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Zuiko
17th July 2011, 06:26 PM
I currently have two pictures in an open exhibition at the gallery where I will be staging my own exhibition next year. Just heard that one of them has sold, which hopefully is a good omen for the future. Won't make a fortune; it's priced at 45, the gallery take 30% which is 13.50 and the cost to me of getting it printed and framed was 12.15, leaving a net profit of 19.35.

However, it's a start and I reckon I need to start playing the numbers game, getting many more pictures out there at many more outlets. It probably means a lot of work for comparatively little reward but in my own particular circumstances I don't need to make a lot to offset the eventual loss of my ESA benefit and at least it is work I can do at my own pace and on days I feel up to it, without having to make a regular committment that I might not be able to fulfill.

Oh, and I've just sold another book on Blurb this weekend, once again not much to get excited about by itself but I can see that lots of little bits of income could start to add up if I can think of enough ways to diversify. :)

Benedict
17th July 2011, 06:32 PM
a 43% net profit is not to be sneezed at,always provided you can get the level of sales up. ESA ???
Good LucK with the venture *chr

PeterBirder
17th July 2011, 07:14 PM
Good news John.
With all the effort you are putting into this enterprise perhaps these are the signs that things are beginning to take off.
I do hope so.*yes

Regards.*chr

Zuiko
17th July 2011, 07:24 PM
a 43% net profit is not to be sneezed at,always provided you can get the level of sales up. ESA ???
Good LucK with the venture *chr

ESA - Employment Support Allowance - a disability benefit based on National Insurance contributions, which I have been paid since I had to take early retirement from my career through ill health about 18 months ago. The Dept for Work and Pensions seem intent upon withdrawing it, despite me winning an independant tribunal hearing as recently as February. Whether or not I survive the latest attempt is immaterial in the long term; the benefit used to be payable indefinitely so long as my condition warranted it (and Parkinson's doesn't get better) but changes made when the Coalition Government came to power mean that w.e.f next April the benefit is payable for a maximum of one year and is retrospective. Therefore in April I will lose it anyway.

Luckily (? :rolleyes:) it's not an absolute fortune, but financially it does keep my head (just) above water. With the writing on the wall I need to come up with a way of making a little money, unless I can think of a job I might be able to do to the satisfaction of a potential employer, and photography on a small scale seems to be worth a go.

Upon winning my tribunal hearing I was placed in the "Work Support Group." I assumed that meant I would get some specialist support to identify work that I might be able to do. I heard nothing and upon enquiring was informed that they would not need to see me until after the results of a new medical assesment (by a private company commissioned by the DWP) which is sheduled for a few weeks time. Presumably if I am assessed as being unfit for work I will then get the specialist support to try and find me work anyway, but if I "fail" the medical I will be cut adrift without a lifeline. In that scenario I will, of course, appeal and if I lose the appeal I will once again request that my case is referred to an independant tribunal. The timescale will take up to April anyway, so it is all somewhat immaterial. :rolleyes:

My advice to anyone is a) make sure you don't get sick and b) take out critical illness insurance which covers degenerative diseases and not just life-threatening ones - that was the chink in my armour!

Cathrine Stephansen
21st July 2011, 10:33 PM
Sorry to hear that, John. I hope it goes well for you! Your photography is certainly worth the sales!

ndl0071
22nd July 2011, 07:58 AM
I currently have two pictures in an open exhibition at the gallery where I will be staging my own exhibition next year. Just heard that one of them has sold, which hopefully is a good omen for the future. Won't make a fortune; it's priced at 45, the gallery take 30% which is 13.50 and the cost to me of getting it printed and framed was 12.15, leaving a net profit of 19.35.

However, it's a start and I reckon I need to start playing the numbers game, getting many more pictures out there at many more outlets. It probably means a lot of work for comparatively little reward but in my own particular circumstances I don't need to make a lot to offset the eventual loss of my ESA benefit and at least it is work I can do at my own pace and on days I feel up to it, without having to make a regular committment that I might not be able to fulfill.

Oh, and I've just sold another book on Blurb this weekend, once again not much to get excited about by itself but I can see that lots of little bits of income could start to add up if I can think of enough ways to diversify. :)

John, this is good news indeed and a welcome step forward, I'll bet.

Just to be nosey, you spend 12.15 on print and frame! What size are these?

Zuiko
22nd July 2011, 09:34 AM
John, this is good news indeed and a welcome step forward, I'll bet.

Just to be nosey, you spend 12.15 on print and frame! What size are these?

Hi Neil,

The 16 x 12 print was from DS Colour Labs and cost 1.15 (yes, 1.15)!

That's one good tip I got from the much maligned Talk Photography forum. I didn't believe that a lab that cheap could be any good so I sent six images to them for printing at 16x12, an identical six to a mid-price lab charging around 6 per print and took the same six to a premium local lab who would have charged 13 per print but agreed to do them for 8 each as I was having six done at the same time.

Judging the prints side by side it was honours even. Two of the most expensive prints were best, as were two from the mid range lab and two from DSCL. It has to be said that the differences between all the prints were very small and I would have been satisfied with all of them. Given the massive price difference I've decided to stick with DSCL. http://www.dscolourlabs.co.uk/

The frame is 20x16 1" black wood, although I've also had natural wood done for the same price. I got the tip to use this framer from the manager of the local gallery where I will be staging my exhibition. The framer is based in Chelmsford market and it's worth the 30 mile round trip to use him, although I usually combine the trip with another purpose.

The first few pictures cost 13 each for mounting, framing and glazing, complete with hanging rings, which I didn't think was too bad. However, now he knows I'm going to be a regular customer he's started charging me only 11 to mount and frame at this price!

These prices do enable me to keep my prices (hopefully) realistic in these difficult economic times whilst still making a worthwhile profit. :)

Benedict
22nd July 2011, 06:58 PM
ESA - Employment Support Allowance - a disability benefit based on National Insurance contributions, which I have been paid since I had to take early retirement from my career through ill health about 18 months ago. The Dept for Work and Pensions seem intent upon withdrawing it, despite me winning an independant tribunal hearing as recently as February. Whether or not I survive the latest attempt is immaterial in the long term; the benefit used to be payable indefinitely so long as my condition warranted it (and Parkinson's doesn't get better) but changes made when the Coalition Government came to power mean that w.e.f next April the benefit is payable for a maximum of one year and is retrospective. Therefore in April I will lose it anyway.

Luckily (? :rolleyes:) it's not an absolute fortune, but financially it does keep my head (just) above water. With the writing on the wall I need to come up with a way of making a little money, unless I can think of a job I might be able to do to the satisfaction of a potential employer, and photography on a small scale seems to be worth a go.

Upon winning my tribunal hearing I was placed in the "Work Support Group." I assumed that meant I would get some specialist support to identify work that I might be able to do. I heard nothing and upon enquiring was informed that they would not need to see me until after the results of a new medical assesment (by a private company commissioned by the DWP) which is sheduled for a few weeks time. Presumably if I am assessed as being unfit for work I will then get the specialist support to try and find me work anyway, but if I "fail" the medical I will be cut adrift without a lifeline. In that scenario I will, of course, appeal and if I lose the appeal I will once again request that my case is referred to an independant tribunal. The timescale will take up to April anyway, so it is all somewhat immaterial. :rolleyes:

My advice to anyone is a) make sure you don't get sick and b) take out critical illness insurance which covers degenerative diseases and not just life-threatening ones - that was the chink in my armour!

I don't want to sound in any way aggressive here - but I think it really is acse of ' he who shouts loudest gets heard' It would appear that any immigrant can come into the country and get what they want - it's the old human rights act in operation,but they ( The Government will try to disallow their own genuine people any benefits if they can ).

Never take NO for an answer.

DekHog
22nd July 2011, 08:29 PM
I don't mind being aggressive, so I'd just like to say it's nice to see the ConDems barely getting their nose through the door, and they're shafting the worst off once again - it wouldn't be so bad, but they believe they're doing it for our own good..... :mad:

I have to agree that DSCL are nothing but superb; I get prints from them regularly and would never use anyone else now....

ndl0071
23rd July 2011, 06:42 AM
Hi Neil,

The 16 x 12 print was from DS Colour Labs and cost 1.15 (yes, 1.15)!

That's one good tip I got from the much maligned Talk Photography forum. I didn't believe that a lab that cheap could be any good so I sent six images to them for printing at 16x12, an identical six to a mid-price lab charging around 6 per print and took the same six to a premium local lab who would have charged 13 per print but agreed to do them for 8 each as I was having six done at the same time.

Judging the prints side by side it was honours even. Two of the most expensive prints were best, as were two from the mid range lab and two from DSCL. It has to be said that the differences between all the prints were very small and I would have been satisfied with all of them. Given the massive price difference I've decided to stick with DSCL. http://www.dscolourlabs.co.uk/

The frame is 20x16 1" black wood, although I've also had natural wood done for the same price. I got the tip to use this framer from the manager of the local gallery where I will be staging my exhibition. The framer is based in Chelmsford market and it's worth the 30 mile round trip to use him, although I usually combine the trip with another purpose.

The first few pictures cost 13 each for mounting, framing and glazing, complete with hanging rings, which I didn't think was too bad. However, now he knows I'm going to be a regular customer he's started charging me only 11 to mount and frame at this price!

These prices do enable me to keep my prices (hopefully) realistic in these difficult economic times whilst still making a worthwhile profit. :)

John, those really are great prices, you done a good job sourcing suppliers.

At the price your're selling at the pics should be flying off the shelf! Perhaps when you've sold a few and get a bit more confident you could start to edge the price upwards a tad:)

Good luck with the sales.

Homer Simpson
23rd July 2011, 04:29 PM
I've just been looking though the latest Olympus Mag.

There is some bloke in there who for all I know, is famous.
He sells "very expensive" photos - I paraphrase!

Frankly they look damn poor to me, certainly not anywhere near the quality of your's, John.

I truely am not trying to be patronising - some of your photos I don't particually like, but they all ooze class, technically.

Adagio
23rd July 2011, 07:06 PM
I don't want to sound in any way aggressive here - but I think it really is acse of ' he who shouts loudest gets heard' It would appear that any immigrant can come into the country and get what they want - it's the old human rights act in operation,but they ( The Government will try to disallow their own genuine people any benefits if they can ).


I don't want to sound aggressive either but I respectfully suggest that your evidence for the assertion regarding immigrants is either anecdotal or derived from the Daily Mail. I am a volunteer with a national advice service. I have had clients who have come here from A8 countries with their partners who were working. Then deserted by partner, left with child - benefits nothing, zero, zilch.

Your remark about Government doing its best to deny anyone benefits has more than a ring of truth.

John - I feel immense sympathy for your situation two questions which I have no right to ask and do not expect you to answer in public so they are prompts really:-
1. Have you applied for DLA?
2. Have you sought advice from your local CAB?

Zuiko
23rd July 2011, 08:50 PM
I don't want to sound aggressive either but I respectfully suggest that your evidence for the assertion regarding immigrants is either anecdotal or derived from the Daily Mail. I am a volunteer with a national advice service. I have had clients who have come here from A8 countries with their partners who were working. Then deserted by partner, left with child - benefits nothing, zero, zilch.

Your remark about Government doing its best to deny anyone benefits has more than a ring of truth.

John - I feel immense sympathy for your situation two questions which I have no right to ask and do not expect you to answer in public so they are prompts really:-
1. Have you applied for DLA?
2. Have you sought advice from your local CAB?

To be fair there is a general public peception that most benefits are paid to undeserving immigrants who get shedloads of cash, no questions asked, or to lazy, work-shy scroungers who fake illness and have a proper job anyway. Papers like the Daily Mail (but by no means only the Daily Mail) help to fan the flames by propogating this perception and the Government (who no doubt find this area of public opinion to be extremely convenient) say nothing to contradict it.

In the past I've probably been as guilty as any of believing this populist view; it's only when you experience the benefits system first hand that you realize the truth is very different.

David, no problem, yes I do receive DLA and yes I have sought advice from the CAB. Right at the beginning when the whole benefits process seemed complicated and confusing (it still does but I've learnt it is purposely designed that way for a reason ;)) CAB explained which benefits I should be entitled to and helped me with the initial application.

There has never been a problem with my DLA (not yet anyway, but I'm sure it will come :rolleyes:), infact I had to tell the DWP when it was first awarded that they had made a mistake by putting me in the top bracket, which clearly wasn't correct.

I'm reconciled to losing my ESA by next April, the new regulations ensure that this will happen and, of course, there is no appeal against the regulations, only if you feel you have been wrongly assessed within the regulations.

What does appear to be particularly cynical is the the DWP/Job Centre Plus seem not to be interested in giving any support or specialist advice in finding employment if you are disabled when they are going through the process of trying to stop ESA. Presumably they just cast people aside when the benefits stop and are only interested in finding work for people who they fail to force off benefits. Or maybe they realize it's a waste of time as there are no jobs out there.

Without any support or advice I cannot see how I could do any regular employment to a satisfactory standard. That's why I'm trying to make something out of my photography, it's something I can do at my own pace and do as much or as little as I want, depending on what sort of day I'm having health-wise. Fortunately I'm not talking about a huge amount of money, but in my cirumstances it does mean a lot to me.

However, I must admit the photography venture is hard work for little reward at the moment and the prospect of regular part-time employment if I could find something suitable does have it's attractions. I'm going to try to force the issue next week by asking for an appointment at the Job Centre whilst the continuation of my ESA is still being assessed. I do need to ensure that what I'm starting to do with my photography falls within the definition of "permitted work" anyway.

Jim Ford
24th July 2011, 11:12 AM
I don't want to sound aggressive either but I respectfully suggest that your evidence for the assertion regarding immigrants is either anecdotal or derived from the Daily Mail. I am a volunteer with a national advice service. I have had clients who have come here from A8 countries with their partners who were working. Then deserted by partner, left with child - benefits nothing, zero, zilch.

I think that what happens is that immigrants entering the Country are assumed to be ignorant of what support than can get, so are comprehensively advised of what is available. 'Natives', who may be entitled to equal support, are assumed to know what they are entitled to, and be able to seek it for themselves.

Jim

Zuiko
24th July 2011, 12:32 PM
I think that what happens is that immigrants entering the Country are assumed to be ignorant of what support than can get, so are comprehensively advised of what is available. 'Natives', who may be entitled to equal support, are assumed to know what they are entitled to, and be able to seek it for themselves.

Jim

My 84 year old mother who lives alone has only recently found out she is entitled to a council tax reduction and has qualified for it for years. Athough she is receiving it now there is no provision for it to be backdated and yet when they catch the benefits cheats they, quite rightly, attempt to recover as much as possible.

By all means they should pursue the real cheats, but they should also lay off hasseling those with genuine needs and spend an equal amount of time and effort trying to identify those with genuine reasons to claim who are unaware that they qualify.

The benefits system should be about much more than containing costs and hitting government targets.

As for immigrants, we only hear about the high profile cases, usually involving a radical muslim cleric or whatever. These people know how to manipulate the system, do so not only to get money but also to undermine the system, and no doubt instal a certain amount of fear in DWP staff who have to deal with them. They should not be considered typical though, I wonder how many normal immigrants are struggling, unaware of their entitlements, or having to combat the crazy rules aimed at detering claimants along with the rest of us?