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Ian
29th March 2011, 10:05 AM
As a result of the discussion here:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13694

..I'm seriously considering the idea of offering an IR converted body to the site's Olympus gear hire stock (http://e-group.uk.net/hire).

It will probably be a Pen E-PL1 to start with as this could be used by both Four Thirds lens users (with an adapter) and Micro Four Thirds lens users. But if the service is popular enough I may well source an IR-converted E-System DSLR body as well.

Can I just take a straw poll to see if anyone here would be interested in hiring such a camera body?

Incidentally, we do have continental hire customers, but there is an extra cost to the shipping. Nobody has hired from the USA yet, probably because of the high shipping costs.

So what do you think?!

Ian

CallaWolf
29th March 2011, 11:25 AM
As someone who's done IR work in the past, i think it's a great idea.

I wish I could find someone/somewhere who'd be willing to convert MY EPL-1 on a tight budget.

I used to have a converted E420 but that had to go to replenish my empty coffers. I miss it

menace1944
29th March 2011, 12:04 PM
I would be interested although it is about 50 years since I did any IR. At least there will be no need to keep the loaded camera in the fridge. What about IR flash? I still remember the smell of flash bulbs dipped in gelatine dye to give IR flash.

Ian
29th March 2011, 12:24 PM
I would be interested although it is about 50 years since I did any IR. At least there will be no need to keep the loaded camera in the fridge. What about IR flash? I still remember the smell of flash bulbs dipped in gelatine dye to give IR flash.

IR flash - would this be popular? Most examples of IR photography are landscapes.

Ian

AlistairJ
29th March 2011, 12:37 PM
You can do it, for a still life for example. Flash seems to be very similar to sunlight. Not saying you should do it :)

menace1944
29th March 2011, 03:15 PM
I can't think of any real use now but in distant past (~1963) I tried IR film with coated flash bulbs for night wildlife shots. If one was lucky there was not enough visible light to scare the subject away. Now one would just use very high ISO or an image intensifier.

jamie allan
29th March 2011, 03:24 PM
Ian,
There's a sale on eBay from the US of an IR E-1 which details the company that does the conversion if that's any use to you.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Olympus-EVOLT-E-1-E1-5-0-Meg-Infrared-IR-Digital-Camera-/270726868944?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item3f08942fd0

shirley
29th March 2011, 08:10 PM
Ian,
There's a sale on eBay from the US of an IR E-1 which details the company that does the conversion if that's any use to you.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Olympus-EVOLT-E-1-E1-5-0-Meg-Infrared-IR-Digital-Camera-/270726868944?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item3f08942fd0

I've just bought a converted E500 from him:eek:

He accepted an offer below the asking price so if anybody is interested in the E1 it would be worth putting in an offer. I paid 280 which I thought was quite good as I wouldn't need to pay postage to US and I get to keep my back up E510.

Now I wait with excitement for it to arrrive, *yes I am hoping I might be able to get out with it over Easter, mind you I have not heard good things about USPS so I will have to wait and see!! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the pointer Jamie.

Shirley

Zuiko
29th March 2011, 08:43 PM
Oh, I'm sooooo tempted! An IR converted E-1 for $495 (just over 300)!

Postage is a bit steep (not surprising comming from the States) but if he would accept an offer of $450 that would cover the postage.......although VAT of about 60 would be due.

Think I'll sleep on it.

shirley
29th March 2011, 09:01 PM
I managed to knock him down from $525 to $450, so definitely worth an offer. Of course I have no idea what I will have to pay in tax but I still think its a good deal.

If you get the E1 we could have an e system IR day out *laugh

Ian
31st March 2011, 02:47 PM
In principle it looks like we will be going ahead with getting an E-PL1 converted to IR. It will probably take a couple of weeks or so. I'll let you know when the camera is converted and back with us.

Ian

Ian
5th April 2011, 09:53 AM
A quick update; we've received an ex-demo E-PL1 body from Olympus and will be sending it off for IR conversion shortly :)

Ian

Zuiko
5th April 2011, 12:13 PM
A quick update; we've received an ex-demo E-PL1 body from Olympus and will be sending it off for IR conversion shortly :)

Ian

Great news, Ian. :)

Ian
5th April 2011, 02:17 PM
Great news, Ian. :)

Thanks John. It will be converted to 720nm which will enable false colour IR photography as well as post-processing to the more common luminous mono type of results.

The should be back with us in about two weeks and we'll spend a week or so testing it. If anybody is interested in hiring the converted IR Pen from around the end of the month onwards, please get in touch to reserve dates.

I've not yet sorted prices, but there's no obligation if you just reserve days at this stage.

Ian

Ian
15th April 2011, 09:37 AM
The work to convert our E-PL1 to infra red has been completed and we will get the camera back next Tuesday! Can't wait to try it out :)

Ian

crimbo
15th April 2011, 04:08 PM
I think you are gonna have fun...you may not hire it out!
As for the IR flash...they have been used for night time street photography in IR

Ian
15th April 2011, 04:54 PM
I think you are gonna have fun...you may not hire it out!
As for the IR flash...they have been used for night time street photography in IR

Indeed! :)

Well, I will look into the IR flash potential...

Ian

Zuiko
15th April 2011, 05:35 PM
The work to convert our E-PL1 to infra red has been completed and we will get the camera back next Tuesday! Can't wait to try it out :)

Ian

Looking forward to seeing some of the results! :)

Ian
19th April 2011, 04:58 PM
The infra red converted E-PL1 has arrived at last. I have just literally been outside the office snapping what I can in the late afternoon light:

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4190182.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23806)
This is a colour image (RAW) processed in Lightroom 3.4RC with just some contrast, sharpening, and white balance adjustments.

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4190182-2.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23805)
And the same image again, converted in Lightroom to mono.

Olympus Pen E-PL1, 720nm IR conversion, ISO 200, f/8, 1/250th.

Going to have lots of fun with this! :)

Ian

crimbo
19th April 2011, 05:11 PM
:)
go do some street photography....

AlistairJ
19th April 2011, 06:12 PM
Hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of adjusting white balance and swapping red and blue colour channels for you (using gimp):

http://alistairj.smugmug.com/photos/1257896162_zpV4JTB-L.jpg

Ian
19th April 2011, 07:02 PM
No problem at all Alistair, I'm on a steep learning curve at the moment! I like what you have done. ;)

Ian

Ian
20th April 2011, 09:25 AM
Here's my go at swapping the red and blue channels from the original RAW file:

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4190182-Edit.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23812)

Ian

AlistairJ
20th April 2011, 10:06 AM
Plenty of colour in the images from this camera. *yes

Apart from swapping red and blue, the only other thing I did was adjust the white balance, by sampling one of the leaves as a grey point in Levels.

Ian
20th April 2011, 06:24 PM
Not had much time to play today, but here are a couple taken with the converted Olympus Pen E-PL1 this morning:

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4200201-Edit1.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23815)
False colour version

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4200201-Edit2.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23816)
Mono version

I still have a lot to learn!

Ian

Ian
21st April 2011, 10:43 AM
I've noted that some like to use a very low colour temperature as a starting point (easy to do if you are shooting RAW). This one was set to 2100K:

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4200199-Edit.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23822)
False colour

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P4200199-Edit2.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23823)
Mono

Once again, swapped the red and blue channels and then adjusted to my preference using colour balance, saturation, levels, etc.

Ian

Ian
21st April 2011, 10:48 AM
Looks like blue channel noise is making its self known! Will attempt to address that next time.

Ian

Alan Clogwyn
21st April 2011, 12:13 PM
looking good this - I used to favour 2150K on the E520 for IR, but that was through the blocking filter as well.

Who's first in line to hire the new beast?

Ian
20th April 2012, 12:15 PM
I would just like to remind everyone that we have an IR-converted Pen E-PL1 available for hire. Spring is a great time for IR photography with new greenery and spring flowers everywhere.

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P5051456.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23925)
Normal colour

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/547/P5040654-Edit.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/23924)
Infra red mono

http://dpnow.com/galleries/data/1111/medium/P4300317-Edit.jpg (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/24204)
Infra red colour

There is a good thread on this subject, including a link to an article on IR photography here:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14551

We quote the basic price is 49 for a minimum three day hire and we have reduced the charge for subsequent days from 15 per day down to 12.25 per day for days 4-7 and just 9.80 per day for any further days (including VAT, but not delivery) and is supplied with the standard 14-42mm kit zoom lens.

But for a limited period until the end of May we're offering a 20% reduction on these prices. If you hire another lens or lenses with the IR body, you can also have 20% off those items :)

Email hire@e-group.uk.net if you are interested!

Ian

theMusicMan
20th April 2012, 01:24 PM
Hi Ian - hope you don't mind if I also add a link to my Introduction to IR Tutorial thread, which really starts at post 33 here...

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7269&page=3

Enjoy.

IR is a superbly interesting subject folks, and I'd strongly suggest getting out there and trying it.

Jim Ford
20th April 2012, 06:14 PM
The two of you are interesting, Ian!

Did the IR camera 'see' through the tinting of your glasses, or are the glasses photochromic and the sun had gone in so they went clear on the IR image?

Jim

Ian
2nd May 2012, 02:28 PM
The two of you are interesting, Ian!

Did the IR camera 'see' through the tinting of your glasses, or are the glasses photochromic and the sun had gone in so they went clear on the IR image?

Jim

Sorry for the late response - no, the i/r is not filtered by the sunglasses (which are quite ordinary), so the lens appears transparent :)

Ian

Ian
2nd May 2012, 02:42 PM
Don't miss out on Amateur Photographer magazine's special feature on IR this week, see:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150864008923615&set=a.10150169410773615.341539.103141808614&type=1&theater

Ian

Simon Bee
2nd May 2012, 04:03 PM
As a result of the discussion here:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13694

..I'm seriously considering the idea of offering an IR converted body to the site's Olympus gear hire stock (http://e-group.uk.net/hire).

It will probably be a Pen E-PL1 to start with as this could be used by both Four Thirds lens users (with an adapter) and Micro Four Thirds lens users. But if the service is popular enough I may well source an IR-converted E-System DSLR body as well.

Can I just take a straw poll to see if anyone here would be interested in hiring such a camera body?

Incidentally, we do have continental hire customers, but there is an extra cost to the shipping. Nobody has hired from the USA yet, probably because of the high shipping costs.

So what do you think?!

Ian

Hi Ian,

I would definitely be interested in hiring an IR E5

Regards Simon

Jim Ford
2nd May 2012, 06:27 PM
Sorry for the late response - no, the i/r is not filtered by the sunglasses (which are quite ordinary), so the lens appears transparent :)


Thanks for the reply Ian - it's a really interesting effect!

Jim

Ian
17th May 2012, 06:19 PM
Don't forget that our special offer on the infra-red converted E-PL1 hire finishes at the end of this month. Get your booking in before the end of the last day of the month to avoid disappointment!

20% off offer details here:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showpost.php?p=161356&postcount=29

Ian

Ian
3rd June 2013, 12:58 PM
You're very welcome, John - the more awareness of what's possible with IR the better :)

Ian