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PeterD
8th March 2008, 05:23 PM
Hi all

When we first started getting delivery of our cameras, you may recall a tips section being created.

I think its a good time now since we have gained experience in setting up our cameras for use, that we can share these on a single thread. This should help newbies and some of us oldies:o to get the best from the camera.

If we state the conditions used (e.g. Portrait, Lanscape, Birds etc) and give the optimum settings we use for these.

I have found very useful info across the forums but not anything in one place.

What do you think?

PeterD

Jim
8th March 2008, 05:47 PM
A sound idea Peter.

DerekW
8th March 2008, 07:01 PM
But could the tips be placed in the Wiki in the Knowledge section of the other forum - Four Thirds User web site.

or
we need a "keepers' set of threads that do not sink down into the date based archival sludge of the forum.

PeterD
8th March 2008, 07:37 PM
But could the tips be placed in the Wiki in the Knowledge section of the other forum - Four Thirds User web site.

or
we need a "keepers' set of threads that do not sink down into the date based archival sludge of the forum.

Derek,

That first point sounds like a better idea. What do others think and any ideas as to the format of such a database? Perhaps it needs to describe the general setups and then a section on how these can change for the specific types of photography.

PeterD

DerekW
8th March 2008, 08:27 PM
and to save too much wheel recreation the Wrotniak setting suggestions would be the starter for 10.

http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/e3-sett.html

PeterD
8th March 2008, 11:34 PM
and to save too much wheel recreation the Wrotniak setting suggestions would be the starter for 10.

http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/e3-sett.html

100% agree. That article led me out of the wilderness. I shall have a look at the database you suggested and come back to you. I am afraid WIKI leaves me cold but theres only one way to learn.......

PeterD

emirpprime
8th March 2008, 11:42 PM
There are already some Tips and links to Wrotniak on the Wiki. Perhaps the format needs changing though. See if the navigation makes sense to you http://www.fourthirds-user.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

But input form many users and a database/table of settings certainly sounds good :D

Just let me know if you want help setting it up (I could perhaps generate the table so it is easier for people to fill in the data). There is a table on the Cameras page that can be looked at for examples, and the User Guide linked in the Contribute page is very helpful and fairly clear.

Good call Peter.

All the best,
Phil

PeterD
9th March 2008, 01:03 AM
There are already some Tips and links to Wrotniak on the Wiki. Perhaps the format needs changing though. See if the navigation makes sense to you http://www.fourthirds-user.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

But input form many users and a database/table of settings certainly sounds good :D

Just let me know if you want help setting it up (I could perhaps generate the table so it is easier for people to fill in the data). There is a table on the Cameras page that can be looked at for examples, and the User Guide linked in the Contribute page is very helpful and fairly clear.

Good call Peter.

All the best,
Phil

Phil

I have looked at the wiki and all looks sensible. The article is a very good starting point to get an idea on the best settings but I think we need to open this up and describe the settings that we use and why. The reason for this is that I failed to 'fine tune' my settings until today. I do not think I am alone in this and I received some very useful information today which I shall prove in a shoot tomorrow.

I am a novice so would appreciate any help that you can give. I would like to get the framework off the ground as soon as posible and it would be useful for other forum users to respond and have their say on how any table should be laid out.

My thoughts are that we use the Wrotniak article as a base. Branch out in the types of photography we cover. Settings are described, together with how these are achieved. A comment field is allowed for the originator to state their objectives with these settings. Its OK for more than one solution for each type of photography as we have to ensure personal preferences are allowed. These will be grouped under the relevant photography type. Each entry will have the author identified and perhaps a link such that queries may be sent.

I think the above approach should allow the flexibility required whilst giving new users the opportunity to short cut the learning curve and, perhaps add to the Wiki as they gain experience.

PeterD

PS

Ian/John

Could you please look at how we might provide a permanent link from this site to the wiki.

theMusicMan
9th March 2008, 07:09 AM
Great idea... I'm happy to speak with Ian about setting up another category on here - just need to ensure Ian is happy with this because of the relationship with FTU i.e. it being a sister site. Ian may prefer to set something up on there, but I'll find out.

In the meantime, I'm happy to make any appropriate thread a stickie, just shout.

PeterD
9th March 2008, 07:52 AM
Great idea... I'm happy to speak with Ian about setting up another category on here - just need to ensure Ian is happy with this because of the relationship with FTU i.e. it being a sister site. Ian may prefer to set something up on there, but I'll find out.

In the meantime, I'm happy to make any appropriate thread a stickie, just shout.

Thanks John.

I am sure Ian will see that it will benefit users from both sites and also perhaps form a common approach for all 4/3 cameras. They are all represented on the wiki in any case, in seperate categories.

PeterD

PeterD
9th March 2008, 12:04 PM
Hey everyone,

I make no apology for bringing this thread to the fore again. I am sure that there are many of you (myself very much included) who could benefit from this.

I have had a few replies of genuine support and I thank those but what about the rest of you. If we truly believe in supporting each other and also new members please have your say. I note that the thread has been read (103 views with 9 replies). I know that some of the viewers are visitors but lets show them that we are a great site.

I am not an expert in wiki by any stretch of the imagination but I have had the offer of support. Lets take it up and move forward. Without your comments on this we can not be sure we will produce what you need.

Jim, Derek (DerekW), Phil (emirpprime) and John (theMusicMan) thanks for your support.

PeterD

PeterD
9th March 2008, 12:08 PM
John

I should have asked, could you make this a sticky thread for the time being? This will avoid me having to bring it forward each time it time expires.

Thanks

PeterD

Invicta
9th March 2008, 03:07 PM
The Olympus Digital School web site is a handy guide to Oly E-series and other Oly digital cameras. Plus it has tutorials on general photography concepts.

http://olympusdigitalschool.com/index.html

Alas, I wish they would hurry up and add some E-3 classess.

emirpprime
9th March 2008, 03:40 PM
It will probably be tomorrow before I can do it, but shall we start hammering out the (at least initial) layout?

If we are presuming we start with Wrotniak settings. Do you think perhaps a simple table of Description/Purpose and Changes? Or something more complex with Description, AF, ISO, Metering... Other etc? What do you think are the key settings likely to be changed?

This promises to be a really useful page for E-system users :)

I will also add the Olympus Digital School links - Thanks Invicta.

All the best,
Phil

DerekW
9th March 2008, 04:33 PM
Phil

I think we should define the method of updating the Wiki

- is it to be a free for all with knowledgeable ones doing fine tuning of the data periodically
or
is a single address/thread to be used for all users to supply the tips/gobbets of knowledge for the Wiki gurus to add the data to the Wiki in an ordered manner

The first method gives a ragged Wiki and then it is periodically cleaned up.

The second method gives someone a regular a workload (the Wiki gurus) to update the Wiki.

PeterD
9th March 2008, 04:47 PM
It will probably be tomorrow before I can do it, but shall we start hammering out the (at least initial) layout?

If we are presuming we start with Wrotniak settings. Do you think perhaps a simple table of Description/Purpose and Changes? Or something more complex with Description, AF, ISO, Metering... Other etc? What do you think are the key settings likely to be changed?

This promises to be a really useful page for E-system users :)

I will also add the Olympus Digital School links - Thanks Invicta.

All the best,
Phil

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your reply and offer to create the prototype table.

My thoughts are that we should try and keep it flexible. I was surprised yesterday how AF was applied to the function button for instance. I could not find a reference in the manual as to how this could be achieved and so had to get clarification. We should bear this in mind when setting up
the table.

Having said that, I think the best approach would be to take a simple table as you first describe. Sections for Portrait, Landscape, Macro etc should be created in the database. In each section, the name of the author, Purpose of Settings (Or Introduction), List of essential settings to achieve obective, against each setting a description of how this is achieved if its not obvious. A feedback link to the author for any queries (this will allow ongoing development if necessary).

I have looked at the tutorials and they are also very useful in their descriptions but the missing info is that we are trying to create above.

What do you think Phil? I probably missed something obvious but I had hoped more people would have made suggestions. Can we handle this and is it worthwhile?

PeterD

PeterD
9th March 2008, 04:56 PM
Phil

I think we should define the method of updating the Wiki

- is it to be a free for all with knowledgeable ones doing fine tuning of the data periodically
or
is a single address/thread to be used for all users to supply the tips/gobbets of knowledge for the Wiki gurus to add the data to the Wiki in an ordered manner

The first method gives a ragged Wiki and then it is periodically cleaned up.

The second method gives someone a regular a workload (the Wiki gurus) to update the Wiki.

Hi Derek

My first thoughts are that only the original author can change his/her input. That puts a measure of control to the wiki and gives the author confidence and ownership. As far as access is concerned, I think it should be open to all to use.

The tips approach in a thread gets very messy, and difficult for people to find the info they want. We started out this way, you may recall with threads Tip1, 2 3 4 but they are buried amongst so much info they are virtually useless.

PeterD

emirpprime
10th March 2008, 09:50 AM
Good point Derek, and I think you're about right here Peter. While the wiki is open and editable by all, I think there should essentially be a gentlemans agreement that you do not edit others opinions. Factual errors are one thing, although it may still be better to contact them and let them do it, but for User Reviews and User Tips I believe it should only be the author editing them.

For now at least I have a reasonable amount of time on my hands and so have been working on the wiki, and am happy to add content/make changes for people if they'd rather not have to do it themselves. I will also try and keep things uniform. For example by setting this table up, people can then edit it and add their content, but as the table pre-exists hopefully it will keep it looking smart.

As to if we can handle it, I don't see any problem. It may take a while to populate it, and I'm sure it will be adapted over time, but I think it is a great idea we should go ahead with. I will create a draft table and post back a bit later.

All the best,
Phil

PeterD
10th March 2008, 10:08 AM
Good point Derek, and I think you're about right here Peter. While the wiki is open and editable by all, I think there should essentially be a gentlemans agreement that you do not edit others opinions. Factual errors are one thing, although it may still be better to contact them and let them do it, but for User Reviews and User Tips I believe it should only be the author editing them.

For now at least I have a reasonable amount of time on my hands and so have been working on the wiki, and am happy to add content/make changes for people if they'd rather not have to do it themselves. I will also try and keep things uniform. For example by setting this table up, people can then edit it and add their content, but as the table pre-exists hopefully it will keep it looking smart.

As to if we can handle it, I don't see any problem. It may take a while to populate it, and I'm sure it will be adapted over time, but I think it is a great idea we should go ahead with. I will create a draft table and post back a bit later.

All the best,
Phil

Thanks Phil,

I, and I am sure a lot of other members, greatly apreciate your ethusiasm and determination to convert an idea into reality.

PeterD

emirpprime
10th March 2008, 11:03 PM
Ok there is a dummy table up. http://www.fourthirds-user.com/wiki/index.php/Setting_Up_Your_New_Camera Feel free to add to and edit it, or post your contents here and I will. It is ahard to know what column headers etc to ahev without content, so I'm afraid the first couple of submissions will be guinea pigs.
Look forward to seeing some top tips :D
Phil

PeterD
11th March 2008, 12:03 AM
Ok there is a dummy table up. http://www.fourthirds-user.com/wiki/index.php/Setting_Up_Your_New_Camera Feel free to add to and edit it, or post your contents here and I will. It is ahard to know what column headers etc to ahev without content, so I'm afraid the first couple of submissions will be guinea pigs.
Look forward to seeing some top tips :D
Phil

Phil,

Thats looking good. I like the way you have presented it too with the link to the Andrzej Wrotniak article and the copyright preamble before it.

I have clicked the 'edit' label to see how the code looks in respect of the Table.

All we need now is for some brave soul to enter data and see how it goes.

Thanks for what you have done Phil.

PeterD

DerekW
9th April 2008, 04:30 PM
I am at risk of being accused of supplying egg sucking lessons for grans - have you seen the E3 FAQ web site on the US Olympus web site
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_support_faqs.asp?id=1323

Could be a useful reference on the Wiki but I could not see a logical place to place it.

DerekW
3rd September 2008, 11:08 AM
Where has the info on switching between the focus modes gone in the Wiki that I added a few weeks ago and was then further improved - I cannot find it today.

emirpprime
3rd September 2008, 11:27 AM
Just restored it. That section had been edited by someone (who wasn't logged in) and replaced with the words Hello. Probably an accident.
If you were also the person posting on the talk page about help editing there, let me know the specifics here / email me and I can set you on the right road.
Phil

DerekW
4th September 2008, 09:43 AM
Phil

I do not think so - I asked on one page about the missing information that you have now returned.

Looking at the Wiki Tips and Tricks does not show the AF point switching information.. Is the Wiki being rolled back by a restore from a backup copy?

emirpprime
4th September 2008, 12:55 PM
Hi Derek,

Im not quite sure I follow, did I manage to restore the quick AF switching info you were talkng about or not?

The Wiki has a Differences system where itrecords the changes made. It allows you to roll back much ike syste restore in windows, and also to see the specific things changed by each person. To access this function click on Recent Changes in the navigation menu. You can then click DIFF next to an entry to see what it changed.

All the best,
Phil

DerekW
4th September 2008, 03:42 PM
Phil

I am confused -if I look at the Tips and Tricks section all I see is the following sections

* 1 Olympus E3
o 1.1 Shooting
o 1.2 Playback
* 2 Hidden Menu to access camera service menu
* 3 Hidden Functions Menu

with the associated words.

I cannot see the bit about swapping between the different focus zones.

emirpprime
5th September 2008, 09:42 PM
All the AF related content there is is in the Shooting section, the last point. It relates to switching focus points and modes using the command dial.
If that isn't what you mean then I'm afraid I can't help!
If it isn't, do you remember more specifically what the info was? Perhaps we can recreate it.
All the best,
Phil

ps, sorry for the slow replies, i'm away at the mo and have spotty access.

DerekW
5th September 2008, 09:47 PM
I think I must have seen straight thru it - it is all there.

Thanks