharpness vs aperture response across the FL range

Thanks Huw and Phil, its a remarkable little tool and very good value. I need something this good at around 150mm to 200mm then I will be a really happy bunny :)

(Imagine being able to pull shots like this with the correct FL (these are major crops to see how the detail held up). Its so fast and accurate to focus it transforms the EM-5)

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmswanrunningonwater.jpg

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmgulltiptoeonwater.jpg

brian1208
13th October 2012, 11:34 AM
Spider Alert -Not for Arachnaphobes


As the weather had improved I went out specifically to shoot some of a garden spider, specifically to find one working and get detail of the spinnaret from which they pull the silk. This is the type of behavioural shot I like and am getting a reputation for so wanted to see if this new lens would get me the sort of results my canon gear did - in short, it does.
Now I can concentrate on learning how to get the best from this macro system.

These were all shot in SAF + M mode, using the body rock method for final location of the single (x10 mag) point of focus. FL600R flash in FP manual mode with shutter speeds of around 1/640th - 1/100th sec, ISO 400 with f8.

So, some shots (+ a male common Gnat I spotted trapped in another web. It was vibrating a bit in the wind so I aimed just to get the antenna sharp, they are a useful way of separating the sexes, )

The subject:

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmspiderwebsuspended.jpg

extruding the silk for the web

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmspiderwebspinnaret.jpg

using a rear leg to bring the new silk to the web

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmspiderwebspinnaret1.jpg

Spinnaret detail

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmspiderspinnaret.jpg

Male Gnat in web showing antenna detail

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmcommongnatmaleinweb.jpg

jdal
13th October 2012, 11:40 AM
Some awesome shots on this thread, I'm particularly impressed with Brian's spiders.

The danger here is to think "If I had that lens I'd get shots like that". This is NOT true *pnc

StephenL
13th October 2012, 12:13 PM
It certainly looks like this lens fulfils your requirements, Brian.

But John is correct. It also takes expertise, which I certainly haven't got for macro shots, at least.

brian1208
13th October 2012, 12:43 PM
Thanks John & Stephen. The thing is, if you aren't held back with your kit then you CAN achieve these sorts of results (and much better) with a bit of practise and a lot of observation of the subject species. I reckon the bulk of what limited success I have comes from knowing how my subjects behave and what they are going to do. Then the mechanics of getting the shot can be put to best use.

The best technique in the world won't get the shot unless it is linked to intimate knowledge of the subject (only in my opinion of course :) )

All this is hand-held of course

OM USer
13th October 2012, 01:32 PM
To Brian1208,
Thank you for your answer. Excellent shots, I was just intrigued as to why you thought that the 75-300 may not have been as capable under these conditions (specifically when not shooting any more open than F5 to F7.). I have the 75-300 and would like to explore it to the best of its and my capabilities.

brian1208
13th October 2012, 01:47 PM
my comments re: the capabilities of the 75-300 to produce this sort of shot wide open are based on over a thousand Bird in Flight shots with it on the EM-5, under a wide range of conditions, from Bird of Prey displays through to "shooting in the rough"

Whilst its a lens I like using and is capable of great results it isn't a fast-focusing lens (for birds in flight) nor can it hold focus on a bird passing in front of a busy background (unless assisted by manual focusing to keep it on the selected spot)

The contrast with the 60mm macro is that there is instant lock on and it seems to hold the focus much more strongly as the bird passes in front of a busy background.

(All this can only be based on my sample of each lens and is limited by any deficiencies in my technique but I'm happy that is is an accurate report on what I am finding)

wellyboot
13th October 2012, 03:15 PM
I just want to say that I am in awe of you Brian. Your images are amazing. Thank you for sharing your images, and your knowledge and expertise. *chr

brian1208
13th October 2012, 03:31 PM
thanks Wellyboot but don't be, there are many much better macro-shooters out there, I just enjoy the natural history side of things and am beginning to get the hang of recording it.

As to "sharing knowledge" that's one way I learn, I don't know what I know until someone asks a question I can help them with (its great getting old and decrepit! :D )

Phill D
13th October 2012, 05:36 PM
Is there anything you can't do with that combination of camera and lens!!!
More awesome macros there Brian.

brian1208
14th October 2012, 10:29 AM
To Brian1208,
Thank you for your answer. Excellent shots, I was just intrigued as to why you thought that the 75-300 may not have been as capable under these conditions (specifically when not shooting any more open than F5 to F7.). I have the 75-300 and would like to explore it to the best of its and my capabilities.

I had an interesting confirmation of my thoughts on the difference in focus speed / accuracy of these two lens this morning. Wailking on the top of Hengistbury Head, a local coastal SSI and beauty spot I tried to grab a shot of a passing black-back gull against a slighty misty blue sky. With the 75-300 at f6.3 to f8 it struggled and I eventually had to help it with a bit of manual adjustment. As the gull was circling I switched to the 60mm macro and, bingo, instant focus lock (and focus follow as I shot in 4fps)

I also looked back at the shot of the Swan running on water that I posted yesterday. I had a sequence of around 8 - 10 images shot at 4fps, tracking diagonally toward me and every one is in focus

jamsa
14th October 2012, 11:52 AM
I would always suspect that fixed focal length lenses are going to be quicker to lock on focus, the more I read about this lens the more I need it!

jamsa
14th October 2012, 11:56 AM
These were taken with the Panny 100-300 and some through wire or glass...but I think the 60 macro would be perfect even for these occasions.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/gambo48/1-PA110567.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/gambo48/02-PA110159.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/gambo48/07-PA110313.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/gambo48/12-PA110423.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/gambo48/22-PA110553.jpg

brian1208
14th October 2012, 01:28 PM
Jamsa, I love that shot of the monkey (Macaque?), real character in the face

jamsa
14th October 2012, 02:07 PM
Jamsa, I love that shot of the monkey (Macaque?), real character in the face

Yes you are right the Japanese snow monkey/Macaque...right place right time, I have a lot more of their poses tooand soem comical ones but this one was one of the ones I liked most.

brian1208
14th October 2012, 02:51 PM
A couple of more typical macro subjects in natural light (which is fading fast as Autumn approaches)

Honey Bee feeding on Salvia

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmhoneybeeonSalvia.jpg

Fly on Variegated Laurel

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/oldcanon/Olympus%2060mm%20macro%20images/60mmflyonLAurel.jpg

OM USer
16th October 2012, 09:12 AM
Some more great macro shots on this thread!

I know little (perhaps that should be nothing) about the algorithms that control CDAF but I suspect the strong performance in focussing speed of the 60mm F2.8 is in part due to focussing taking place with the aperture wide open before stopping down to the selected or programmed aperture for actual picture taking and part due to the range locking of the focussing mechanism. With the 75-300 zoom you are at a complete disadvantage as even at the short end you are only just shy of F5. In my naive view I imagine that more light means more detail to process (and more blurring to detect).

On this basis I suspect that the 75mm F1.8 will be equally quick to focus. Would anyone with both lenses care to comment? Thanks.

brian1208
16th October 2012, 04:43 PM
I had the 45 f1.8 and yes, that is also a very fast, accurate focusing lens as well.

I suspect your reasoning is correct