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shirley
6th June 2008, 09:32 PM
I thought I would have a go at playing a bit more with elements. I added a watercolour filter and converted to B&W .
Any comments/suggestions welcome.


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/508/Windmill-wheel-resized.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5988)

I think it actually looks better a little larger as you can see the effect of the watercolour filter.

Zuiko
6th June 2008, 09:44 PM
I'm certainly no expert on B&W and struggle to produce a half decent image myself, so please don't take what I say too seriously (and if I have got it wrong can somebody who knows what they are talking about please put me right!)

This image just doesn't do it for me like your superb colour work does, Shirley. The tonal range seems a bit compressed, with no real blacks or pure whites and it just seems a bit flat.

But I may be wrong!

Keep on trying, I'm sure you've got the ability to do just as well with mono as you do with colour.

John

shirley
6th June 2008, 09:50 PM
Thanks John, your point is interesting. I have been struggling to understand what makes a good B&Wconversion, I think you might have put your finger on it, the image needs pure whites and blacks so that there is a full tonal range - makes sense really.
I will go back to my images and see what else I can find.

By the way John, good to have you back, hope you enjoyed your holiday.

Zuiko
6th June 2008, 10:00 PM
Thanks John, your point is interesting. I have been struggling to understand what makes a good B&Wconversion, I think you might have put your finger on it, the image needs pure whites and blacks so that there is a full tonal range - makes sense really.
I will go back to my images and see what else I can find.

By the way John, good to have you back, hope you enjoyed your holiday.

Thanks, Shirley, I certainly did even if it was a little damp at times!

John

shirley
6th June 2008, 10:10 PM
Took this on holiday in Portugal. Not truly B&W but I enjoyed having a go at selctively colouring the poster.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/off-the-wall-resized.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5990)

Zuiko
6th June 2008, 10:31 PM
Took this on holiday in Portugal. Not truly B&W but I enjoyed having a go at selctively colouring the poster.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/off-the-wall-resized.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5990)

Now this picture is in an entirely different class, it's absolutely brilliant! The subject is the result of inspired observation, there is a good range of tones and contrast and the composition is dynamic. The selective colouring is masterfull and really enhances the theme of this image.

I particularly like the subtle humour created by the positioning of the "Susan Searles Enamels" sign, which is obviously just propped against the wall rather than being mounted on it, in relation to the "Off the Wall" gallery sign. The message, reinforced by the long white arrow pointing out of the frame, seems to be, "tough luck, Susan, you're off The Wall!

Did you find the subject already like this, or was a little re-arrangement necessary? Either way, I absolutely love it. The best picture I've seen in a long time AND it ties in neatly with the "Fine Art" debate that is currently resurrected in another thread.

"Fine Art" is somewhat difficult to define but this image is most certainly in that category!

John

shirley
6th June 2008, 10:34 PM
WOW thank you John.
This was exactly as I found it.

shirley
7th June 2008, 07:08 AM
I agree totally on previous comments about this so I decided to go a little photoshop mad on it and further explore the capabilities of Elements. I think its become more abstract and I know absolutely nothing about abstract, so again please feel free to critique away. Does this work at any level at all or should I just bin it:D?

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/510/Windmill-wheel-abstract.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5991)

Jim Ford
7th June 2008, 05:15 PM
Pitstone Windmill, Shirley?

It'd be a good subject to play around with a 7-14mm, if I only had one!

Jim

shirley
7th June 2008, 05:28 PM
Pitstone Windmill, Shirley?

It'd be a good subject to play around with a 7-14mm, if I only had one!

Jim

Yes Jim, it is Pitstone. I have many pictures of it and I am sure I will take many more! These are an attempt at trying something new and I really dont think its worked. I really havnt worked out how to use Elements for special effects.
Yes it would be brilliant to try with a 7-14 - are you in the running to win one in the people comp?
I have just bought a 12-60mm, first trip out today, I will be visiting again soon to see what I can do at the windmill
Shirley

Nick Temple-Fry
7th June 2008, 05:32 PM
I agree totally on previous comments about this so I decided to go a little photoshop mad on it and further explore the capabilities of Elements. I think its become more abstract and I know absolutely nothing about abstract, so again please feel free to critique away. Does this work at any level at all or should I just bin it:D?

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/510/Windmill-wheel-abstract.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5991)

It has the feel of a wall mosaic - and I think wants to be viewed at towards that size - interesting.

Nick

Zuiko
7th June 2008, 06:30 PM
I agree totally on previous comments about this so I decided to go a little photoshop mad on it and further explore the capabilities of Elements. I think its become more abstract and I know absolutely nothing about abstract, so again please feel free to critique away. Does this work at any level at all or should I just bin it:D?

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/510/Windmill-wheel-abstract.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/5991)

I'm afraid I just don't like this one, Shirley, but all experimental techniques are very personal in their appeal and I'm sure this is no exception. Someone else might absolutely love it. However, I do feel that the watercolour effect, applied sparingly, may well be better suited to colour images.

On the other hand, if you play around with it a bit more you might just prove me wrong. The important thing is that you are trying something new, pushing your own boundaries and taking risks. This is great, because your creativity will never stagnate and even your unsuccessful attempts will help to vastly improve your photographic knowledge.

John

shirley
7th June 2008, 08:15 PM
Thanks again.
I dont like it either, but its been fun trying make a silk purse out of a sows ear. The good thing about this site is that it encourages people to take risks, I have absolutely no problem with posting a 'bad' photograph in order to take advantage of others skills and knowledge, its the only way any of us learn and develop. As far as I see it there is little point - apart from boosting the ego, which is nice occassionally*yes- in only posting good pics.
Thanks for all the hard work you do in moderating the site and encouraging so many of us to keep at it.*chr

Shirley

Zuiko
7th June 2008, 09:19 PM
Thanks again.
I dont like it either, but its been fun trying make a silk purse out of a sows ear. The good thing about this site is that it encourages people to take risks, I have absolutely no problem with posting a 'bad' photograph in order to take advantage of others skills and knowledge, its the only way any of us learn and develop. As far as I see it there is little point - apart from boosting the ego, which is nice occassionally*yes- in only posting good pics.
Thanks for all the hard work you do in moderating the site and encouraging so many of us to keep at it.*chr

Shirley

Thanks Shirley.

Just to clarify, I'm not a mod on this site - its John the Music Man who has that honour. But I am a mod on Four Thirds. :)

I agree about posting photos you're not quite happy with, I've benefited from some excellent and really helpful advice on Four Thirds, DP Now and, of course, here on E-System User. *yes

John

shirley
8th June 2008, 01:33 PM
"Just to clarify, I'm not a mod on this site - its John the Music Man who has that honour. But I am a mod on Four Thirds. "

Ooops sorry, my mistake - I put down to age:D