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Ian
27th September 2012, 05:16 PM
Just in :)

Was there anything anybody would like me to test with this lens?

Ian

Wee man
27th September 2012, 05:20 PM
A shot of a five pence please front and back on dark background try to fill frame. Thanks

Zuiko
27th September 2012, 05:25 PM
It's not something I'll be buying anytime soon, so I'd just like to enjoy some great macro images taken with it - and hear your opinion, Ian. :)

StephenL
27th September 2012, 05:31 PM
Be interested how good/useful it is on non-macro shots, eg, portraits, street and landscapes.

tomphotofx
27th September 2012, 06:46 PM
Hi

I'd be interested how it handles when used for portraits, speed of focus etc.

Thanks

All the best.

Tom

Ian
27th September 2012, 09:03 PM
A shot of a five pence please front and back on dark background try to fill frame. Thanks

Ah - I forgot about the dark background, but then it practically fills the frame anyway :D

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/511/9270112.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/52575)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/511/9270113.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/52576)

Taken at f/6.3 but at only 1/3rd second (E-M5 ISO 200). Although the camera was on a Gorillapod and 2 second timer delay was used at pixel level there is some evidence of camera movement during the exposure.

Ian

StephenL
27th September 2012, 09:20 PM
Nonetheless, it shows great textural detail.

Ian
27th September 2012, 09:23 PM
Same 5p piece taken in macro mode at closest focus using the m.Zuiko 12-50:

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/511/9270114.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/52577)

Ian

Ian
27th September 2012, 09:40 PM
I took these on the Olympus booth at Photokina last week:

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/9180015.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24976)
@f/2.8

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/9180010.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24975)
@f/5.6

There is some evidence of shake in the second shot at pixel level but you can't see it at Web resolution here. (Update - actually if you look very closely it's not as crisp as the first image)

Ian

Ian
30th September 2012, 04:25 PM
http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/550/P9300443.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24984)

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/550/P9300480.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24986)

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/550/P9300450.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24985)

Basically not enough light (ISO 1600 and the shutter speed was still too slow) and on top of that we have blustery autumn wind today! Taken using an E-PL3 as my E-M5 is not with me this weekend. Will be trying flash next.

Ian

David M
30th September 2012, 04:52 PM
I'm thinking the EM-5 and 60mm would be a nice set up for digitising the hundreds of slides I've still not scanned.

snaarman
30th September 2012, 05:03 PM
I'm thinking the EM-5 and 60mm would be a nice set up for digitising the hundreds of slides I've still not scanned.

Yes, that does work: I used an E620 and ZD50 macro with a flash on a string to digitise slides. You need about 1:2 macro ratio, which isn't too difficult.

You can even do it with the 45mm m4/3 lens and a Kenko extension tube. Whatever you use you need to stop down to f11 or so to get a nice flat field to do your slides justice.

Pete

Ian
30th September 2012, 05:14 PM
Now with flash and this time using ISO 500 and an E-PL2 because it has a built-in flash:

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300546.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24995)
f/16

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300543.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24994)
f/22

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300541.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24993)
f/11

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300535.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24992)
f/11

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300531.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24991)
f/16

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300527.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24989)
f/11

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300530.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24990)
f/9

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300508.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24987)
f/18

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/P9300510.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24988)
f/18

All processed from RAW in Lightroom 4.1 - the f/18 and f/22 shots were over a stop under-exposed so were lifted in Lightroom.

Ian

David M
30th September 2012, 05:48 PM
Pete, I think it was you I remember posting about copying slides with an E-System body and lens. I've been waiting for a sensor with enough resolution to compete with my film scanner.

Ian
2nd October 2012, 09:26 PM
I was asked to take some portraits using the 60mm Macro and here we have the plucky Julia volunteering to go before the LENS:

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/PA010513.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/25016)
@f/2.8 Julia was a little further back for this shot compared to the the others below.

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/PA010520.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/25017)
@f/3.5

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/PA010524.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/25018)
@f/5

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/PA010528.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/25019)
@f/7.1

Finally a 1:1 crop of the f/2.8 image:

http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/data/525/PA010513-2.jpg (http://fourthirds-user.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/25020)

This is a seriously sharp lens. All the samples in this post were shot hand-held @ ISO 200 using a Pen E-PL3.

Ian

Greytop
2nd October 2012, 09:36 PM
Thanks for taking the time to put together those examples Ian *chr
I'm really looking forward to receiving my copy, from your examples it certainly looks to be a great performer.

tomphotofx
2nd October 2012, 10:30 PM
Thanks for posting the portrait shots, the detail is amazing.

All the best.

Tom

drmarkf
2nd October 2012, 10:48 PM
Any comparisons with a 4/3 adapted f2 50mm, especially with regard to focussing speed & reliability?

Ian
2nd October 2012, 11:27 PM
Any comparisons with a 4/3 adapted f2 50mm, especially with regard to focussing speed & reliability?

OK, will do :)

Ian

tomphotofx
2nd October 2012, 11:39 PM
Any comparisons with a 4/3 adapted f2 50mm, especially with regard to focussing speed & reliability?

Good review and comparison between 60mm and 50mm here,

http://robinwong.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/olympus-mzuiko-60mm-f28-macro-review.html


All the best.

Tom

drmarkf
3rd October 2012, 08:38 AM
Thanks for that - I think I'd seen an earlier version of his review which wasn't so detailed.
I particularly enjoyed some of the watch images his site linked to, e.g.:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mingthein/8006094668/

(A similar model Speedmaster is my own favourite watch, but I've never managed as well lit an image of it as that!)

So it sounds like good news on the focussing front, and the extra sharpness at smaller apertures and water-resistance will be welcome. I love my adapted 50mm, but focussing in low light can be a right pain and I'm planning to do a lot more garden photography from next year and I'm always nervous of drips.

I'm away for a few weeks now, but I'll be interested to see what Ian makes of it, too, but already I feel some ZAS coming on...
(Zuiko Acquisition Syndrome, that is)

Ian
3rd October 2012, 08:53 AM
Thanks for that - I think I'd seen an earlier version of his review which wasn't so detailed.
I particularly enjoyed some of the watch images his site linked to, e.g.:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mingthein/8006094668/

(A similar model Speedmaster is my own favourite watch, but I've never managed as well lit an image of it as that!)

So it sounds like good news on the focussing front, and the extra sharpness at smaller apertures and water-resistance will be welcome. I love my adapted 50mm, but focussing in low light can be a right pain and I'm planning to do a lot more garden photography from next year and I'm always nervous of drips.

I'm away for a few weeks now, but I'll be interested to see what Ian makes of it, too, but already I feel some ZAS coming on...
(Zuiko Acquisition Syndrome, that is)

Oh dear, I can only stretch to a 25 Casio LCD watch - but it does have World Time and a count down timer - which I use a lot when cooking :D

Ian

Ross the fiddler
3rd October 2012, 09:55 AM
Thanks for doing these test shots. The portrait shots look to be lovely & sharp & the f11 spider shots with flash seem to be at its sharpest too.

*chr

StephenL
3rd October 2012, 10:09 AM
I do hope they have them for sale in Singapore Aerodrome, or even Melbourne, in a couple of weeks. It will be close to my birthday, and we'll have money burning holes in our pockets ....

Ian
3rd October 2012, 10:11 AM
I do hope they have them for sale in Singapore Aerodrome, or even Melbourne, in a couple of weeks. It will be close to my birthday, and we'll have money burning holes in our pockets ....

To save on tailoring costs, please send cash to me.

Ian

Ian
3rd October 2012, 10:13 AM
In all seriousness my experience is that Singapore (especially in Changi airport) is not a place for bargain camera prices. Hong Kong, however, if you know where to go, that's where you can get great bargains.

Ian

Zuiko
3rd October 2012, 10:35 AM
Thanks Ian for the detailed comparisons at different apertures. This is clearly a lens to dream of or aspire to! Thanks also to the lovely Julia for posing, I wish my wife and daughter would let me take their pictures. *chr

StephenL
3rd October 2012, 11:32 AM
In all seriousness my experience is that Singapore (especially in Changi airport) is not a place for bargain camera prices. Hong Kong, however, if you know where to go, that's where you can get great bargains.

Ian
Wonder if I can get the driver to divert?? ;)

Ross the fiddler
3rd October 2012, 12:11 PM
I do hope they have them for sale in Singapore Aerodrome, or even Melbourne, in a couple of weeks. It will be close to my birthday, and we'll have money burning holes in our pockets ....

We haven't been given a price in Australia yet (they wait quite a while before setting it) & they should arrive into stock later this month (unless you have to wait for all the preorders to be filled first).

Ian
3rd October 2012, 05:40 PM
I have had a chance to play with the 60mm and the 50mm f/2.0 side by side. You of course get life size on the sensor with the 60mm (1:1) and only half life size (1:2) on the 50. The focus is of course faster and quieter on the 60 - indeed you really can use AF with the 60 even at near closest focus distance. You have focus distance limiters too, which help avoid unnecessary focus hunting.

I have to say, though, that the old 50 f/2.0 is quite reliable when auto focusing on Micro Four Thirds body unlike SWD lenses. I only rarely see a mis-focus. But it is slow - it gets close to the correct focus and then chatters away until focus is confirmed.

Have shot some test charts and will compare the two lenses after they have been number crunched.

Ian

Ian
4th October 2012, 11:17 AM
OK, preliminary interpretation of the DxO test data (all at f/2.8) using LSF JPEG files from an E-M5 with noise filter off:

Sharpness/resolution - the ZD 50mm is sharper, by some way, actually. The m.Zuiko 60 is not bad, just that the 50 is better.

Lateral Chromatic Aberration - not a lot in it - both are very good.

Vignetting - the ZD 50 wins here but the 60 is still good.

Distortion - this is probably in-camera corrected on the 60 but basically it is negligible and the ZD 50 has mild barrel distortion.

I will re-do the analysis with RAW file data in due course.

Ian

drmarkf
4th October 2012, 02:38 PM
Yes, thanks. it depends what one's focussing on that influences whether the 50mm's grinding around is a pain or not: i haven't tried much mini-wildlife, but that must be a case in point. Mostly I focus manually with it, but I'm sure I'd use autofocus much more with the 60mm.

The cost to change shouldn't be too much since the 50 holds its values well.

(I should point out that my Omega Speedmaster is getting on for 25 years old, handwound, dateless, and was bought at a time when they weren't as relatively pricey as now! However it does time a long exposure almost as accurately as your Casio :)
I went through terminal 5 at Heathrow yesterday with some time to spare, and had a happy half hour annoying the glossy little man at the Omega booth trying on a series of watches I can't afford - most of them had appeared on the wrists of assorted athletes and TV presenters during the Olympics. There is something called a Planet Ocean chronograph that I might get if I ever have 5k burning a hole in one of my pockets, so don't hold your breath!)

Greytop
8th October 2012, 05:40 PM
Apparently mine is on it's way and should arrive tomorrow, shame is I will not be around tomorrow to test it out :(

Seonnaidh
8th October 2012, 06:28 PM
I want one I want one.

David M
8th October 2012, 07:13 PM
So the legacy 4/3 50mm out performs the new 60mm. Nice one Olympus.

Greytop
8th October 2012, 07:15 PM
So the legacy 4/3 50mm out performs the new 60mm. Nice one Olympus.

There is such a thing as sample variation ;)

Edit: Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on which way you look at it.

David M
8th October 2012, 07:29 PM
Obviously Olympus UK made sure Ian got a bad sample of their latest and greatest.

Greytop
8th October 2012, 07:38 PM
Obviously Olympus UK made sure Ian got a bad sample of their latest and greatest.

Unfortunately it looks that way ;)

Anyway I have my 50 so will try some like for likes and make my own decision.

Greytop
8th October 2012, 11:19 PM
This (http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/21/olympus-60-2-8-macro/) might be of interest to potential 60mm owners.

Ross the fiddler
8th October 2012, 11:35 PM
This (http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/21/olympus-60-2-8-macro/) might be of interest to potential 60mm owners.

That looks nice & promising. *yes I liked Robin Wongs results too. Preview (http://robinwong.blogspot.pt/2012/09/olympus-mzuiko-60mm-f28-macro-lens.html), Extreme Close Up Shooting (http://robinwong.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/olympus-mzuiko-60mm-f28-macro-review.html) & General Shooting (http://robinwong.blogspot.it/2012/09/olympus-mzuiko-60mm-f28-macro-review_23.html).

*chr

drmarkf
9th October 2012, 12:53 AM
So are we hearing about sample variation, or differences in the way people do review testing? I suspect the latter, but maybe this would be a popular lens for the hire stable for prospective purchasers to make up their own minds?

StephenL
9th October 2012, 06:41 AM
Well, based in the actual pictures I'm seeing (I don't usually photograph graphs), it's still on my list of wants.

Greytop
9th October 2012, 10:02 PM
My 60mm arrived today and I'm pleased to report that initial results look pretty impressive. When I have more time and some better subject matter I'll get around to putting some images up.

Ross the fiddler
9th October 2012, 10:15 PM
My 60mm arrived today and I'm pleased to report that initial results look pretty impressive. When I have more time and some better subject matter I'll get around to putting some images up.

I'll be looking forward to seeing what you produce with this lens. You have such a high benchmark standard to maintain now & I'm sure that anybody that have doubts about the lens (I can't see why), then they shouldn't after seeing your photos. ;) Sorry mate. Now you can't post anything less than impressive (but that shouldn't be hard for you). :rolleyes: :D

Greytop
10th October 2012, 09:41 AM
I'll be looking forward to seeing what you produce with this lens. You have such a high benchmark standard to maintain now & I'm sure that anybody that have doubts about the lens (I can't see why), then they shouldn't after seeing your photos. ;) Sorry mate. Now you can't post anything less than impressive (but that shouldn't be hard for you). :rolleyes: :D

I'm feeling the pressure Ross :D
By the way here (http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/22/m43-macro-shootout/) is another interesting macro lens comparison test from the same guy as I linked above.

Ross the fiddler
10th October 2012, 11:04 AM
I'm feeling the pressure Ross :D
By the way here (http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/22/m43-macro-shootout/) is another interesting macro lens comparison test from the same guy as I linked above.

That's good mate & I have the confidence in you too. ;)

Thanks for the extra link too. I'm convinced! *yes

I'm waiting for my (late) mothers house to sell (which appears to be happening now) & the proceeds cleared before I spend anymore on lenses etc., so maybe this lens might be the next somehow, but I also want the Panasonic 100-300 lens too. *ohwell Choices, choices. :rolleyes: :D

Ian
10th October 2012, 11:11 AM
The ZD 50mm f/2.0 is an exceptional lens. It's also more expensive than the 60mm. But test charts are one thing - what are real world results like? The 60mm certainly works well in that respect.

Ian

David Morison
15th October 2012, 03:27 PM
OK I'm in the market for a m43 Macro prime. 50mm f2 is out - I've just sold one as I couldn't get on with it on the E-M5. So it's either the 60mm f2.8 or the Leica 45mm f2.8 - has any one seen a comparison? I would tend towards the Leica on account of it's reputation plus, and it's a big plus, the in-lens OIS. Opinions please.

Regards

David

Greytop
15th October 2012, 04:00 PM
OK I'm in the market for a m43 Macro prime. 50mm f2 is out - I've just sold one as I couldn't get on with it on the E-M5. So it's either the 60mm f2.8 or the Leica 45mm f2.8 - has any one seen a comparison? I would tend towards the Leica on account of it's reputation plus, and it's a big plus, the in-lens OIS. Opinions please.

Regards

David

Have a look here (http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/22/m43-macro-shootout/) David, just the comparison you're looking for (I think).