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ozzie
10th April 2011, 05:51 AM
I have the chance to buy a Sigma 50-500 . I already have the 70-300 and ec14 is the Bigma worth considering for the long range pics I have been told it is not an easy lens to get sharp photos ?
Thanks
John

David Morison
10th April 2011, 06:23 AM
I had a 70-300mm and had some very good results with it but under certain lighting conditions it was very difficult to get anything worthwhile. I then purchased a Sigma 50-500mm and it was a revelation, my hit rate went up by an order of magnitude with some very sharp images. It is however a very long focus lens and does need s fair bit of skill to use for this reason. I sold mine as I was only using it at 500mm, to buy the 300mm f2.8, which doesn't give a much better IQ but is a bit brighter. If you have a chance to buy it at a reasonable price go for it, you won't be disappointed. If you have any doubts just look at PeterD's album!

Regards

David

Melaka
10th April 2011, 07:06 AM
I agree with David. The Bigma is a good lens but it does take time to learn how to get the best from it. Even though I now have the 300mm I'm keeping the Bigma for occasions when something longer is needed.

Chevvyf1
10th April 2011, 07:14 AM
I have just bought one, being a little woman (5'4 and small frame) its a VERY HEAVY BEAST for me! So I am using a monopod and Giotto - tripod too gangly 3 legs in countryside to lugg about!

Peter has some most amazing shots of the Peregrine Falcons with his - BUT this lens needs good and lots of light :eek: and lots of practice to get settings right for you camera at the 500 end ! Peter has E-5 and the quality is AWESOME.

PeterBirder
10th April 2011, 01:17 PM
As birds are one of my main subjects the BIGMA is the lens that is mainly on my camera. The large FL range from 50-500 gives a lot of scope for other uses as well though. As others have noted it is heavy but I've found you can develop muscles without the expense of going to the gym to workout.:) I wouldn't be without mine, if you think you need a long fl lens with the option to go down as low as 50mm as well I would snap it up as Sigma have recently stopped making it in 4/3 fit.

Regards

David Morison
10th April 2011, 01:46 PM
As birds are one of my main subjects the BIGMA is the lens that is mainly on my camera. The large FL range from 50-500 gives a lot of scope for other uses as well though. As others have noted it is heavy but I've found you can develop muscles without the expense of going to the gym to workout.:) I wouldn't be without mine, if you think you need a long fl lens with the option to go down as low as 50mm as well I would snap it up as Sigma have recently stopped making it in 4/3 fit.

Regards
If you think the "Bigma" is heavy try the 300mm f2.8 - nearly twice the weight!!

David

Ross the fiddler
10th April 2011, 01:54 PM
Well Ozzie, it looks like a good goer. You have 2 advantages so far, you will probably have better light here & you have the E5.

I'd be intersted in one at a good price too.

I wish you well John.

*chr

ozzie
10th April 2011, 10:55 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies. Will start the negotations streight way.:)

Chevvyf1
11th April 2011, 08:49 AM
I look forward to see your "Training" and "Best shots" ! I am still on Training shots !

Ian
11th April 2011, 09:57 AM
Interesting comment about the 300 2.8 IQ not being much better than the Bigma, although brighter.

I think that needs some qualification. The 300 ought to be more contrasty and sharper and probably offer superior bokeh.

So are you saying this isn't so or are you factoring in use at 500 versus 300 so decrease in quality through cropping, or using a converter with the 300?

Ian

David M
11th April 2011, 10:21 AM
Interesting comment about the 300 2.8 IQ not being much better than the Bigma, although brighter.

I think that needs some qualification. The 300 ought to be more contrasty and sharper and probably offer superior bokeh.

So are you saying this isn't so or are you factoring in use at 500 versus 300 so decrease in quality through cropping, or using a converter with the 300?

Ian

Well f2.8 v f6.3 is more than a 'bit' brighter.

David Morison
11th April 2011, 01:11 PM
Interesting comment about the 300 2.8 IQ not being much better than the Bigma, although brighter.

I think that needs some qualification. The 300 ought to be more contrasty and sharper and probably offer superior bokeh.

So are you saying this isn't so or are you factoring in use at 500 versus 300 so decrease in quality through cropping, or using a converter with the 300?

Ian
Yes I was referring to the final image of any particular subject after cropping. The 300mm definitely has a sharper, more contrasty image, as it should do being a prime versus a 10x zoom, but looking back at my collection of the same birds taken from the same location it is very difficult to see the difference and the Bigma @ 300mm only seems to lose out on brightness. The EC20 with the 300mm gave disappointing results with lack of contrast and sharpness being the main problems but the EC14 does the job with no noticeable degrading of the image from the bare lens.

David

Melaka
11th April 2011, 04:05 PM
The EC20 with the 300mm gave disappointing results with lack of contrast and sharpness being the main problems but the EC14 does the job with no noticeable degrading of the image from the bare lens.

David

My experience is much the same.

Chevvyf1
11th April 2011, 04:41 PM
Interesting comment about the 300 2.8 IQ not being much better than the Bigma, although brighter.

I think that needs some qualification. The 300 ought to be more contrasty and sharper and probably offer superior bokeh.

So are you saying this isn't so or are you factoring in use at 500 versus 300 so decrease in quality through cropping, or using a converter with the 300?

Ian

Ian, you seem to be in the KNOW - does THIS

" ... Advanced requirements for AF speed and viewfinder tracking speed can still be met only with the Four Thirds System" ... [extract from the Olympus E-5 where is it going?" thread & press release]

MEAN that Olympus are addressing the poor AF and lack of Tracking ? because that would be AWESOME witht he BIGMA & E-5 ?????

(rattling pennies here for E-5 ...:)

ozzie
12th April 2011, 12:16 AM
I look forward to see your "Training" and "Best shots" ! I am still on Training shots !

Unfortunately that will have to wait a bit longer I was one hour late with my offer the seller had sold by the time I got back to him:(

David M
12th April 2011, 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by David Morison
The EC20 with the 300mm gave disappointing results with lack of contrast and sharpness being the main problems but the EC14 does the job with no noticeable degrading of the image from the bare lens.

My experience is much the same.

Seriously? In that case I'm definitely sticking with my legacy 350mm. Being 50mm longer I rarely need more than the EC14/1.4x-A to give me a 500mm f4.

And if I do need more I've never had a problem using a 2x-A behind it and neither have my clients/publishers.

ozzie
18th April 2011, 03:29 AM
Well as luck has it I managed to pick up a Bigma on ebay for a reasonable price can't wait to start the learning curve :)
John

Chevvyf1
18th April 2011, 08:41 AM
WOW Lucky you - lets see some shots soon then ? Heavy beast dont you think?

ozzie
18th April 2011, 09:13 AM
WOW Lucky you - lets see some shots soon then ? Heavy beast dont you think?
I havn't received the lens yet Chevvyf1 hopefully by the weekend . Any suggestions would be appreciated .
Should get a good laugh at the first attempts by the sounds of it
Cheers
John

Ross the fiddler
18th April 2011, 12:15 PM
I havn't received the lens yet Chevvyf1 hopefully by the weekend . Any suggestions would be appreciated .
Should get a good laugh at the first attempts by the sounds of it
Cheers
John

Yeah, just don't drop it. :D

You should have fun with it. Some have used monopods to help with stability with this lens, but that is only hearsay & not from (my) experience.

Chevvyf1
18th April 2011, 12:25 PM
I have got some ok'ish shots from it, see here

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13913

But I have a long way to go to get anywhere near the standard Peter gets, see here

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13650

But Life is a Journey of learning - not a destination of KNOWLEDGE ! and I am learning about BIGMA ! the nicest thing, is having discovered HERE is the knowledge and information to do better - with whatever you have !

ozzie
28th April 2011, 06:43 AM
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/4282221.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/33225)
I would not normally waste my time shooting in this light but having just got the Bigma I had a go. Late afternoon overcast with drizzle and windy and very little birds (sorry I dont know what they are they just happen to land where I was)
I know there is much to learn but I am happy so far
Thanks
John

Chevvyf1
28th April 2011, 07:19 AM
John a GREAT START ! love these cute and fluffy little green birds !

What BOD are you using ? *chr

ozzie
28th April 2011, 07:25 AM
Hi Chevvyf1
This was with the E5 but images with the E3 seen very similar but I bet that changes with some decent light. And you are right this is a heavy lens
Thanks
John

Chevvyf1
28th April 2011, 07:29 AM
Hi Chevvyf1
This was with the E5 but images with the E3 seen very similar but I bet that changes with some decent light. And you are right this is a heavy lens
Thanks
John

I am going to email Peter re "Optimal Settings" for use of E5 + BIGMA he gets the most AMAZING RESULTS ! one I know is ESP Metering ?other I shall let you know if you like ?

ozzie
28th April 2011, 07:34 AM
Thank you very much I am keen to learn how to get the best out of this lens .
John

Chevvyf1
28th April 2011, 09:34 AM
Ossie also a few others on here Derek being another and John P/Zuiko ? i shall post a thread asking for setting suggestions !

blu-by-u
29th September 2017, 05:23 AM
Sorry for digging up a long buried thread, Is this 50-500 worth getting? Am offered a used for around GBP350. Intend to use it with the EM1.2

Won't be the fastest around but it works with the EC14.:rolleyes:
ProCapture won't work.:( Not the sharpest knife around :o

So should I jump for it or not?

Ross the fiddler
29th September 2017, 06:05 AM
Sorry for digging up a long buried thread, Is this 50-500 worth getting? Am offered a used for around GBP350. Intend to use it with the EM1.2

Won't be the fastest around but it works with the EC14.:rolleyes:
ProCapture won't work.:( Not the sharpest knife around :o

So should I jump for it or not?

I wouldn't call it the sharpest lens around & can also show CA, but I definitely would not try to use the EC14 with it though (unless just experimenting on a tripod). In my experience (when I tried one), it is a little heavy & not easy to hand hold for long periods of time.

griffljg
29th September 2017, 08:13 AM
I wouldn't call it the sharpest lens around & can also show CA, but I definitely would not try to use the EC14 with it though (unless just experimenting on a tripod). In my experience (when I tried one), it is a little heavy & not easy to hand hold for long periods of time.

Agreed. It isn't exactly all that great for birds in flight. However, if the light is decent, it isn't all that bad for airshows. Here are some which I took at an airshow earlier this year. I was using an EM-1 II.


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4161/33536896343_660cee0566_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T6xmSK)


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/33396443504_65832162fe_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ST8v95)


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4177/34189796482_a684252f6f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/U6eDkG)


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2826/34347885425_3514c6ed61_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UkcTF8)

As Ross mentioned, the chromatic aberration can get quite noticeable, but didn't affect the photos above. However, if you look at the birdie pic below, you'll see plenty:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5668/22980358976_994c592428_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/B1Gm6N)

blu-by-u
30th September 2017, 07:22 AM
Was looking forward to getting it before the Super GT but it will be way after.

blu-by-u
14th May 2018, 08:44 AM
Had a chance to use this lens for a concert. The lighting was low and the lens being HEAVY, I had to mount it on a monopod.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/972/40292400320_c316cf57b1_c.jpg
ƒ/6.3, 1/250s, ISO1600, 500mm

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/981/41198815285_9d557e622c_c.jpg
ƒ/6.2, 228.0 mm, 1/160s ISO2500

Bikie John
14th May 2018, 08:54 AM
Those look pretty good. You must have had decent lighting to get those exposures, even at ISO 1600!

John

griffljg
14th May 2018, 08:57 AM
Great shots! That lens is a bit of a challenge to use, isn't it?

blu-by-u
15th May 2018, 02:14 AM
It's a huge challenge. I am so used to shooting handheld that having a lens mounted on a monopod restricts the movement, also being a PDAF, it won't lock at low lights.

I am wondering how those birders shoot birds sitting inside trees and in the shadows :eek:

That ISO 1600 was the end when the whole stage was lighted up.:D

This was pretty dark. Brighten in post processing.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/975/42099500331_1991d00170_c.jpg
ƒ/6.2 228.0 mm 1/200s ISO 3200

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/968/27229494847_9468bc6975_c.jpg
ƒ/5.6 107.0 mm 1/160s ISO 4000

Ross the fiddler
15th May 2018, 05:59 AM
Very nice Henry. So what were they performing? Obviously Jesus's Crucifixion is part of it, but surely not "Jesus Christ Superstar", was it?

blu-by-u
15th May 2018, 07:10 AM
Very nice Henry. So what were they performing? Obviously Jesus's Crucifixion is part of it, but surely not "Jesus Christ Superstar", was it?

It a musical called The story of Love

There are 11 parts in all.
P.S. you might spot me in the audience.

Bikie John
15th May 2018, 08:41 AM
Since the subjects are not moving too much, you could try using manual focus. I am getting the fingers trained to use it with the magnified view, and for the right kind of subject it really helps.

John

blu-by-u
15th May 2018, 12:54 PM
Some of them are relatively still. Yes, I did manual focus with the peaking and magnifying assist. My recomposing was a tat slow. After a few tries, I gave up.