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Ian
16th February 2012, 10:19 AM
Not very sunny here :(

No sign of cameras yet. Will keep you posted....

Ian

Bikie John
16th February 2012, 10:30 AM
Ooohh you rotten tease.....

Ian
16th February 2012, 10:35 AM
We're all stuck in the hotel bar waiting for our room keys... no teasing from me, just plain fact! :)

Ian

Who's_E
16th February 2012, 10:35 AM
No sign of cameras yet. Will keep you posted....

Ian

Hopefully behind the scenes is not going something like this:

Bob: "Dave, can you get the EM-5 samples from your car."

Dave: "Bob, I thought you brought them....."

Look forward to seeing hands on reviews of these beasties. I am still deliberately dilemmarising a pre-order with VP Spending.

Nick

Ian
16th February 2012, 10:49 AM
Bad news - no final firmware so I can't post RAW files or full size JPEGs - only resized to 1600x1200.

Better news is that that shipping is now expected in early to mid-April, not mid-May as I had been told earlier.

Ian

PS still no sign of cameras!

snaarman
16th February 2012, 11:16 AM
Bad news - no final firmware so I can't post RAW files or full size JPEGs - only resized to 1600x1200.

Better news is that that shipping is now expected in early to mid-April, not mid-May as I had been told earlier.

Ian

PS still no sign of cameras!

I don't know.

Stuck in a bar waiting for a nice new camera to arrive.... :)

David M
16th February 2012, 11:20 AM
Not very sunny here :(

Ian

We're getting freezing rain in this part of Ontario.

StephenL
16th February 2012, 11:25 AM
Bad news - no final firmware so I can't post RAW files or full size JPEGs - only resized to 1600x1200.

Better news is that that shipping is now expected in early to mid-April, not mid-May as I had been told earlier.

Ian

PS still no sign of cameras!

Can you bring mine back with you please? Not bothered about which version of firmware!

StephenL
16th February 2012, 11:25 AM
I don't know.

Stuck in a bar waiting for a nice new camera to arrive.... :)

It's a hard life but someone's got to do it ...

Nick Temple-Fry
16th February 2012, 11:32 AM
Well if they haven't finalised the firmware there is still time to alter the exposure compensation to 5 ev, now that would make at least one sale very likely.

Nick

snaarman
16th February 2012, 12:09 PM
This may be a dumb question, but this "made of metal" thing... Is it a plastic cladding over a metal chassis, or is the outside surface metal, like the E-1 and like good old film SLRs were.

I won't be able to afford one until (hopefully) the prices fall, so I want to be able to imagine what it's like :)

Pete

Ross the fiddler
16th February 2012, 12:12 PM
Not very sunny here :(

No sign of cameras yet. Will keep you posted....

Ian

Sorry about your lack of sun. :rolleyes: We actually did have some sun (after many wet days without) & it got nice & warm. :p :D

I'll be looking forward to seeing results from the E-M5 when you actually get your hands on one, *yes especially after seeing some photos on a French site last night (before they got pulled) that were very impressive. On seeing them, I think many people are going to love the reults from this camera.

*chr

Ian
16th February 2012, 12:23 PM
I now have a lovely silver example :)

Off for the shooting tour now.

Ian

StephenL
16th February 2012, 12:33 PM
I now have a lovely silver example :)

Off for the shooting tour now.

Ian

That must be mine, then. ;)

benvendetta
16th February 2012, 12:34 PM
I now have a lovely silver example :)

Off for the shooting tour now.

Ian

Call THIS work.................? ;)

Only a little over a fortnight until the Focus show, boys!

Olybirder
16th February 2012, 12:49 PM
Off for the shooting tour now.
That's a bit drastic. They don't take kindly to criticism?

Ron

andym
16th February 2012, 01:21 PM
Hope the canals are still frozen like last week.

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18816

Nothing to impressive please I can't afford one yet.;)

Ian
16th February 2012, 06:16 PM
This may be a dumb question, but this "made of metal" thing... Is it a plastic cladding over a metal chassis, or is the outside surface metal, like the E-1 and like good old film SLRs were.

I won't be able to afford one until (hopefully) the prices fall, so I want to be able to imagine what it's like :)

Pete

The top and the front are magnesium alloy. It feels solid.

Ian

Ian
16th February 2012, 06:17 PM
Hope the canals are still frozen like last week.

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18816

Nothing to impressive please I can't afford one yet.;)

There is a think skin of residual ice but it's been relatively mild here today.

Ian

Chevvyf1
16th February 2012, 07:36 PM
I now have a lovely silver example :)

Off for the shooting tour now.

Ian

OOOh ! Ian, poor you :rolleyes: I feel so sorry for you having to work all these LONG hours and staying in Foreign hotels :rolleyes: I am hoping you will soon be home, away from this hard work :eek:
ps bring a few "sample cameras" :D

Zuiko
16th February 2012, 07:40 PM
A word of caution, Ian; Whilst you are strolling around Amsterdam, remember that a red light in a window doesn't necessarily inidcate the presence of a fellow photographer charging his BLM-1 or testing the focus assist lamp on his new E-M5! :D

IainMacD
16th February 2012, 07:43 PM
Can you come to Torridon in March and bring some sample E-M5s with you?
*yes *chr

Chevvyf1
16th February 2012, 07:45 PM
A word of caution, Ian; Whilst you are strolling around Amsterdam, remember that a red light in a window doesn't necessarily inidcate the presence of a fellow photographer charging his BLM-1 or testing the focus assist lamp on his new E-M5! :D

:D :D :D :eek: *chr

Zuiko
16th February 2012, 07:46 PM
Can you come to Torridon in March and bring some sample E-M5s with you?
*yes *chr

Noooooo! They'll all be needed for testing by forum members down south! :p

snaarman
16th February 2012, 10:16 PM
A word of caution, Ian; Whilst you are strolling around Amsterdam, remember that a red light in a window doesn't necessarily inidcate the presence of a fellow photographer charging his BLM-1 or testing the focus assist lamp on his new E-M5! :D

Surely a red light in a window indicates a dedicated photographer grafting away in the darkroom?

No?

Ian
16th February 2012, 10:23 PM
Sorry about your lack of sun. :rolleyes: We actually did have some sun (after many wet days without) & it got nice & warm. :p :D

I'll be looking forward to seeing results from the E-M5 when you actually get your hands on one, *yes especially after seeing some photos on a French site last night (before they got pulled) that were very impressive. On seeing them, I think many people are going to love the reults from this camera.

*chr

Yes, naughty French people - they were also clearly told not to upload full res pix.

Ian

Ian
16th February 2012, 10:33 PM
Hello again everyone - just got back from dinner and a long chat with Olympus product planning manager, Toshi Terada.

I will select some shots from today and create a gallery on FTU before I go to bed tonight.

But just before that I will summarise what I found out about the E-M5:

The shutter is smoother an quieter than the Pens and 9 frames per second is fantastic, although I decided to deliberately limit myself to the L continuous mode (4.2fps) sometimes.

The HLD-6 grip is very comfortable to use. My only niggle is that it was easy to accidentally press the portrait mode shutter release. On the other hand I didn't find it too difficult to use the camera with woollen gloves on (the type with the finger ends cut off). The gloves I used had mitten ends for when it gets too cold and even with those on I could use the camera (although not the touch screen!).

The high ISO noise control looks extremely good on the camera's screen. I haven't yet had a chance to look at it on a big screen yet. But comparing ISO 12800 on a Pen E-P3 with ISO 25600 on the E-M5 and the E-M5 looks better.

Anyway, I'm now going to plough through my pictures and prepare that gallery for FTU -I will update the thread here once it's ready.

Ian

Ross the fiddler
16th February 2012, 10:41 PM
A word of caution, Ian; Whilst you are strolling around Amsterdam, remember that a red light in a window doesn't necessarily inidcate the presence of a fellow photographer charging his BLM-1 or testing the focus assist lamp on his new E-M5! :D

And you would know that because.....? ;)

Ross the fiddler
16th February 2012, 10:55 PM
Noooooo! They'll all be needed for testing by forum members down south! :p

Ian would be very welcome way south, down under if he brought a couple of samples & lenses (one for him & one for me, of course) & I'd be very happy to show him around all the good sights of the greater Sydney area (including the Blue Mountains). :D

Ian, you'd still be welcome without the samples. *yes

Zuiko
16th February 2012, 11:19 PM
And you would know that because.....? ;)

"it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God I know I'm one"

Zuiko
16th February 2012, 11:21 PM
9 frames per second is fantastic, although I decided to deliberately limit myself to the L continuous mode (4.2fps) sometimes.



Leave it on 9fps - by the end of the trip you might be able to verify if the shutter is rated for 150,000 frames! :D

David M
17th February 2012, 12:09 AM
Leave it on 9fps - by the end of the trip you might be able to verify if the shutter is rated for 150,000 frames! :D

I believe it's only rated for 100,000 frames.

Ian
17th February 2012, 12:51 AM
I believe it's only rated for 100,000 frames.

Olympus won't publish this information.

Ian

Ian
17th February 2012, 12:53 AM
39 samples, including high ISO images up to ISO 25,600 and a 14 frame 9fps sequence (shot in Large Super Fine + RAW mode):

http://fourthirds-user.com/2012/02/image_samples_from_a_preproduction_olympus_omd_em5 .php

Let me know what you think! :)

Ian

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 01:06 AM
Olympus won't publish this information.

Ian

All the more reason to test it. Keep your finger on the shutter button for 4 hours 38 minutes (at 9fps) and if the shutter is still working at the end we'll know it's good for 150,000 frames! :D

Dan in NC
17th February 2012, 01:12 AM
Thank you for posting these images. I think the high ISO jpegs look pretty darn good, and I assume that you were using the MFT lenses. I don't suppose you had the chance to try a 4/3rds lens on the camera to get a feel for the AF speed?

Anyways, looks like Olympus has created a winner with the E-M5.

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 01:32 AM
Thank you for posting these images. I think the high ISO jpegs look pretty darn good, and I assume that you were using the MFT lenses. I don't suppose you had the chance to try a 4/3rds lens on the camera to get a feel for the AF speed?

Anyways, looks like Olympus has created a winner with the E-M5.

Looking at the pics, first impressions are that the 12-50mm is actually a pretty good performer, though not as good as the 45mm f1.8 (I wouldn't expect it to be and that 45mm hasn't been too kind to the model, either!). ISO 6400 looks like it can be used as a matter of routine, ISO 12800 looks pretty amazing for a 4/3 sensor, but predictably ISO 25600 takes a bit of a tumble. If these shots are typical of what the camera can produce at those sensitivities then it is indeed a remarkable achievement. It will be interesting to see what high ISO is like in raw files. What do you think, Ian, having seen the full resolution files?

Phill D
17th February 2012, 08:03 AM
Lens and camera look to be performing pretty darn well to me. The high iso performance looks incredible compared to what I'm used to. Yes I'm definitely interested to know how it does with 4/3s lenses too. Ian keep up the good work. If you can call it work, seems pretty enjoyable to me.

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 10:07 AM
Ian keep up the good work. If you can call it work, seems pretty enjoyable to me.

Now let's squash once and for all this popular notion that these type of trips are a bit of a jolly for Ian - gosh, the sort of thing we would pay do do ourselves!

I can tell you now that Ian's day probably started with a demanding breakfast at the crack of 9.00am with some difficult decisions to make; continental or full English? Poached or fried - that sort of thing. After breakfast there will be an hour long shoot with a gorgeous half-dressed model with all the pressure of using an unfamiliar camera and yet more difficult decisions regarding which lenses to choose from the full range. Coffee will present another challenge, as last night's football is discussed, with the onus on the English contingent not to appear too smug about Ajax losing 2-0 at home to United.

After coffee, no doubt there will be some free time to explore the local sights, but it's not really free time, with a demanding audience on the forums waiting with baited breath for any new snippet of information and a full set of raw files. Oh, the pressure!

The comes lunch, well you get the idea............. Who in their right mind would want to do all that? :D

Actually, at some point when he has time, Ian should maybe post about the realities of his profession, I'm sure it is not nearly so cosy as we all think! Thanks Ian for, as usual, doing a terrific job on our behalf. *chr

StephenL
17th February 2012, 10:29 AM
Was that the plane you went over in, Ian? Looks like a heavy landing!

bassman
17th February 2012, 01:13 PM
Looks great, image quality, colours etc. Be great to see some outside shots under more favourable conditions, get the feeling they'd really impress. The one thing I really want to know is, when shooting portraits etc. how good and usuable is that viwfinder ? Can't wait 'til Focus !

Ian
17th February 2012, 04:53 PM
Now let's squash once and for all this popular notion that these type of trips are a bit of a jolly for Ian - gosh, the sort of thing we would pay do do ourselves!

I can tell you now that Ian's day probably started with a demanding breakfast at the crack of 9.00am with some difficult decisions to make; continental or full English? Poached or fried - that sort of thing. After breakfast there will be an hour long shoot with a gorgeous half-dressed model with all the pressure of using an unfamiliar camera and yet more difficult decisions regarding which lenses to choose from the full range. Coffee will present another challenge, as last night's football is discussed, with the onus on the English contingent not to appear too smug about Ajax losing 2-0 at home to United.

After coffee, no doubt there will be some free time to explore the local sights, but it's not really free time, with a demanding audience on the forums waiting with baited breath for any new snippet of information and a full set of raw files. Oh, the pressure!

The comes lunch, well you get the idea............. Who in their right mind would want to do all that? :D

Actually, at some point when he has time, Ian should maybe post about the realities of his profession, I'm sure it is not nearly so cosy as we all think! Thanks Ian for, as usual, doing a terrific job on our behalf. *chr

Haha! Actually I had breakfast with Toshi Terada at 07:30 (06:30 UK time). The sample image gallery was published at 01:35 (00:35 UK time) and I got about 4 hours sleep! :)

Wouldn't change the job for (almost) anything though!

Ian

Ian
17th February 2012, 04:57 PM
Was that the plane you went over in, Ian? Looks like a heavy landing!

:) Went to and from London City Airport - my first time there too. Flew in an Avro RJ85 (Air France City Jet to Schiphol).

Ian

Nick Temple-Fry
17th February 2012, 05:10 PM
Haha! Actually I had breakfast with Toshi Terada at 07:30 (06:30 UK time).

Ian

I think we need to know more about this breakfast Ian.

I know it would have been unnecessarily restricted to 3 selections on either side of the default serving, but did it have any other drawbacks?

The coffee cup for example, once the optional handle was fitted - did it really suit big hands and was it practical for those drinkers with longer or larger requirements?

Nick

Ian
17th February 2012, 05:53 PM
I think we need to know more about this breakfast Ian.

I know it would have been unnecessarily restricted to 3 selections on either side of the default serving, but did it have any other drawbacks?

The coffee cup for example, once the optional handle was fitted - did it really suit big hands and was it practical for those drinkers with longer or larger requirements?

Nick

Would you believe that Terada san and I were discussing e-group questions at breakfast this morning - and testing the e-m5 buffer-emptying speed using UHS-1 SD cards?

Surprisingly good bacon for a hotel outside of the UK too!

Ian

Ian
17th February 2012, 06:31 PM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/511/OMD60016.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/42903)

Toshi Terada (taken yesterday) - E-M5, ISO 800, accidentally shot at -1EV compensation but corrected back in Lightroom (using JPEG) - remember when ISO 800 was on the edge of acceptability?

Ian

StephenL
17th February 2012, 06:36 PM
Cannot grumble at that picture!

Olybirder
17th February 2012, 06:57 PM
remember when ISO 800 was on the edge of acceptability?
It still is for me and my E-30. That looks very good.

Ron

Ian
17th February 2012, 07:02 PM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/511/P2162441.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/42904)

An E-M5 for you, what colour would you like? OM-D E-M5 pre-production samples waiting to be distributed to journalists at the Amsterdam seminar.

Ian

StephenL
17th February 2012, 07:28 PM
Does the 12-50 come with the lenshood as standard?

StephenL
17th February 2012, 07:30 PM
Well, I like the black ones, and I like the silver ones. There's only one way to find out - FIGHT!

Ian
17th February 2012, 07:31 PM
Does the 12-50 come with the lenshood as standard?

Fraid not.

Ian

Ian
17th February 2012, 07:32 PM
Well, I like the black ones, and I like the silver ones. There's only one way to find out - FIGHT!

The black one looks much better in product photos, but in reality the silver one looks great in its own right and I chose one of those to use :)

Ian

StephenL
17th February 2012, 08:01 PM
The black one looks much better in product photos, but in reality the silver one looks great in its own right and I chose one of those to use :)

Ian

My pre-order is for the silver, with the proviso that if they only have black, that will do!

Ian
17th February 2012, 08:10 PM
Olympus expect to sell more black ones.

Ian

Melaka
17th February 2012, 09:16 PM
Fraid not.

Ian

Why? That must be the first lens ever for which the hood is an extra.

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 09:19 PM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/511/P2162441.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/42904)

An E-M5 for you, what colour would you like? OM-D E-M5 pre-production samples waiting to be distributed to journalists at the Amsterdam seminar.

Ian

Oh no! Camera Porn! :eek:

:D:D:D

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 09:20 PM
Well, I like the black ones, and I like the silver ones. There's only one way to find out - FIGHT!

Or buy one of each! :D

Ian
17th February 2012, 09:28 PM
Why? That must be the first lens ever for which the hood is an extra.

It's almost always extra with Canon lenses. The 9-18 m.Zuiko, 12mm f/2, 14-42 m.Zuiko II, 45mm f/1.8 m.Zuiko, 14-150, 40-150, 75-300 - none have hoods as standard.

Ian

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 09:34 PM
Why? That must be the first lens ever for which the hood is an extra.

Nope, you've obviously not yet bought an Olympus Micro Four Thirds Lens. :mad:

Ian, here's some feedback for Toshi - we're not happy about having to pay an extra 30 - 40 for a cheap bit of plastic which shoud be provided with the lens anyway! :mad:

Zuiko
17th February 2012, 09:39 PM
It's almost always extra with Canon lenses. The 9-18 m.Zuiko, 12mm f/2, 14-42 m.Zuiko II, 45mm f/1.8 m.Zuiko, 14-150, 40-150, 75-300 - none have hoods as standard.

Ian

Yes, but Canon is for the undiscerning masses, we're talking Olympus here!

Just because Fiat only provide an emergency get-you-home spare wheel doesn't mean I wouldn't expect a prpoer one with a Rolls Royce!

Nick Temple-Fry
17th February 2012, 09:51 PM
Just because Fiat only provide an emergency get-you-home spare wheel doesn't mean I wouldn't expect a proper one with a Rolls Royce!

Apparently you inflate the clock, gets rid of that horrible ticking sound.

Nick

drmarkf
17th February 2012, 10:37 PM
...we're not happy about having to pay an extra 30 - 40 for a cheap bit of plastic which shoud be provided with the lens anyway! :mad:

...and we'll probably only have to wait a few weeks for JJB to offer a decent knock-off at 14.99 on eBay :D

Olybirder
17th February 2012, 10:54 PM
Looking at the photo of all those cameras, I think somebody has already nicked the lens hood from the one in the middle. ;)

Ron

Bill Gordon
17th February 2012, 11:25 PM
Hi Ian and thank you for the play line of your visit which I found to be very informative. It has more or less defined what i will do. I expect a call from my provider to tell me that they are in stock and then I will have a look and feel of this new camera...probably buy it if it is not bigger or heavier that the E-P3 and I am sure you could answer that question for me when you get a chance.

Graham_of_Rainham
17th February 2012, 11:37 PM
http://www.lenshoods.co.uk/ :D

Greytop
18th February 2012, 01:05 AM
A new job and a short break away and I've missed all this..... :)
Thanks Ian, this little OM-D looks a dam fine little camera.

Ian
18th February 2012, 08:51 AM
Hi Ian and thank you for the play line of your visit which I found to be very informative. It has more or less defined what i will do. I expect a call from my provider to tell me that they are in stock and then I will have a look and feel of this new camera...probably buy it if it is not bigger or heavier that the E-P3 and I am sure you could answer that question for me when you get a chance.

The E-P3 is not as tall because of the SLR-style hump on the E-M5 (which contains the EVF and IS sensors) but in reality with the grip off it's very similar in size and weight. Maybe you should pre-order in order to net the free grip?

Ian

Bill Gordon
18th February 2012, 03:26 PM
The E-P3 is not as tall because of the SLR-style hump on the E-M5 (which contains the EVF and IS sensors) but in reality with the grip off it's very similar in size and weight. Maybe you should pre-order in order to net the free grip?

Ian

Thank you Ian for your response. In Canada there are no freebies for pre-orders because our supply chain is in the USA and we are dictated by them as what we can or cannot do. For us...it is always the elephant in the room!!
Further, your two sites are the best on the internet and as I always say "only the Brits" can do it right...all others follow!!

Ian
18th February 2012, 04:05 PM
Thank you Ian for your response. In Canada there are no freebies for pre-orders because our supply chain is in the USA and we are dictated by them as what we can or cannot do. For us...it is always the elephant in the room!!
Further, your two sites are the best on the internet and as I always say "only the Brits" can do it right...all others follow!!

:) I subconsciously considered you to be a Brit (please don't feel offended!).

And you are far too kind with your praise :D

Ian

Bill Gordon
18th February 2012, 04:23 PM
:) I subconsciously considered you to be a Brit (please don't feel offended!).

And you are far too kind with your praise :D

Ian

Ian, by way of my Cockney Mother and Aberdonian Father I guess that makes me somewhat of a Brit!!