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Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 01:52 AM
I'm experiencing an issue it seems with my E5 where sometimes the photos aren't sharp, it's like they are very slightly misfocussed but when I look through the photo from the foreground to infinity nothing is sharp when this occurs, it's all unsharp by the same degree right through the photo, so possible camera shake except some of the affected photos have been shot wide angle at 1/250 sec so no chance of camera shake. It's mostly when shooting vertically it seems but not exclusively, I'm beginning to suspect the IS is not only not "ISing" when this occurs but actually causing the issue by blurring the photo rather than preventing it.
Has anyone else experienced this?
My next thing is to just turn IS off and see if the problem ceases. I never had this with the E3.

Paul

jonsey
30th January 2011, 06:31 AM
Paul,
im getting this with my E30, i still dont get those pin sharp pics that i should, i saw some shots that stevenp3 posted yesterday and they run rings round mine, same set up...E30 + 50-200... iv tried everything..its even been to oly for repair and `calibrated`.

jeff

David Morison
30th January 2011, 07:19 AM
I certainly have had problems with focus on my E5 + 300mm. It is when trying to photograph small birds. Ocasionally it just won't focus on the bird even though the focus confirm lights and beeps. I could understand when it is a small bird in a thick hedge but when it is in the open it doesn't make sense. I can even see the lack of focus through the viewfinder. Centre weighted, spot or small spot all have shown this problem. I have never had any of these problems with my E30 AND 300mm or with the E5 and any other lens. Most of the time it works OK but it is with the bird I may only get one shot at that annoys. Most times it happens is with hand held or monopod, so IS1 is used, but maybe this is the problem.

David

Barr1e
30th January 2011, 08:38 AM
I certainly have had problems with focus on my E5 + 300mm. It is when trying to photograph small birds. Ocasionally it just won't focus on the bird even though the focus confirm lights and beeps. I could understand when it is a small bird in a thick hedge but when it is in the open it doesn't make sense. I can even see the lack of focus through the viewfinder. Centre weighted, spot or small spot all have shown this problem. I have never had any of these problems with my E30 AND 300mm or with the E5 and any other lens. Most of the time it works OK but it is with the bird I may only get one shot at that annoys. Most times it happens is with hand held or monopod, so IS1 is used, but maybe this is the problem.

David

Pleased I looked in before going out.

I am suffering in a similar way and will alter the IS to IS3 setting today to see if it improves.
The four shots I posted here in my thread Bbgrr were from a batch of over 150 taken - of those perhaps 40+ were as described.
An email suggesting a tweak to Olympus might solve the problem.

Regards. Barr1e

Dogcow
30th January 2011, 08:38 AM
Yes Paul, I have the same experience on my E-5.

It occurred with me in combination with my 12-60 lens, the E-5 would not focus properly and I got some unsharp pictures. Switching the camera off and on did not help but somehow it magically disappeared again.

I have no idea what triggers it. It could be the IS but it could also be the ambient temperature, I am not sure.

I do hope that there will be a firmware update soon that corrects this problem. It annoys me heavily.

Shaw
30th January 2011, 08:57 AM
I went out with my new E-5 for the first time yesterday, and was occasionally getting the same problem as David Morison - focus confirm light and bleep, but way off focus and will stick in that position until I focus on another object, then back to the original.

David Morison
30th January 2011, 09:37 AM
Ambient temperature could be a common factor for me. Most of my shots with the E30 have been at reasonable temperature but nearly all my E5 shots have been at freezing or below. I am going out this morning, around freezing, and will try out the E30 to see if the same thing happens. I'll let you know.

David

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 10:35 AM
Here's an example taken yesterday to demonstrate.

This is a crop of the photo below, see how nothing is sharp, I don't think it's a focus issue as it's like this right through the photo and if the lens was misfocussing then something somewhere in the shot would be sharp, but nothing is and it's all blurred by the same degree. The shot was taken at 1/60 @ 14mm focal length with IS on so camera shake shouldn't have been as issue. It was very cold too. I'm suspecting the IS is causing this.

These are unprocessed RAW shots.

Paul

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5400767092_f491193813_b.jpg

Here's the complete scene.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5400166291_62f28d0254_z.jpg

Zuiko
30th January 2011, 11:13 AM
Guys, this is a new camera and there may well be a glitch if so many of you are experiencing it. I suggest you all contact Olympus as a group, referencing this thread. They need to know, might be a firmware update needed, and it's in their interests as well as yours. It certainly needs to be reported and investigated.

Besides, I need this glitch to be sorted before I can afford one! :D

Wally
30th January 2011, 11:54 AM
^ Like wot 'e said. Just wondering... as one post hinted at using a mono-pod? I'm sure I've read somewhere, that when on tri-pod etc., to switch IS to OFF and, if the situation allows, to use the timer delay. Leaving IS on can cause problems such as those described.

Apologies is teaching my granny to suck eggs.

David Morison
30th January 2011, 12:39 PM
Yes it's important to switch IS off when using a tripod but a monopod is different as there is still quite a lot of movement. Anyhow my problems have occured when handheld as well and haven't occured with the E30 on a monopod.

David

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 01:32 PM
OK I went out today and took loads of identical hand held shots with IS on and IS off and the conclusion is pretty substantial, my camera tends to blur portrait orientated shots with IS on and is fine with it off. It doesn't occur everytime but fairly often.
Here's one example below.

This shot IS off..

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5213/5400470793_62e3935c96_b.jpg

This one IS on... Yes it looks misfocussed but it's not, this is a problem with IS in portrait orientation.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5013/5401070758_6b1fb62c54_b.jpg

peak4
30th January 2011, 01:38 PM
Paul, why not have a word with Oly on Monday & offer to post them a CD/DVD of good and duff images.
I'm sure they will be able to get more out of the exif that we ever could.
That way, at lest you will still have the camera whilst they are having a ponder.

yorky
30th January 2011, 01:49 PM
I noticed this happens occasionally as well, never quite out of focus but not spot on at times. Yesterday I was using the 35mm macro, in the end I started manually focusing which was o.k but it doesn't seem to be a consistant fault.

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 02:01 PM
It's not a focus issue, the camera and lenses focus fine, especially now I've calibrated any lenses I suspected to be OOF, it's something to do with the Image Stabilisation predominately when shooting with the camera in portrait orientation, with it off the images are sharp and clear, with it on they have a degree of blur which seems to vary from barely perceptible to rendering an image unusable.
I'll just shoot with IS off for the time being, I'm just glad I've finally found out why my images were sometimes soft, it was very frustrating.

Paul

Makonde
30th January 2011, 02:04 PM
I haven't noticed this, for there a quite a few circumstances in which one can get blurry shots (I get them too) but if it is all the way through an image field it is usually camera shake. So by extension, the IS might have something to do with it.

It's my understanding that the IS (which certainly seems to be more powerful on the E-5 than it is on my old E-520) is calibrated each time you switch the power off, when the camera vibrates. I seem to recall reading - possibly in the manual but I haven't referred to it for this post - that the camera should be held vertically i.e. normal position when this is done. I am now wondering whether if you hold the camera vertically in the portrait position while powering off, the recalibration might be different (and solve your problem). Inconvenient though...

With my E520 I did some sample shots with and without IS on a tripod, using the 35mm which is very sharp, and frankly there was little difference in quality. I recently asked Ian if he would do some comparative IS/non IS tripod shots with the E5 and the 35-100

Wally
30th January 2011, 02:14 PM
Try using the other of the two IS settings? One provides for horizontal stabilisation or panning mode, the other I presume to be for the vertical side of the equation? If IS is set on the wrong one then it may make things more pronounced. Easily over-looked... and again, apologies for teaching my granny to suck eggs.

Greytop
30th January 2011, 05:12 PM
It's not a focus issue, the camera and lenses focus fine, especially now I've calibrated any lenses I suspected to be OOF, it's something to do with the Image Stabilisation predominately when shooting with the camera in portrait orientation, with it off the images are sharp and clear, with it on they have a degree of blur which seems to vary from barely perceptible to rendering an image unusable.
I'll just shoot with IS off for the time being, I'm just glad I've finally found out why my images were sometimes soft, it was very frustrating.

Paul

I can't say I have noticed this with mine but just to be sure I will give it a quick test tomorrow (work permitting).

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 05:15 PM
To quote Neddog from another forum....

"Whether in portrait orientation or landscape orientation, you should be on IS.1 for hand-held shots with no intentional movement (panning), and free of any support (monopod, tripod, etc).

IS.2 is for panning sideways in landscape orientation, and IS.3 is for panning sideways in portrait orientation. On a tripod IS should be in OFF, and with a monopod it should be OFF or IS.3 (in landscape orientation)."

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 05:24 PM
This also explains why I struggled to calibrate the focus of my lenses, especially the 14-35, I couldn't understand why I couldn't get consistent focus and spent days finding the optimum setting :( It wasn't necessarily the focus that was out.

Paul

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 05:28 PM
To see it clearly view images at 100%, you don't really need to do a test, just look at images you have already taken with the E5, it's very obvious, if they look sharp and clean then you don't have the issue. Mine is worst in portrait orientation and looking back at the shots I've taken this way most of them exhibit it to varying degrees.

Paul

photo_owl
30th January 2011, 05:38 PM
I am not going to pretend I know what is going on here - but the normal operation of IS on such a shot taken hand held should not be degraded by IS - any IS setting!

Whilst IS can degrade a static shot the level of degredation is more akin to shooting at F16 than an OOF image. I've never had any visible degredation unless shooting with a remote trigger - I'm obviously clumsy with the shutter button!

OTOH you can get all sorts (of highly visible/obvious) issues using the wrong setting when panning - but that's a completely different matter.

If IS is causing this then there is a fault somewhere.

Barr1e
30th January 2011, 06:13 PM
Guys, this is a new camera and there may well be a glitch if so many of you are experiencing it. I suggest you all contact Olympus as a group, referencing this thread. They need to know, might be a firmware update needed, and it's in their interests as well as yours. It certainly needs to be reported and investigated.

Besides, I need this glitch to be sorted before I can afford one! :D



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Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 06:26 PM
I have no focus issues with the E5, it focuses fine with all my lenses even the 90-250 photographing birds. When using long lenses a high shutter speed is imperative when photographing birds to avoid subject movement in which case motion blur is no longer an issue either as the shutter speed is high enough, so it's not required to turn IS on.

Paul

Greytop
30th January 2011, 08:01 PM
You may have something here Paul. I've just looked back through quite a few images taken on different days and in different conditions and occasionally I do come across a shot at a shutter speed and focal length that you would have expected to be sharp.
Now this could well have been operator error ;) but I'm doubtful... the other point is that of these 'blurred' (at the 100% level) images mostly are orientated as a portrait.

I think I will try a little experimentation tomorrow (if I get time).

Kiwi Paul
30th January 2011, 10:19 PM
Yeah I'm wondering if the IS isn't detecting the camera has been tilted to portrait orientation and is applying IS corrections as if it was still in landscape orientation.

Paul

David Morison
30th January 2011, 11:21 PM
This is all very well but how does it explain the fact that I get AF confirm light and beep when the subject is obviously OOF even through the viewfinder? It has happened with and without monopod and never happens with my E30.

David

RogerMac
31st January 2011, 01:50 AM
I had a fairly similar problem a while ago when using my 12-60 on the E510. My problem was completely cured by a quick clean of the lens contacts on the camera body.

I do not know if that would work on yours but it might be worth a try

Roger

photo_owl
31st January 2011, 08:08 AM
Yeah I'm wondering if the IS isn't detecting the camera has been tilted to portrait orientation and is applying IS corrections as if it was still in landscape orientation.

Paul

In IS1 this shouldn't matter Paul, only if you are panning and stabilizing in one plane only.

Kiwi Paul
31st January 2011, 09:05 AM
You have a focus issue I have an issue with IS.

Paul

David Morison
1st February 2011, 11:48 PM
Having had problems with trying to achieve focus on occasions with my E5 and 300mm f2.8 (as I have mentioned before) when photgraphing mainly smaller birds, today (very sunny and bright) I used MF only with IS1 and all is fine. This seems to be a problem with the E5 firmware as it has never happened with my E30 and the same lens. It is almost as if the spot (small) AF area is very big and gets confused with everything else around. After this I am going back to the E30 with the 300mm and use the E5 with shorter zooms which give no problems. I hope that something is sorted out soon as there are so many posts on this forum and Four thirds User for it to be just isolated operator error problems. When I have time I will do a direct comparison with both cameras under identical conditions and send the results to Olympus.

David

Kiwi Paul
2nd February 2011, 09:00 AM
My experiences with using the small focus spot were the opposite of yours. All the pics taken in my high ISO bird post were taken using the small AF area and I achieved pretty much 100% focus accuracy (using the 90-250). Using the larger AF area the previous day I had a few missed focused shots. With the 90-250 the E5 does focus better than the E3 (well more reliably) but with other lenses I can't say I've noticed any difference.

Paul

Kiwi Paul
2nd February 2011, 10:16 AM
I sent Olympus some sample pictures and they have come back saying the camera appears to be faulty and to send it to them for a warranty repair.

Paul

peak4
2nd February 2011, 07:36 PM
Paul, as an E-5 user, you really can't have had it that long. I would have thought that your supplier should be exchanging it for a brand new one if you bought it from a "Normal" shop, rather than going through a warranty repair process with Olympus direct.
I can see the advantage with the latter though, as presumably it will be repaired and fully checked out by someone actually looking for problems, rather than someone on a production line looking for it to pass a QA check.

Greytop
2nd February 2011, 07:59 PM
I sent Olympus some sample pictures and they have come back saying the camera appears to be faulty and to send it to them for a warranty repair.

Paul

I looked through quite a few images the other day and found that there is a greater degree of softness to some portrait shots than landscape.
Having said that I think that the amount that are miss queued with the IS (if that is the problem) are quite small relative to good sharp shots, however there are certainly a few there.

I wonder whether it's a mirror slap issue in portrait orientation, where a slower shutter speed is more likely to show the problem? The ones that appear to have been affected for me tend to be around the 1/40 to 1/80 second.
I think I will keep a close eye on how it continues to perform, if begins to be more of an issue I will contact Oly as you did.

Kiwi Paul
2nd February 2011, 08:04 PM
Hah, I've bought gear from "normal" shops before, a Sony Camcorder and a Canon point and shoot, both broke not long after buying them, they were repaired under warranty and took weeks to be fixed, the Canon had to go back again to fix what wasn't broke which took more time.
I bought my E3 from Amazon which had to go back to fix the viewfinder display when it failed, under warranty, it came back with the VF display fixed but the diopter wouldn't adjust properly so back it went and to staighten the tilted VF which I asked them to fix with the viewfinder display. It eventually came back completely fixed.

So I'd rather save a few hundred quid and buy from Kerso and just take my chances. But as you can imagine I'm not holding my breath for the camera coming back all fixed and calibrated by a "conscientious" competent Oly technician, I just hope it comes back with everything that was working still working and the IS fixed, we'll see.

Paul

Kiwi Paul
2nd February 2011, 08:39 PM
Turn IS off and see if the softness disappears, most of my issues were also around lowish shutter speeds (1/40 - 1/180s) too and seemed to disappear at 1/500.

Paul

Greytop
2nd February 2011, 08:43 PM
Turn IS off and see if the softness disappears, most of my issues were also around lowish shutter speeds (1/40 - 1/180s) too and seemed to disappear at 1/500.

Paul

OK I'll give that a try and see if it makes a difference *chr

Kiwi Paul
11th February 2011, 05:52 PM
I've got it back already, a 1 week turnaround so that was quick.
I've not had a chance to test it yet.
The repair form isn't very confidence inspiring though, a bit hard to interpret what they did but no mention of the IS system been touched.

Paul

iMac
11th February 2011, 07:56 PM
Interested in seeing if whatever they did for a repair has fixed the problem or not, do keep us posted Paul.

Greytop
11th February 2011, 10:51 PM
Yes please keep us posted Paul,
I've not had much time to get out with the camera recently (work pressures) but it looks like a walk is on the offing tomorrow so might be good opportunity to some try shots with and without IS.