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blu-by-u
7th March 2008, 04:54 AM
These were shot in RAW. How can I process them to improve them. Please don't ask me to go back there. I know..the composition is ...well..:eek:

A Fish
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/2315321505_0ef582c60f.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/2315321505_0ef582c60f_b.jpg)

Octopus
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2404/2315318247_847b77c43d.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2404/2315318247_847b77c43d_b.jpg)

Dragon?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2315315143_54013e2d3a.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2315315143_54013e2d3a_b.jpg)

photonutter
7th March 2008, 09:51 AM
The shots look good for exposure and colour, so not much improvement can be done there. I know you've already mentioned the composition, maybe a crop would make for better frames, especially with the second two. The most noticable parts to enhance them would be to darken or remove the foreground snow, quite distacting to the eye, and the sign boards maybe cloned out or cropped from frame, unless you where aiming for a more jounalistic shot.

Jim Ford
7th March 2008, 10:02 AM
I suspect that ice carvings are a _very_ difficult subject to photograph - all sorts of specular highlights and subtle shadings, and only fully appreciated 'in the round'. I'm not sure I'd even attempt to try!

Jim

Graham_of_Rainham
7th March 2008, 03:02 PM
These things have to be one of the hardest things there are to photograph and the shivering cant help either :cool:

What you have is a good set of what judges call record shots, as the "art" is someone elses. I don't always agree with judges and look for the skill and quality of the image in its own right.

As you have RAW files you can really play with the colours (try using Picassa for this it has some real quick and easy effects)

You have already put your hands up to the composition so no more comment there (you know what you have to do...)

As for improvements, These are images you can really try out some radical crops and manipulations with. I'd suggest haveing a really good play with the editing software and go for something abstract (extracts) from the images

Hope this helps

Graham

emirpprime
7th March 2008, 03:19 PM
I think it depends on what you want to achieve? Do you still want them to look like ice sculptures?
Lots of the clutter in the second one is blue, so converting to B&W using onlt the red channel should work well.

Can we download them and have a play? Would you mind. I think it is experimentation that will yield the best results and it is hard to give advice without trying things out.

Also, it must be a real pain trying to get definition in sich clear ice as everythign shows through. Perhaps a case of when the FL-xxR would be useful. One of those on the floor or angled behind shining (roughly) towards the camera I think would have helped?

Phil

Graham_of_Rainham
7th March 2008, 04:44 PM
...One of those on the floor or angled behind shining (roughly) towards the camera...?
Phil

Phil,

Not sure if it's true or just a "Story", but I heard about a user with radio flash that set up with it behind the subject and some yob run up, grabbed it, and ran off...:o

Whatever, it's a warning to us all...

emirpprime
7th March 2008, 09:34 PM
Lol, I can believe it, especially if it was in a street type location. Luckily/sadly I don't have any of the R flashes at the moment so arn't in a position to see whether it is a myth or not ;)

Good warning though. I was shooting a gig in a pub once and came back to my open bag, left for 2 mins while i tried a focal length to the stage, and someone had their hands in it. Luckily someone I knew, but not someone I knew was there! Made me think a bit more seriousl about leaving things unguarded even in what I consider safe locations.
Phil

froeng
8th March 2008, 04:37 PM
Are these shots from Harbin? They look like they have been taken at the local "Ice Festival". The mandchurian winters are bitterly cold so these sculptures should last for a long time...

To improve the pictures, maybe have a try with cropping the actual sculptures very tightly so they just become like abstract patterns. B/W could be interesting, too.

Regards

Frank

PeterD
8th March 2008, 05:47 PM
Its great that you have put these images for comment. As others have said, its a very difficult subject to photograph as the high contrast items are really behind and showing through. Focussing on an object approx the same distance from the face od the ice, then recomposing before shooting would help.

As you will probably have gathered from my comments on a number of other threads I am a total novice wrt PP. I note that someone has asked your permission to copy and try manipulating the images. I think that this would be a good idea as its easier to follow than trying on your own first off.

Good luck and thanks for the posting.

PeterD

OlyPaul
9th March 2008, 10:46 AM
Nice record shots of what must have been a memorable evening.

I have to admit if it had been me I would have gone in for tighter shots and with the last one in particuler a tight frame of the two heads against the night sky would have been quite dramatic.:)

blu-by-u
12th March 2008, 02:31 AM
... a user with radio flash that set up with it behind the subject and some yob run up, grabbed it...

Heard that too but then sadly I do not own any of the new E-systems that use the FL-50R..So wireless and remote flash is out of the question. And so, no worries that someone will walk off with it. :D

Are these shots from Harbin? ....
To improve the pictures, maybe have a try with cropping the actual sculptures very tightly so they just become like abstract patterns. B/W could be interesting, too.

Nice record shots of what must have been a memorable evening.

I have to admit if it had been me I would have gone in for tighter shots and with the last one in particuler a tight frame of the two heads against the night sky would have been quite dramatic.:)

Yes, They are from my trip there in January...Now..why did I not think of abstract patterns and B&W.

A friend of mine loaded one of the Ice scrupture here..http://www.4shared.com/file/38857461/73aac199/P1210268.html

Do feel free to download and have a go in improving it, plus remember to post up the result for us to admire. :D

If you wan any of the other raw shots, let me know. I will upload them.