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Garrie
26th March 2008, 08:43 AM
Hi All,

Well I got to say I am disappointed with the amount of Entries for the 4th E Group Challenge. I know there is 5 days to go however in 2 weeks Iíve received only 5 entries from 237 active members.

Perhaps itís me, perhaps itís the subject I choose (although Nigh Time as a subject offers loads of possibilities). I really canít understand why there are not more entries.

To be honest I do feel a little let down by the site, it has kind of made me feel and its hard to describe perhaps alienated is the right word. Certainly has made me think differently but such is life.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, its not meant to be.

All the best
Garrie

ravenblack
26th March 2008, 08:47 AM
I have been working very hard (long hours and stuff), and also playing about with photomatix too much! I will certainly try something, so don't feel so despondent! :)

Scapula Memory
26th March 2008, 09:01 AM
Garrie,

Dont be to harsh because the first couple of challenges only had a moderate amount of entries. Most people have full time jobs, families etc and this can seriously limit time. Also consider that many do not enjoy or feel they can take good enough images for a competition however friendly. Lastly the theme may have been a tad harder than normal as many do not shoot at night or have very limited experience like myself. I did enter the last one and wanted to enter this but even though I had a few ideas I was mostly struggling to find time.

Hope you do not feel alienated especially after you have posted so many fine HDR images.

ianc
26th March 2008, 10:27 AM
Garrie,

While I have entered this challenge I didn't enter any of the other 3 simply because I didn't get time to take a good enough shot. I did take a picture that would have fallen into the reflections category but I didn't feel it was good enough to post on the site let alone enter a competition. I'm sure most of us are trying to improve our photography and editing out pictures which don't meet our quality standards is a large part of that. Just think how bad it would be if all 237 of us entered without any self imposed quality control.

Ian C.

j.baker
26th March 2008, 11:01 AM
Apart from my moon photographs, I have not taken any at night yet. The weather has not been very good. I will however try to get a photo for the comp.

Susan
26th March 2008, 11:13 AM
The whole point of the competitions is as fun and trying out new things (in my opinion) that wouldn't maybe normally be tried out.
The competitions aren't meant as stressful or be putting people off, it's all about enjoying taking pictures. I see the competitions as an incentive to get out there and take shots, not necessarily competition specifically minded but as a theme to try out.

My feeling are as the weeks and competitions progressed, more people would enter and take part, as a community more than anything else really.
The forum is a friendly place, which seems, at the moment to have a very open minded view and opinion about different style of photography and subject matters.

People update and add to their gallery quite frequently, and the majority of shots I've seen are well worthy of entering competitions, yet they don't feel comfortable entering a friendly competition, where there's no pressure or prizes, just the fun of taking part!

I work full time, have part time hobbies/jobs that take up quite a bit of time, but still enjoying taking part in the competitions and use it as an excuse almost to get out there and spend some time with my camera!

Invicta
26th March 2008, 11:58 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with your choice of subject. The number of entries sounds about in-line if not higher than the going run-rate.

Maybe the rules could be relaxed a bit and the requirement for the picture to be taken within the same month removed. This would make it easier to send entries.

Zuiko
27th March 2008, 04:15 AM
Hi Garrie,

It's certainly not you and your subject choice is a great one. I do however find the requirement to take a picture within a two week period specifically for the competition restrictive. The best night pictures are invariably taken at dusk, while there is still some colour from reflected light in the sky. At this time of year that usually happens while I'm still at work! I know there's always the weekeend and it's all too easy to make excuses, but just wait until you've got kids!

On the other hand I do feel guilty for not supporting the forum competitions so I will try to make more of an effort in future.

Sorry!

Zuiko

PeterD
27th March 2008, 04:44 AM
Hi All,

Well I got to say I am disappointed with the amount of Entries for the 4th E Group Challenge. I know there is 5 days to go however in 2 weeks Iíve received only 5 entries from 237 active members.

Perhaps itís me, perhaps itís the subject I choose (although Nigh Time as a subject offers loads of possibilities). I really canít understand why there are not more entries.

To be honest I do feel a little let down by the site, it has kind of made me feel and its hard to describe perhaps alienated is the right word. Certainly has made me think differently but such is life.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, its not meant to be.

All the best
Garrie

Garrie,

Do not feel despondant there is only room for one of us here feeling that way;). I have seen what happens on other sites remember and I can assure you that this is the best:) and I proved it by coming back.

Some of the people have explained their reasons for not being able to join in at this time, As the competitions progress I am sure more shall join in. In my opinion, the rule that the photographs should be taken within the period of the competition is a good one as the whole purpose is to get us all out taking pictures. What might work better is to extend the submission period. What do you think?

PeterD

blu-by-u
27th March 2008, 06:45 AM
Photo challenge? Sorry, I'm new here, please point me in the right direction.

PeterD
27th March 2008, 07:00 AM
Photo challenge? Sorry, I'm new here, please point me in the right direction.

Hi blu

Tried to find the sticky thread re the challenge details but i cannot find it now.

Contact Garrie. He has set the challenge and the rules that apply.

Basically, we run a photo challenge and the winner sets the next challenge. No prizes:( other than to have the honour of running the next one:). The subject is night time but Garrie will give you all the details

PeterD

theMusicMan
27th March 2008, 07:42 AM
Photo challenge? Sorry, I'm new here, please point me in the right direction.Here you go...

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1236

John

Scapula Memory
27th March 2008, 08:25 AM
What might work better is to extend the submission period. What do you think?

PeterD

Totally agree and mentioned it at the start. A monthly competition would give more time thus probably more entries.

Zuiko
27th March 2008, 11:02 PM
Totally agree and mentioned it at the start. A monthly competition would give more time thus probably more entries.

Yes, even my excuses would wear a bit thin if I had a month to rise to the challenge! If it is felt that such a long period would make it difficult to maintain interest, then two competitions could be run concurrently but overlapped so that a result is announced and a new competition started every two weeks. Just an idea.........

Zuiko

steverh
28th March 2008, 01:21 AM
I would love to have a go but personal circumstances have made it impossible to get an entry that would fit the rather strict time limits.

The number of replies here shows that people do support the idea, but maybe the rules need tweaking a bit.

Ellie
28th March 2008, 01:22 AM
Sorry, I haven't been around much because Easter got in the way and we were a bit busy. Haven't been out with my camera either, because the weather's been so lousy.

theMusicMan
28th March 2008, 05:00 AM
OK, I'm hearing here that most feel the challenge would be better if it were a monthly one...? Is that the general concensus...?

If so, then let's just do that; if it means we are then able to get more entries then that's for the better yeah?

PeterD
28th March 2008, 08:43 AM
John,

You have my vote on that

PeterD

ndl0071
28th March 2008, 08:59 AM
It would seem here that the perceived Ďbeefí is the lack of entries, this being the case perhaps we should ask ourselves what is an acceptable level of entry is, it 10 or 20 or perhaps 30 or more? Until we know the answer to this how can we apply a remedy? I think perhaps extending the comp to a month would yield a higher level of entries but would there be enough additional entries to make the extended time worthwhile?

My best guess is that there have been about 10 entries for each comp so far, I ran the 2nd comp and we had 11entries on that occasion, if it is decided that 10 is an acceptable level I see no reason to extend the time limits if however we are looking for 20 then it may be prudent to extend the time allowed.

I canít help thinking though that this particular challenge has been hit by the rather inclement weather over the last couple of weeks or so, personally I am not used to night photography and would love to give it a go but for me it would be more of a summer/autumn project. Personally I donít fancy trying to take a comp worthy shot when itís blowing a gale and tipping with rain not to mention the cold, yes call me a wuss if you will but in my advancing years I have come to like my fireside!!

All this of course is not Garries fault, he may be the master of HDR but alas even he cannot create ideal weather conditions (if only) please Garrie donít get despondent with the comp it is only through persevering and teamwork that we can collectively make this work, if not for this comp for all the future ones.

So back to my original thoughts what are the forum memberís expectations of an acceptable number of entries, making a competition worthwhile running?

:):)

theMusicMan
28th March 2008, 10:26 AM
Personally for me, Id say that 5 entries was enough.

However, I would hazard a guess that there's another reason for the low number of entries and that is that people may feel their images are not perhaps up to what they perceive as the quality of some others. I see some images on here and I am in awe, and only wish I could take shots on a par with those I have seen, but that doesn't stop me trying. Take the recent superb shots of the Scottish Landscape - and I mean they are superb, and then look at my only landscape shot... there's simply no comparison, mine is simply miles behind. But this is the point... I am sure all of us here want to improve our photography - even if it means trying out what others have done and attempting to replicate the shot. The challenges should also be perceived as just that i.e. a method of improving ones photography.

We all know it's not about the winning, and though I am sure we all also enjoy the little boost when we do get that pat on the back and acknowledgment regarding our photo's, but let's also try not to worry that our entries are not as good as other entries. Photography of course, has objectivity, but it also has a significant element of subjectivity; one persons food is another persons poison and all that, but consider the challenge as just that... a challenge to improve ones technique and ability.

So come on, get those entries in to Garrie yeah, there's still a few days to go.

blu-by-u
29th March 2008, 12:13 AM
You get my vote for a Monthly challenge..but can the time frame be slightly longer..maybe 1 ~2 old photos? *chr

theMusicMan
29th March 2008, 06:48 AM
The only thing I'd say about that would be that it doesn't encourage us to go out and use our cameras to get new photo's! I appreciate we may all have photo's tucked away in our libraries that we could enter into the challenges, but it doesn't encourage us to 'get out there', that's my only reservation about using old photo's.

steverh
29th March 2008, 07:51 AM
I'd vote for sticking with the "new photos only" rule. I'd just extend the time period to four weeks or a month, rather than two weeks.

PeterD
29th March 2008, 08:06 AM
I'd vote for sticking with the "new photos only" rule. I'd just extend the time period to four weeks or a month, rather than two weeks.

seconded

PeterD

ndl0071
29th March 2008, 08:16 AM
Just posted this on another thread, we seem to have several threads on the same subject at present. Hope you don't mind.

Hi all,

Just cast my vote, I went for the fortnight option as I feel this fits in with what I saw as the original idea of a fun, quick fire, no pressure take it or leave it project with quick results. You always know that if you miss one for whatever reason there's another one coming along shortly.

I feel that a month long comp may have the effect that people will get a little bored with it and interest may wain if we need to wait 3-4 weeks between posting and results. Also by going monthly it will half the amount of challenges over the course of the year greatly reducing shooting time and stifling the new opportunities for creativity that these challenges bring to us.

Presently the comp spans 3 weeks given the weeks voting on top of the 2 weeks shooting time, therefore does it follow that the monthly comp will actually be a 5 week comp taking into account the weeks voting? Perhaps a sensible compromise would be 3 weeks shooting time and 1 weeks voting?

Going one step further do we need to vote at all to find a winner? should we follow the FTU site whereby the facilitator chooses a winner overnight and almost instantly the challenge is reset by the winner therefore giving everyone more shooting weeks? After all the idea is to get out and take photos. Incidentally I think the FTU Challenge runs on a fortnightly cycle more or less.

I felt compelled to tell members why I voted for the fortnight option and to highlight some reservations that I have as I have not seen any of the above aired by other members, perhaps there is a wider debate to be had?

I would be interested to hear other members thoughts on the above in order for John aka The Musicman to consider the wider issue.

Cheers
Neil:):)