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Greytop
7th June 2012, 10:04 PM
... are of Olympus making a fast weather-sealed standard zoom for m4/3rds now the Panasonic have announced the 12-35 f/2.8 and forthcoming 35-100 f/2.8?

It looks to me that Olympus are covering primes with slower lower cost zooms, albeit that the 12-50 is weather-sealed.

Zuiko
7th June 2012, 11:14 PM
... are of Olympus making a fast weather-sealed standard zoom for m4/3rds now the Panasonic have announced the 12-35 f/2.8 and forthcoming 35-100 f/2.8?

It looks to me that Olympus are covering primes with slower lower cost zooms, albeit that the 12-50 is weather-sealed.

To date Olympus and Panasonic don't seem to have doubled up very much with MFT lenses. That may change as the respective ranges become more populated. However, if the Panny 12-35mm is sealed to the same standard as Olympus weather proofed lenses I would have no qualms about using it with the E-M5.

Greytop
9th June 2012, 09:22 AM
To date Olympus and Panasonic don't seem to have doubled up very much with MFT lenses. That may change as the respective ranges become more populated. However, if the Panny 12-35mm is sealed to the same standard as Olympus weather proofed lenses I would have no qualms about using it with the E-M5.

I agree John, the key for me is the weather sealing, I sent an email to Panasonic UK a week ago querying details of the sealing i.e. hopefully not just an 'O'ring at the bayonet end. No reply as of yet.

From the USA site here (http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/H-HS12035) the sales speak is Moisture and dust sealed metal body and mount
and Additionally with a rubber ring on the lens mount, the new lens is designed to stand against moisture and dust making it ideal for outdoor photography enthusiasts.

To me it's not exactly clear whether the lens would stand up to being out in the rain from these statements.
And interestingly it seems that Panasonic UK make no mention of the weather or moisture resistant features of the lens.

Certainly the initial lens test reviews indicate it is a very impressive performer optically.

Greytop
11th June 2012, 11:27 AM
A sadly disappointing response from Panasonic UK regarding the weather and dust sealing of the 12-35.

Thank you for your enquiry.

In response, I have no information on the lens other than what is on the website. As it doesn't mention anything about those items you mention in your email I would assume that there is no dust sealing.

I will investigate further for you and see if I can get you a more detailed answer on that lens.

Kind Regards

To be fair they do say they will investigate further... I'll wait and see what other information they can dig up.

Greytop
2nd July 2012, 08:40 PM
From the 12-35 manual

≥ This lens has a dust-proof and splash-proof construction. When using it, please be careful of the following.

If the lens is not working properly, consult the dealer or your nearest Service Center.

– Please attach the lens to a dust-proof and splash-proof digital camera.

– When detaching the lens from the digital camera, take care to ensure that sand, dust, splashes of water etc., do not get into the lens or the terminals.

– This lens is not waterproof and cannot be used to record underwater. For splash-proofing, the lens is constructed to resist the entry of water. If
splashes of water etc. do adhere to the lens, wipe after use with a soft dry cloth.

≥ To improve the dust-proofing and splash-proofing of this lens, a lens mount rubber is used in the mounting portion. After changing the lens a number of times, you may find that the lens mount rubber has marked the mount portion of the digital camera body, which does not affect its performance.

To me that does read (http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/HHS12035-MUL.PDF) like it has moisture / dust seals on rotating and extending parts of the lens body.

StephenL
3rd July 2012, 06:39 AM
In general, I would love to see a road map of lenses from both Olympus and Panasonic, like they used to do!

Greytop
7th July 2012, 10:57 AM
Well the 12-35 now seems to be appearing in stock at a few places. SRS (http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/8066/Panasonic-Lumix-G-X-VARIO-12-35mm-F2-8-Power-OIS-Lens.html) are advertising it at a (relatively) good price :)

Edit: Also in stock at Wex

JonSchick
7th July 2012, 12:51 PM
I don't think I'd have qualms about using it in the kind of weather I'd personally be prepared to go out in! Last year I got absolutely drenched taking photographs of the British Triathlon using E-1 but with a non weather-sealed lens. The combination came to no harm whatsoever (I did try and protect the lens as much as I sensibly could, but it still got a pretty good soaking). This is what the weather was like:

http://jonschick.smugmug.com/Sports/London-Triathlon-2011/i-Bxjsqsk/0/X3/11August07-Triathlon-2011-201-X3.jpg

I also agree that I have no issues with mixing and matching lenses in the m43 system. Some of the Lumix lenses are very good, and I think a bit of rivalry is helpful to the whole system - probably explains why the ecosystem of m43 lenses is so much better than alternative CSCs.

snaarman
7th July 2012, 01:10 PM
Hmm. I think it's a great looking lens, but then I managed to stop myself:

I generally use the 14-54mm f2.8-3.5 on my E-M5. It's not as wide, but quite a bit longer. It's only slightly darker at the long end, and it is weatherproof.

The AF is not startling but fast enough, I don't shoot video, so I've decided to give myself a good talking to and stick with what I've got.

Look. I just saved 880 *chr

Pete

Greytop
7th July 2012, 01:17 PM
40-150 MK1 Jon?
Yes I agree with you, although I was thinking of hanging on for the the rumoured mZD 12-60 I think I might frighten the old credit card once again :)

Greytop
7th July 2012, 01:21 PM
Hmm. I think it's a great looking lens, but then I managed to stop myself:

I generally use the 14-54mm f2.8-3.5 on my E-M5. It's not as wide, but quite a bit longer. It's only slightly darker at the long end, and it is weatherproof.

The AF is not startling but fast enough, I don't shoot video, so I've decided to give myself a good talking to and stick with what I've got.

Look. I just saved 880 *chr

Pete

Good thought process Pete and I can see the sense but once the 50.00 rebate and sales of a few other 4/3rds optics are taken into consideration I think the maths will work out OK ;)

A lovely set of images from the E-M5 and 12-35 here (http://www.mu-43.com/f38/pany-12-35-f-2-8-lots-first-evening-images-29091/)

JonSchick
7th July 2012, 01:37 PM
Yup - enjoyed the 40-150 mk 1 a lot! I'm also wondering about the 12-35 and forthcoming 35-100 - if they can replace "a bagful of primes" I could see a major realignment of kit over the next year or two. For now, I think I'll sit tight though - prices should hopefully settle over time, and I'm also curious to see what Sigma might do. Some of their higher end zooms are very decent, and they might be more cost-effective for me.

Greytop
7th July 2012, 02:07 PM
Well I've just ordered one from SRS and as I'm out of country earlier next week it will delivered next Friday just in time for some weekend testing :)
I'm with you on the interest in the 35-100 too, it will make a great zoom package together with the 100-300.
I now need to rationalise my remaining 4/3rds lenses and some of my larger camera bags :D

Greytop
14th July 2012, 12:24 AM
The 12-35 arrived today. Initial observations are that it's superb little zoom, sharpness is certainly in the 12-60 class at 100% and from wide open.
Build is certainly that of a high quality lens and the out of focus blur is very very nice.
All in all very close to a perfect walk around. Very pleased with it.

Bill Gordon
14th July 2012, 12:32 AM
To date Olympus and Panasonic don't seem to have doubled up very much with MFT lenses. That may change as the respective ranges become more populated. However, if the Panny 12-35mm is sealed to the same standard as Olympus weather proofed lenses I would have no qualms about using it with the E-M5.

The only problem that I see is that the Pany lenses have built in IS and so you are carrying more weight when using it on an oly who as you might remember have that built into the body!!!:rolleyes:

Greytop
14th July 2012, 09:13 AM
The only problem that I see is that the Pany lenses have built in IS and so you are carrying more weight when using it on an oly who as you might remember have that built into the body!!!:rolleyes:

Agreed Bill, that to is my only slight reservation, and that the Olympus E-M5 IBIS is so very good means you are unlikely to ever contemplate using the 'in lens' stabilisation.
The additional weight is probably not that much in the grand scheme of things and the 12-35 is pretty compact for a constant f/2.8 too so all is almost 100% good :)

Edit: Another positive review (http://www.camerastuffreview.com/panasonic-lenstest/review-panasonic-12-35-mm)

OlyPaul
14th July 2012, 09:54 AM
Agreed Bill, that to is my only slight reservation, and that the Olympus E-M5 IBIS is so very good means you are unlikely to ever contemplate using the 'in lens' stabilisation.
:)

Edit: Another positive review (http://www.camerastuffreview.com/panasonic-lenstest/review-panasonic-12-35-mm)

The advantage to using the Panasonic Lens OIS is that the viewfinder image will also be stabilized which can be a great boon when manual focusing using the magnified view.;)

Greytop
14th July 2012, 11:28 AM
The advantage to using the Panasonic Lens OIS is that the viewfinder image will also be stabilized which can be a great boon when manual focusing using the magnified view.;)

Agreed Paul but that feature is also now possible with the E-M5 IBIS, it can be set such that when the initial detent of the shutter push is reached the stabilised view is displayed in the EVF or rear display (whichever you are using). As you say great for manual focussing especially when combined with the zoom view.
I guess your comment was probably aimed at Pen models that don't have the stabilised view option :)

Greytop
14th July 2012, 12:23 PM
A couple of images, the first showing the 12-35 on the E-M5 and the next a feel for the lens out of focus blur wide open at 35mm.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/E-M5_12-35.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/49102)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/12-35_bokeh.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/49101)