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jonsey
21st October 2010, 08:15 PM
As the debate rages on about the `warmed over` E3 that is the E5....i (very) nearly opted to change to canon in the form of the 7d, but looking on ebay, im quite suprised on how many are selling their oly gear and changing to Canikon...citing various reasons...i have decided to stay with olympus and buy an E5 subject to reviews...Has any one else been tempted to move away from oly considering their lack of commitment to FT?

Jeff.

Kiwi Paul
21st October 2010, 08:56 PM
Not at all, with all the kit I have I've no reason to move. I'm very happy with my kit, the quality is fine, I love the lenses and for most of the time the E3 and the E520 perform flawlessly giving me fantastic photos. I'm familiar with my kit and if I get an E5 it will be a painless transition. I really don't see for the stuff I do how switching brands would benefit me, infact the opposite may be the case as it's easy to take the quality of the Zuiko glass for granted.

Paul

j.baker
22nd October 2010, 07:26 AM
There are currently two reasons that I am staying with olympus.

1. The Glass.....nuff said (especially the 35-100)
2. The Sigma SD1 is not for sale....and I am still concerned about Sigma's QA.

I will be getting the E5, due to selling two lenses recently. For what the future holds after the E5......only time will tell.

Zuiko
22nd October 2010, 10:20 AM
I would buy an E-5 today if I had the money and there was one in stock. The same would apply even if I was offered a 5DII for the same price or cheaper and even if I was given a full refund on my Zuikos to buy Canon glass instead. Doesn't seem that I'll be going to Canon anytime soon, does it? :D

AlistairJ
22nd October 2010, 10:36 AM
I would certainly buy a 5DmkII if I needed one, perhaps if I was shooting landscapes professionally (this is somewhat unlikely). If this was the case then I may well consider switching entirely over to Canon.

Can't see it happening :)*chr*yes

Yes I would like an E-5 someday.

michaelavis
22nd October 2010, 08:17 PM
It's not hard to be impressed with gear coming out of Canon, the 60D and 7D put a stranglehold around the E-3/E-5, the Nikon D7000 and D300s aren't too shabby and Pentax with their new K-5 and WR lenses seem to be going for it too.

For people getting into a system, it's difficult to see many going Oly, there's too much doubt around and great kit and commitment elsewhere. The PENs yes, but the dSLRs?

That said, having had my E-3 and SWDs for the past 3 years, I don't see other combos any better overall for price/heft/performance. It's mainly down to the glass, but the E-5 is enough for somebody like me to keep with Oly, but I do wonder what I'll be thinking in 2-3 years.

Slightly off topic, but related, having sold my mFT gear (bit of a luxury and will help fund an E-5) I'm in the market for a "serious compact". The Lumix LX-5, Canon S95 and Samsung EX1 rule the roost, I'll probably go for the Canon but I wish Oly were in there, it's a starting point for many enthusiasts, especially young ones, who will be brand loyal as they move up into systems.

theMusicMan
22nd October 2010, 08:30 PM
Having seen some of the recent images from the E5, I think it is fair to say that I won't be moving anywhere. I am really pleased with the look of the IQ from the E5 and I'd even go as far as to suggest the IQ 'looks like' what you get from ff. Of course I appreciate it isn't, but it is a huge improvement over the E3.

I'll be getting one as soon as I can afford it.

Zuiko
22nd October 2010, 09:13 PM
With me, I think it all comes down to Olympus building cameras that naturally suit me. There are loads of cameras that do something or other better than my E-3 but as a complete package nothing comes close, and now I can aspire to the E-5. It's always been the same, something almost indefinable about Olympus, from the 35RC through to the OM1, OM2, OM4Ti, E-500, E-510 and now the E-3 and E-PL1, non have ever let me down or failed to please in any way. The only other camera that I've ever connected with like that was my Bronica ETRSi. :)

jonsey
23rd October 2010, 08:02 PM
thanks for the insight people... you have somewhat settled my anxieties i had about olympus...i get on well with my `510 and e30... im sure il like the e5 as much... i just hope it lives up to the hype....:)

jeff

Graham_of_Rainham
23rd October 2010, 11:40 PM
As and when I get my hands on an E-5 to do a try out, if it's as good as the E-PL1, I shall certianly consider getting one.

*chr

ptomsu
20th February 2011, 02:31 PM
Well, let me chime in here ....

I am currently shooting a D700 with all the 2.8 zooms from 14-200. Great stuff, great camera, the Nikkors are wonderful ....

I sold my E3 3 years ago, because I had constant AF issues and also AF accuracy issues, especially with the 1.4/25. And I moved (back) to Nikon, where I am till today and was a happy camper .....

till I tried the E5 with the 2/35-100 and the 12-60. I only can say WOW! The details and the detail sharpness you get from with camera in combination with top OLY glass is stunning! I made many comparisons with the D700 and almost always the E5 wins with detail, color and sharpness - at least up till ISO1600. If I try higher ISO the D700 is arguably better, but wait - if you really look into the images with 100% crop, then you see that the D700 smears or waxes all the finer details and thus also shows much less noise, while the E5 still has details, which of course are highly getting under water by all the noise.

I should mention that I always shoot RAW, using LR3.3 or C1Pro 6.1 as my RAW converters!

So in general I would call the E5 pretty much on par with the D700, especially in combination with the 2/14-35 and 2/35-100, where you can get same sensitivity as a D700 in combination with the 2.8 zooms. But still more detail up till ISO800 or even 1600. Today I tried a few D700 shots all below ISO 1000 and meanwhile I feel that all the results look like behind a soft cover compared to what you get from the E5.

The answer seems to be multifold:

1) much weaker AA filter
2) much improved image processing of the E5
3) better Zuiko lenses, even wide open at F2.0

End of the day I have some hard time to keep my D700 after all of that. I do not know what will come from Nikon next as replacement of the D700. Meanwhile I do no longer care much about higher resolution, but about weaker AA filter and thus improved details. But I have my doubts this will happen as Nikon and Canon and Sony and Pentax and .... they are still all in the MP race.

So for those of you who are in the E system, I only can say stay, buy the E5 and you will be a very happy camper.

David Morison
20th February 2011, 03:21 PM
Well I would have stayed with Olympus even if I still only had my E30 because:

a. I have at least around 9000 invested in lenses etc.
b. What do I want a system for, not a profession or to produce giant poster prints but as a hobby. As a matter of interest I won 1st prize in the Farming Heritage category at a local show with a shot taken on an 8mp Samsung compact.
c. I Like to think digital photography is a means to an end and not an end in itself and I like to imagine a most of the artistic factors are considered before pressing the button.

Anyhow on the matter of noise it is obvious that the E5 can still retain detail even despite high noise at high ISO. This shot was taken at ISO 6400, 1/60th, f5.6, 150mm, handheld at dusk and despite the low res. image still retains excellent detail considering the situation. No noise reduction in or out of camera and no pp. Uncropped:


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/valetta934.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/30948)

Some may think this a waste of effort and that the image is rubbish but I like to explore the boundaries.

David

crimbo
20th February 2011, 04:13 PM
... I would call the E5 pretty much on par with the D700, ...

I cannot speak for the E5 but I was at a shoot the other day during which the other photographer needed to be in the picture so handed me his D700 with some whacking big zoom on it...so I have a 620 with an 11-22 and this massively heavy Nikon...
So yes I will stick with my Oly 620s and mid range glass...
OTOH a Sigma DP with the new sensor would be a very nice additional camera

stevednp3
20th February 2011, 05:36 PM
I have recently acquired an e5 myself and been shooting for the last week or so with it and still everytime I open an image on my computer I have that WOW :eek: feeling, it really does capture amazing details.

Before I bought it I was going to switch to Canon, im so glad I didnt :D

jonsey
20th February 2011, 08:42 PM
it seems everyone is having a differing opinions on the e5, some are citing pin sharp images, while others are having problems getting that last bit of detail from their images..is this a QC issue?.. the same appears to happen to other models in the oly line up..il probably get an e5... but not yet, also it`l be interesting to see where the company goes with the new CEO in place..

jeff.

photo_owl
20th February 2011, 08:57 PM
given the nature of your posting 3 years ago ptomsu, my hat goes off to you for coming back and making this post.

personally I still beleive these things are inherently cyclical, with the odd rabbit coming out of the occasional hat (today's is probably still the Pentax k5 sensor wise) and of course you can always go bigger etc.

I still think Olympus made the right call all those years ago regarding the appropriate digital sensor size to build thier system around - but, even with the E5, there's still plently of scope for the sensor side of things to expand it's capabilities, as well as a few other refinements.

Getting there...

Thanks again for posting.

ptomsu
21st February 2011, 06:31 AM
@ photo_owl

the thing is, that I always believed in the capabilities of the Zuiko glass and the FT concept.

What screwed me 3 years ago (with one of the first E3's on the market) was that it did not support any AF fine adjust, which did not allow me to fine tune my 1.4/25 - a lens I had especially bought because of certain reasons. WHile this lens worked perfectly on my Leica, it did not on the E3 - frontfocus - sorry - Olympus neglected the problem then. Meanwhile I know why, because they could not do anything against it, while the E5 has this AF fine adjust, which allows now for tuning all your lenses in perfectly. So this issue is fortunately history!

I have shot meanwhile a A900 and finally came to a D700 - I could not get friend with the A900 interface and also did not like the colors, although this is a reason why many people buy this camera - for me it was not. Plus I could not become friend with all that Sony made Zeiss lenses, not handling wise and also not IQ wise. My feeling is that the pro grade Nikkor zooms are better with all respects.

I guess the main difference between the E5 and all the other DSLRs is the weak AA filter in the E5. Which allows to gain much more detail even from lower res sensors as compared to a K5 (which I also tried and sent back because of AF issues - well reported and confirmed by many others by the way) or D7000 or D3X or A900. And I do no longer care for highest resolution in a DSLR as I own meanwhile a Hasselblad H3D39 which I take for serious landscape and also portrait work and this thing really rocks and it will take another 5-10 years till any DSLR can reach this quality, if it ever can be reached with a DSLR size sensor.

SO hence the new interest for the E5. It delivers in most of the areas which I feel are important for my everyday photography. And the Zuiko lenses do anyway, I knew that all the time.

My big question mark is - like for many others - what will be the future of the E system? Now that Olympus is so successful with M43 and putting many resources into the M43 development? And also what will be the next sensors used for the E system, hopefully not Panasonic, as I see these sensors be really less good and evolved compared to Sony sensors for example. Think about what an E5 could do with just a sensor of the K5 type - would result in maybe 14MP because of the slightly smaller sensor size compared to APSC but in combination with the extremely good low light capabilities of this sensor and a very weak AA filter and the Zuiko lenses you could then get high detail and high res images with even better dynamic range up to ISO 12800 or even higher. Actually then I would for sure not need more :)

But coming back to the E5, as it is today I could very well live with it as it is already!

photo_owl
21st February 2011, 09:47 AM
................... Think about what an E5 could do with just a sensor of the K5 type - would result in maybe 14MP because of the slightly smaller sensor size compared to APSC but in combination with the extremely good low light capabilities of this sensor and a very weak AA filter and the Zuiko lenses you could then get high detail and high res images with even better dynamic range up to ISO 12800 or even higher. Actually then I would for sure not need more :)

But coming back to the E5, as it is today I could very well live with it as it is already!

I think we agree.

Whilst the K5 illustrates current sensor development there is clearly scope for more. I'm not worried who makes it - the only question for me is will Olympus continue to produce 43 bodies as such sensor development continues? The blindingly obvious conclusion has to be yes, and the m43 'success' should actually increase the speed of such development.

At some point this will result in 18mp noise free pin sharp ISO 256,000 and the optical resolution will become the issue - when that happens I may have another question *yes but until then I'm really not too concerned about the pace of development.

*chr

ptomsu
22nd February 2011, 01:18 PM
I think we agree.

Whilst the K5 illustrates current sensor development there is clearly scope for more. I'm not worried who makes it - the only question for me is will Olympus continue to produce 43 bodies as such sensor development continues? The blindingly obvious conclusion has to be yes, and the m43 'success' should actually increase the speed of such development.

At some point this will result in 18mp noise free pin sharp ISO 256,000 and the optical resolution will become the issue - when that happens I may have another question *yes but until then I'm really not too concerned about the pace of development.

*chr

Nevertheless I meanwhile trust the capabilities of the E5 so much, that I returned my D700 and lenses today and wait for the E5 plus 14-35 and 35-100 :)

Peter

stevednp3
22nd February 2011, 01:51 PM
Nevertheless I meanwhile trust the capabilities of the E5 so much, that I returned my D700 and lenses today and wait for the E5 plus 14-35 and 35-100 :)

Peter

You wont be disappointed Peter ;)